Oh god this thing. I faced it once and it totally KO'd my Vaporeon out of the blue, and then I was kind of screwed because my team really depends on its wish passing. Yeah it's definitely an effective set, great lure for shit that normally has no trouble with Scizor. Definitely can give my vouche for this one.
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iirc Flying Gem Technician is actually glitched, as PO factors in the boosts in the wrong order so Technician activates before the Gem or something. Basically Scizor's Acrobatics is 1.5x more powerful than it should be because technician activates when it shouldn't.
Don't take this as fact, but I remember being told this when Acrobatics Scizor was doing crazy amounts of damage during VGC testing on SkarmBliss server. I could be completely wrong, or it could just be fixed by now; if someone could confirm either way then that would be cool.
Heatran (F) @ Shed Shell
Trait: Flash Fire
EVs: 248 HP / 100 SDef / 160 Spd
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Lava Plume / Flamethrower
- Roar
This is a set I've been using a bit recently and it works far better than I expected. Obviously this isn't really anything new, as RestTalk Heatran was reasonably common in DPP. The main difference is Shed Shell, which means Heatran can become almost a full-stop to a lot of Drought teams that rely on Dugtrio, Sleep Powder or residual damage to beat standard SDef Heatran. I've been using stuff like Aromatherapy Roserade / Celebi and Heal Bell Blissey alongside this to remove Sleep since we all know how unreliable Rest can be with the new BW Sleep mechanics. Forretress also works really well with it to remove hazards which can be annoying if Heatran is already asleep and trying to switch-in, as well as having okay defensive synergy. Lava Plume has the burn chance which can be nice for stuff like Gyarados trying to switch-in, but iirc Flamethrower gets the KO on BU Breloom after Stealth Rock whereas Lava Plume doesn't.
Don't take this as fact, but I remember being told this when Acrobatics Scizor was doing crazy amounts of damage during VGC testing on SkarmBliss server. I could be completely wrong, or it could just be fixed by now; if someone could confirm either way then that would be cool.
Heatran (F) @ Shed Shell
Trait: Flash Fire
EVs: 248 HP / 100 SDef / 160 Spd
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Lava Plume / Flamethrower
- Roar
This is a set I've been using a bit recently and it works far better than I expected. Obviously this isn't really anything new, as RestTalk Heatran was reasonably common in DPP. The main difference is Shed Shell, which means Heatran can become almost a full-stop to a lot of Drought teams that rely on Dugtrio, Sleep Powder or residual damage to beat standard SDef Heatran. I've been using stuff like Aromatherapy Roserade / Celebi and Heal Bell Blissey alongside this to remove Sleep since we all know how unreliable Rest can be with the new BW Sleep mechanics. Forretress also works really well with it to remove hazards which can be annoying if Heatran is already asleep and trying to switch-in, as well as having okay defensive synergy. Lava Plume has the burn chance which can be nice for stuff like Gyarados trying to switch-in, but iirc Flamethrower gets the KO on BU Breloom after Stealth Rock whereas Lava Plume doesn't.
I guess its there, just watch at the ev spread and its item. BULK!
This is negated by Leftovers to an extent (longevity for Sandstorm and such) and raw Power (Everybody hates Machamp and its Dynamicpunch), so a bulky Machamp would be similar, but more frightening. 105 Attack uninvested doesn't really cut it relatively speaking in higher tiers. I could be COMPLETELY wrong though.
please tell me how 100 base with a positive nature and 208 atk ev's is considered uninvested nowadays? Check my post :P
Im aware of the leftovers-sandstorm matter, thats why i suggest machamp with leftovers. The fact is that there's a lot of bulk that's lost
i repost this, so you dont mess with the investment idea =)
Machoke -BUK Bulky utility Knocker-
NoGuard @Eviolite
208 atk 116 def 184 spdef // Adamant
-Dynamic Punch
-Knock Off
-Ice Punch/Stone Edge
-Rest / Substitute
The resttalk heatran seems cool, though i'm not sure if shed shell should be the item of choice.
