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that's exactly why I put down leech seed and HP fire.
and 1.E,breludicolo has a good point. while ice offense is good. defense it's pure ****.
I was also considering two other pokemon for this (lanturn and garbador) who had better typing. XD
 
As much as I wish this wasn't so, since Ice is my favorite type, Ice is terrible because it has only a resistance to itself an a plethora of common weaknesses. Sure, STAB Ice Beam is great, but most people would like to survive to fire off another attack.
 
1. e4 d6 said:
Are you saying that ice is a bad type? Thats just silly, have you ever heard of Weavile, Mamoswine, Cloyster, or Lapras? And becuase its an ice type is can get a STAB ice beam, something a pure water type can't say.
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You misunderstand. Ice is a shitty DEFENSIVE type, being one of the worst in the game. Being weak to 5 types, and only resisting 1.

Dewgong's mix with water takes away its weakness to fire and steel, and DOES give it a resistance to water, but gains a weakness to electric and grass.

So as a defensive set, any pokemon that is part ice is also part fail.


Believe me, I love Dewgong... but he just isn't going to be walling much. Nor is any ice type for that matter.
 
Ok I see that, its not terrible though, the normal type has one immunity and one weakness, but it has some of the best walls in the game, if it had better stats it could be a decent wall.
 
LapBreath(Lead?)

Species: Lapras

Nature: Bold/Modest

EVS:
252, Sp. ATK
252, HP
4, Def

Item: Quick Claw

Moves:
~-Surf
~-Frost Breath
~-Thunderbolt
~-Roar

Explanation:
Lapras' decent defences, and attacking stats, combined with its incredible HP make it a great choice for a lead. The hax of quick claw allows Lapras to be able to roar out a stronger lead, before they can do much. With a good Special Attack, you can take out those fire types with ease. Thunderbolt lets you take care of common revenge killers(DIE, SCIZOR, DIE!!!), if you're lucky with a quick claw. On top of that, the STAB of Frost Breath, plus the Sp. Atk. upgrades(especially if you have Modest) make it a tough wall. Surf, for those pesky fire Pokemon, such as Magmortar.

It's weakness namely comes with a Magnezone. With both steel and electric holding up the thing, it'll force this variant of Lapras to switch out... or make them switch out. Volcarona is the same deal due to its fire/bug typing, yet it can't pose too much of a threat, thanks to Roar.

While a LapBreath lead is commonly useful, it may be wiser to choose a different lead. Remember Lapras' weakness to stealth rock if you chose to have a LapBreath that's not in the lead.

While it's a useful battle partner, and can take down a vast majority of leads and revenge killers, you'll obviously need some other Pokemon. Especially with LapBreath's inability to set-up.
 
How about a different dewgong set?

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PerishGong @Grip Claw
Hydration
252 HP/200 DEF/52 SP.DEF

-Whirlpool
-Perish Song
-Protect
-Rest/Sub

Haven't tested this out yet, just theorymon, but it could work I guess
 
Rackham said:
How about a different dewgong set?

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PerishGong @Grip Claw
Hydration
252 HP/200 DEF/52 SP.DEF

-Whirlpool
-Perish Song
-Protect
-Rest/Sub

Haven't tested this out yet, just theorymon, but it could work I guess
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I don't know about this Dewgong set. Any steel type could rip right through it, making it vulnerable to revenge killers. Also, the idea of using an ice type as a non-lead is difficult to make end well, thanks to the ever-so-broken Stealth Rock, making players unable to use ice, flying, ect.
 
Rackham said:
How about a different dewgong set?

Spr_5b_087.png

PerishGong @Grip Claw
Hydration
252 HP/200 DEF/52 SP.DEF

-Whirlpool
-Perish Song
-Protect
-Rest/Sub

Haven't tested this out yet, just theorymon, but it could work I guess
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Stop stealing set from Jimmy people!

JK, it does work, he used it in NU and it worked fine. You just need to be able to take a few hits.
 
LaprasKing said:
LapBreath(Lead?)