A set been using is
Victreebel @ Life Orb
Trait: Chlorophyll
Nature: Modest
Ev's: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
- Protect
- Weather Ball
- Hidden Power Ice
- Giga Drain
from much testing I've found protect is the most useful for its fourth move. It makes mind games with scizor disappear and it scouts faster scarf like Terrakion
A set been using is
Victreebel @ Life Orb
Trait: Chlorophyll
Nature: Modest
Ev's: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
- Protect
- Weather Ball
- Hidden Power Ice
- Giga Drain
from much testing I've found protect is the most useful for its fourth move. It makes mind games with scizor disappear and it scouts faster scarf like Terrakion
Kangaskan @ Leftovers
Nature:Impish
Ability: Scrappy
252 HP/180 Def/76 SpDef
Rage
Return
Rest/ Sucker Punch/Protect
Sleep talk/ Endure
This set, if played right, can be pretty devastating. It works excellently in a team with a dual screener, and with someone who can boost his speed or defensive stats. Rage is rarely ever seen, and kangaskans bulk with some screens is stupid high.
The benefit of rage is that it doubles as an attack, and it can't be taunted, so it's a reliable boosting move, especially with scrappy allowing it to hit ghost types
here's a log of a match where it swept. Keep in mind this isn't the ideal tier for him in this match, but what ever
Nature:Impish
Ability: Scrappy
252 HP/180 Def/76 SpDef
Rage
Return
Rest/ Sucker Punch/Protect
Sleep talk/ Endure
This set, if played right, can be pretty devastating. It works excellently in a team with a dual screener, and with someone who can boost his speed or defensive stats. Rage is rarely ever seen, and kangaskans bulk with some screens is stupid high.
The benefit of rage is that it doubles as an attack, and it can't be taunted, so it's a reliable boosting move, especially with scrappy allowing it to hit ghost types
here's a log of a match where it swept. Keep in mind this isn't the ideal tier for him in this match, but what ever
Battle between AlexGoat and Testing a Wierd Team started!
Tier: Dream World OU
Mode: Singles
Variation: +38, -62
Rule: Rated
Rule: Sleep Clause
Rule: Species Clause
Rule: Wifi Battle
Your team: Smeargle / Espeon / Kangaskhan / Deoxys-D / Riolu / Forretress
Opponent's team: Gastrodon / Weavile / Heatran / Scrafty / Skarmory / Magnezone
AlexGoat sent out Skarmory!
Testing a Wierd Team sent out Smeargle!
Start of turn 1
Smeargle used Quiver Dance!
Smeargle's Sp. Att. rose!
Smeargle's Sp. Def. rose!
Smeargle's Speed rose!
AlexGoat's Skarmory used Stealth Rock!
Pointed stones float in the air around Testing a Wierd Team's team!
Start of turn 2
Smeargle used Magic Coat!
Smeargle shrouded itself with Magic Coat!
AlexGoat's Skarmory used Spikes!
AlexGoat's Skarmory's Spikes was bounced back by Magic Coat!
Spikes were scattered all around the feet of AlexGoat's team!
Start of turn 3
Smeargle used Magic Coat!
Smeargle shrouded itself with Magic Coat!
AlexGoat's Skarmory used Spikes!
AlexGoat's Skarmory's Spikes was bounced back by Magic Coat!
Spikes were scattered all around the feet of AlexGoat's team!
Start of turn 4
Smeargle used Magic Coat!
Smeargle shrouded itself with Magic Coat!
AlexGoat's Skarmory used Whirlwind!
AlexGoat's Skarmory's Whirlwind was bounced back by Magic Coat!
AlexGoat's Magnezone was dragged out!
AlexGoat's Magnezone is floating on a balloon!
Start of turn 5
Smeargle used Quiver Dance!
Smeargle's Sp. Att. rose!
Smeargle's Sp. Def. rose!
Smeargle's Speed rose!
AlexGoat's Magnezone used Thunderbolt!
Smeargle lost 123 HP! (49% of its health)
Start of turn 6
Smeargle used Baton Pass!
Testing a Wierd Team called Smeargle back!
Testing a Wierd Team sent out Espeon!
Pointed stones dug into Espeon!
AlexGoat's Magnezone used Charge Beam!
Espeon lost 27 HP! (8% of its health)
AlexGoat's Magnezone's Sp. Att. rose!
Start of turn 7
Espeon used Reflect!
Reflect raised Testing a Wierd Team's team defense!
AlexGoat's Magnezone used Thunderbolt!
Espeon lost 75 HP! (23% of its health)
Espeon is paralyzed! It may be unable to move!
Espeon's Synchronize changes the status of AlexGoat's Magnezone!
AlexGoat's Magnezone is paralyzed! It may be unable to move!
Start of turn 8
Espeon used Light Screen!
Light Screen raised Testing a Wierd Team's team special defense!
AlexGoat's Magnezone used Thunderbolt!
Espeon lost 39 HP! (12% of its health)
Start of turn 9
Espeon used Baton Pass!
Testing a Wierd Team called Espeon back!
Testing a Wierd Team sent out Kangaskhan!
Pointed stones dug into Kangaskhan!
AlexGoat's Magnezone used Hidden Power!
Kangaskhan lost 27 HP! (6% of its health)
Kangaskhan restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Start of turn 10
Kangaskhan used Rage!
It's not very effective...
AlexGoat's Magnezone lost 4% of its health!
AlexGoat's Magnezone's Air Balloon popped!
AlexGoat's Magnezone is paralyzed! It can't move!
Kangaskhan restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Start of turn 11
Kangaskhan used Return!
It's not very effective...
AlexGoat's Magnezone lost 19% of its health!
AlexGoat's Magnezone is paralyzed! It can't move!
Kangaskhan restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Start of turn 12
Kangaskhan used Return!
It's not very effective...
AlexGoat's Magnezone lost 18% of its health!
AlexGoat's Magnezone used Thunderbolt!
Kangaskhan lost 63 HP! (15% of its health)
Kangaskhan restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Start of turn 13
Kangaskhan used Rage!
It's not very effective...
AlexGoat's Magnezone lost 4% of its health!
AlexGoat's Magnezone used Thunderbolt!
Kangaskhan lost 54 HP! (13% of its health)
Kangaskhan's Attack rose!
Kangaskhan's rage builds up!
Kangaskhan restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Start of turn 14
Kangaskhan used Rage!
It's not very effective...
AlexGoat's Magnezone lost 5% of its health!
AlexGoat's Magnezone used Hidden Power!
Kangaskhan lost 29 HP! (7% of its health)
Kangaskhan's Attack rose!
Kangaskhan's rage builds up!
Kangaskhan restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Testing a Wierd Team's reflect wore off!
Start of turn 15
Kangaskhan used Rage!
It's not very effective...
AlexGoat's Magnezone lost 7% of its health!
AlexGoat's Magnezone is paralyzed! It can't move!
Kangaskhan restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Testing a Wierd Team's light screen wore off!
Start of turn 16
Kangaskhan used Rage!
It's not very effective...
A critical hit!
AlexGoat's Magnezone lost 13% of its health!
AlexGoat's Magnezone used Hidden Power!
Kangaskhan lost 58 HP! (14% of its health)
Kangaskhan's Attack rose!
Kangaskhan's rage builds up!
Kangaskhan restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Start of turn 17
Kangaskhan used Rage!
It's not very effective...
AlexGoat's Magnezone lost 9% of its health!
AlexGoat's Magnezone used Hidden Power!
Kangaskhan lost 58 HP! (14% of its health)
Kangaskhan's Attack rose!
Kangaskhan's rage builds up!
Kangaskhan restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Start of turn 18
Kangaskhan used Return!
It's not very effective...
AlexGoat's Magnezone lost 17% of its health!
AlexGoat's Magnezone fainted!
Kangaskhan restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
AlexGoat sent out Scrafty!
AlexGoat's Scrafty is hurt by spikes!
Start of turn 19
Kangaskhan used Return!
AlexGoat's Scrafty lost 83% of its health!
AlexGoat's Scrafty fainted!
Kangaskhan restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
AlexGoat sent out Weavile!
AlexGoat's Weavile is hurt by spikes!
AlexGoat's Weavile is exerting its Pressure!
Start of turn 20
Kangaskhan used Return!
A critical hit!
AlexGoat's Weavile lost 83% of its health!
AlexGoat's Weavile fainted!
Kangaskhan restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
AlexGoat sent out Heatran!
AlexGoat's Heatran is hurt by spikes!
Start of turn 21
Kangaskhan used Return!
It's not very effective...
AlexGoat's Heatran lost 46% of its health!
AlexGoat's Heatran used Toxic!
Kangaskhan was badly poisoned!
Kangaskhan restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
AlexGoat's Heatran restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Kangaskhan is hurt by poison!
Start of turn 22
Kangaskhan used Return!
It's not very effective...
AlexGoat's Heatran lost 43% of its health!
AlexGoat's Heatran fainted!
Kangaskhan restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Kangaskhan is hurt by poison!
AlexGoat sent out Gastrodon!
AlexGoat's Gastrodon is hurt by spikes!