Species: Lapras

Nature: Bold/Modest

EVS:
252, Sp. ATK
252, HP
4, Def

Item: Quick Claw

Moves:
Surf
Frost Breath
Thunderbolt
Roar

Explanation:
Lapras' decent defences, and attacking stats, combined with its incredible HP make it a great choice for a lead. The hax of quick claw allows Lapras to be able to roar out a stronger lead, before they can do much. With a good Special Attack, you can take out those fire types with ease. Thunderbolt lets you take care of common revenge killers(DIE, SCIZOR, DIE!!!), if you're lucky with a quick claw. On top of that, the STAB of Frost Breath, plus the Sp. Atk. upgrades(especially if you have Modest) make it a tough wall. Surf, for those pesky fire Pokemon, such as Magmortar.

It's weakness namely comes with a Magnezone. With both steel and electric holding up the thing, it'll force this variant of Lapras to switch out... or make them switch out. Volcarona is the same deal due to its fire/bug typing, yet it can't pose too much of a threat, thanks to Roar.

While a LapBreath lead is commonly useful, it may be wiser to choose a different lead. Remember Lapras' weakness to stealth rock if you chose to have a LapBreath that's not in the lead.

While it's a useful battle partner, and can take down a vast majority of leads and revenge killers, you'll obviously need some other Pokemon. Especially with LapBreath's inability to set-up.
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Quick Claw only ignores speed, not priority bracket. That is, Quick Claw Roar can only beat out other Roar/Whirlwind users, and you'll still go after them if they use a normal move.

Likewise, Scizor will always hit first with priority, and I don't think Thunderbolt KOs it anyway.

Also, Ice Breath + Crit does less damage than just a normal Ice Beam.
 
XienZo said:
Quick Claw only ignores speed, not priority bracket. That is, Quick Claw Roar can only beat out other Roar/Whirlwind users, and you'll still go after them if they use a normal move.

Likewise, Scizor will always hit first with priority, and I don't think Thunderbolt KOs it anyway.

Also, Ice Breath + Crit does less damage than just a normal Ice Beam.
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I'm able to actually contemplate most of your idea, EXCEPT the part about Frost Breath doing less than an Ice Beam. Critical hits don't change the base power of the initial move, but rather the damage done, which is far more effective, as that will also add the beefed-up Sp. Atk. to the equation.
You must also think about the fact that Scizor is overpowered either way, but the thunderbolt is in the event that it is a pursuit user, which is quite common.
 
LaprasKing said:
I'm able to actually contemplate most of your idea, EXCEPT the part about Frost Breath doing less than an Ice Beam. Critical hits don't change the base power of the initial move, but rather the damage done, which is far more effective.
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The thing is, doubling the base power roughly doubles the damage as well. You can check for yourself if you want.


You must also think about the fact that Scizor is overpowered either way, but the thunderbolt is in the event that it is a pursuit user, which is quite common.
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Shouldn't you just go with Surf in that case, since it'll do more damage than thunderbolt? Also, wouldn't Scizor be much more like to just Bullet Punch since Pursuit won't do much either way?
 
XienZo said:
Shouldn't you just go with Surf in that case, since it'll do more damage than thunderbolt? Also, wouldn't Scizor be much more like to just Bullet Punch since Pursuit won't do much either way?
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Often times, they use pursuit Scizor, because they expect the foe to switch out. However, they may still use bullet punch, due to the STAB of the initial move, however, a pursuing-bullet punching Scizor is likely, their overpowered anyways. On top of that, Pursuit always goes before a switch out, so the Scizor may predict a swich, due to fear of bullet punch.

Besides, like all Pokemon in the world of competitive battle, LapBreath isn't to be counterless, yet it's meant to seal up as many cracks as possible, otherwise the boat will just sink
 
LaprasKing said:
Often times, they use pursuit Scizor, because they expect the foe to switch out. However, they may still use bullet punch, due to the STAB of the initial move, however, a pursuing-bullet punching Scizor is likely, their overpowered anyways. On top of that, Pursuit always goes before a switch out, so the Scizor may predict a swich, due to fear of bullet punch.

Besides, like all Pokemon in the world of competitive battle, LapBreath isn't to be counterless, yet it's meant to seal up as many cracks as possible, otherwise the boat will just sink
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Yeah, but I still don't get why you'd use STAB-less Thunderbolt over STAB Surf against a Scizor in any situation.
 
XienZo said:
Yeah, but I still don't get why you'd use STAB-less Thunderbolt over STAB Surf against a Scizor in any situation.
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Surprisingly, you're right. I checked Scizor on Serebii, and found surf to, like water, be only regularly effective. My mistake, however it is still a useful move against common walls. IE, Gyarados. As well as steel types. IE, Skarmory.
 
Para-flinch-FUSION Watchog

Watchog @Leftovers
Impish nature
Evs: 150 HP 175 Defense 185 Sp. Defense
Ability: Keen eye
-ThunderWave
-Confuse Ray
-Super Fang
-Hyper Fang

This set makes Watchog pretty bulky. Bulky enough for it to take a hit, and then set up Thunder Wave, and then immediately confuse ray to give the target a measly 25 % chance of attacking. You can then use super-fang to bring their HP down and then Hyper-fang to make them flinch. A little more attack Evs would help this guy though.
 
LaprasKing said:
Surprisingly, you're right. I checked Scizor on Serebii, and found surf to, like water, be only regularly effective. My mistake, however it is still a useful move against common walls. IE, Gyarados. As well as steel types. IE, Skarmory.
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Also, what does it actually do? Like, it can't set up anything, really, so what's to stop your opponent's lead from leisurely setting up support?
 
XienZo said:
Also, what does it actually do? Like, it can't set up anything, really, so what's to stop your opponent's lead from leisurely setting up support?
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Roar. They start setting up, you roar them away. While it can't set up on its own, imagine the usefulness of a baton passer with it, assuming you can stop a stealth rocker.
 
What's up with all of the water/ice types?

Lapras is bad unless it's DD Rest. Its nice coverage is useless with shitty offensive stats. The Ice typing doesn't help.

Dewgong is, ironically, outclassed by Lapras, who can do the same set with the far more reliable block. TBH though, Perish Trapping is a poor strategy in general since it usually involves frail pokemon (which forces use of Sub and kills any chances of killing two pokes) or slow, bulky ones (which just always seem to have no way to recover and don't take hits well enough... pity that Block + Hydration Lapras is illegal :/)

LaprasKing said:
Roar. They start setting up, you roar them away. While it can't set up on its own, imagine the usefulness of a baton passer with it, assuming you can stop a stealth rocker.
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Wait... what

First, roar goes last, so how does lapras prevent hazards? Second... uh I'm still trying to understand the second sentence lol

Master Morty said:
Para-flinch-FUSION Watchog

Watchog @Leftovers
Impish nature
Evs: 150 HP 175 Defense 185 Sp. Defense
Ability: Keen eye
-ThunderWave
-Confuse Ray
-Super Fang
-Hyper Fang

This set makes Watchog pretty bulky. Bulky enough for it to take a hit, and then set up Thunder Wave, and then immediately confuse ray to give the target a measly 25 % chance of attacking. You can then use super-fang to bring their HP down and then Hyper-fang to make them flinch. A little more attack Evs would help this guy though.
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Why would you want to use Watchog? For such a passive role, it does not have enough bulk. Also, mew does the same set better.
 
Breludicolo said:
Wait... what

First, roar goes last, so how does lapras prevent hazards? Second... uh I'm still trying to understand the second sentence lol
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Basically, just roar at a foe that's setting up. The horrendously bad speed that Lapras has is a hindrance. That's why I chose quick claw.

And what I'm saying is, a baton-passer switching into LapBreath can take on a lot, even if LapBreath can't set up on its own.

All the water/ice types about now are coming up, namely because of the disappearance of Stealth Rock.
 
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