Start of turn 23
Kangaskhan used Return!
AlexGoat's Gastrodon lost 83% of its health!
AlexGoat's Gastrodon fainted!
Kangaskhan restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Kangaskhan is hurt by poison!
AlexGoat sent out Skarmory!
Start of turn 24
Kangaskhan used Return!
It's not very effective...
AlexGoat's Skarmory lost 41% of its health!
AlexGoat's Skarmory used Spikes!
Spikes were scattered all around the feet of Testing a Wierd Team's team!
Kangaskhan restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
AlexGoat's Skarmory restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Kangaskhan is hurt by poison!
Start of turn 25
Kangaskhan used Return!
It's not very effective...
AlexGoat's Skarmory lost 43% of its health!
AlexGoat's Skarmory used Spikes!
Spikes were scattered all around the feet of Testing a Wierd Team's team!
Kangaskhan restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
AlexGoat's Skarmory restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Kangaskhan is hurt by poison!
Start of turn 26
Kangaskhan used Return!
It's not very effective...
AlexGoat's Skarmory lost 27% of its health!
AlexGoat's Skarmory fainted!
Testing a Wierd Team won the battle!
Testing a Wierd Team: Great Success!
The window was disabled due to one of the players closing the battle window.
Tier: Dream World OU
Mode: Singles
Variation: +38, -62
Rule: Rated
Rule: Sleep Clause
Rule: Species Clause
Rule: Wifi Battle
Your team: Smeargle / Espeon / Kangaskhan / Deoxys-D / Riolu / Forretress
Opponent's team: Gastrodon / Weavile / Heatran / Scrafty / Skarmory / Magnezone
AlexGoat sent out Skarmory!
Testing a Wierd Team sent out Smeargle!
Start of turn 1
Smeargle used Quiver Dance!
Smeargle's Sp. Att. rose!
Smeargle's Sp. Def. rose!
Smeargle's Speed rose!
AlexGoat's Skarmory used Stealth Rock!
Pointed stones float in the air around Testing a Wierd Team's team!
Start of turn 2
Smeargle used Magic Coat!
Smeargle shrouded itself with Magic Coat!
AlexGoat's Skarmory used Spikes!
AlexGoat's Skarmory's Spikes was bounced back by Magic Coat!
Spikes were scattered all around the feet of AlexGoat's team!
Start of turn 3
Smeargle used Magic Coat!
Smeargle shrouded itself with Magic Coat!
AlexGoat's Skarmory used Spikes!
AlexGoat's Skarmory's Spikes was bounced back by Magic Coat!
Spikes were scattered all around the feet of AlexGoat's team!
Start of turn 4
Smeargle used Magic Coat!
Smeargle shrouded itself with Magic Coat!
AlexGoat's Skarmory used Whirlwind!
AlexGoat's Skarmory's Whirlwind was bounced back by Magic Coat!
AlexGoat's Magnezone was dragged out!
AlexGoat's Magnezone is floating on a balloon!
Start of turn 5
Smeargle used Quiver Dance!
Smeargle's Sp. Att. rose!
Smeargle's Sp. Def. rose!
Smeargle's Speed rose!
AlexGoat's Magnezone used Thunderbolt!
Smeargle lost 123 HP! (49% of its health)
Start of turn 6
Smeargle used Baton Pass!
Testing a Wierd Team called Smeargle back!
Testing a Wierd Team sent out Espeon!
Pointed stones dug into Espeon!
AlexGoat's Magnezone used Charge Beam!
Espeon lost 27 HP! (8% of its health)
AlexGoat's Magnezone's Sp. Att. rose!
Start of turn 7
Espeon used Reflect!
Reflect raised Testing a Wierd Team's team defense!
AlexGoat's Magnezone used Thunderbolt!
Espeon lost 75 HP! (23% of its health)
Espeon is paralyzed! It may be unable to move!
Espeon's Synchronize changes the status of AlexGoat's Magnezone!
AlexGoat's Magnezone is paralyzed! It may be unable to move!
Start of turn 8
Espeon used Light Screen!
Light Screen raised Testing a Wierd Team's team special defense!
AlexGoat's Magnezone used Thunderbolt!
Espeon lost 39 HP! (12% of its health)
Start of turn 9
Espeon used Baton Pass!
Testing a Wierd Team called Espeon back!
Testing a Wierd Team sent out Kangaskhan!
Pointed stones dug into Kangaskhan!
AlexGoat's Magnezone used Hidden Power!
Kangaskhan lost 27 HP! (6% of its health)
Kangaskhan restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Start of turn 10
Kangaskhan used Rage!
It's not very effective...
AlexGoat's Magnezone lost 4% of its health!
AlexGoat's Magnezone's Air Balloon popped!
AlexGoat's Magnezone is paralyzed! It can't move!
Kangaskhan restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Start of turn 11
Kangaskhan used Return!
It's not very effective...
AlexGoat's Magnezone lost 19% of its health!
AlexGoat's Magnezone is paralyzed! It can't move!
Kangaskhan restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Start of turn 12
Kangaskhan used Return!
It's not very effective...
AlexGoat's Magnezone lost 18% of its health!
AlexGoat's Magnezone used Thunderbolt!
Kangaskhan lost 63 HP! (15% of its health)
Kangaskhan restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Start of turn 13
Kangaskhan used Rage!
It's not very effective...
AlexGoat's Magnezone lost 4% of its health!
AlexGoat's Magnezone used Thunderbolt!
Kangaskhan lost 54 HP! (13% of its health)
Kangaskhan's Attack rose!
Kangaskhan's rage builds up!
Kangaskhan restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Start of turn 14
Kangaskhan used Rage!
It's not very effective...
AlexGoat's Magnezone lost 5% of its health!
AlexGoat's Magnezone used Hidden Power!
Kangaskhan lost 29 HP! (7% of its health)
Kangaskhan's Attack rose!
Kangaskhan's rage builds up!
Kangaskhan restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Testing a Wierd Team's reflect wore off!
Start of turn 15
Kangaskhan used Rage!
It's not very effective...
AlexGoat's Magnezone lost 7% of its health!
AlexGoat's Magnezone is paralyzed! It can't move!
Kangaskhan restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Testing a Wierd Team's light screen wore off!
Start of turn 16
Kangaskhan used Rage!
It's not very effective...
A critical hit!
AlexGoat's Magnezone lost 13% of its health!
AlexGoat's Magnezone used Hidden Power!
Kangaskhan lost 58 HP! (14% of its health)
Kangaskhan's Attack rose!
Kangaskhan's rage builds up!
Kangaskhan restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Start of turn 17
Kangaskhan used Rage!
It's not very effective...
AlexGoat's Magnezone lost 9% of its health!
AlexGoat's Magnezone used Hidden Power!
Kangaskhan lost 58 HP! (14% of its health)
Kangaskhan's Attack rose!
Kangaskhan's rage builds up!
Kangaskhan restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Start of turn 18
Kangaskhan used Return!
It's not very effective...
AlexGoat's Magnezone lost 17% of its health!
AlexGoat's Magnezone fainted!
Kangaskhan restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
AlexGoat sent out Scrafty!
AlexGoat's Scrafty is hurt by spikes!
Start of turn 19
Kangaskhan used Return!
AlexGoat's Scrafty lost 83% of its health!
AlexGoat's Scrafty fainted!
Kangaskhan restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
AlexGoat sent out Weavile!
AlexGoat's Weavile is hurt by spikes!
AlexGoat's Weavile is exerting its Pressure!
Start of turn 20
Kangaskhan used Return!
A critical hit!
AlexGoat's Weavile lost 83% of its health!
AlexGoat's Weavile fainted!
Kangaskhan restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
AlexGoat sent out Heatran!
AlexGoat's Heatran is hurt by spikes!
Start of turn 21
Kangaskhan used Return!
It's not very effective...
AlexGoat's Heatran lost 46% of its health!
AlexGoat's Heatran used Toxic!
Kangaskhan was badly poisoned!
Kangaskhan restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
AlexGoat's Heatran restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Kangaskhan is hurt by poison!
Start of turn 22
Kangaskhan used Return!
It's not very effective...
AlexGoat's Heatran lost 43% of its health!
AlexGoat's Heatran fainted!
Kangaskhan restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Kangaskhan is hurt by poison!
AlexGoat sent out Gastrodon!
AlexGoat's Gastrodon is hurt by spikes!
Start of turn 23
Kangaskhan used Return!
AlexGoat's Gastrodon lost 83% of its health!
AlexGoat's Gastrodon fainted!
Kangaskhan restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Kangaskhan is hurt by poison!
AlexGoat sent out Skarmory!
Start of turn 24
Kangaskhan used Return!
It's not very effective...
AlexGoat's Skarmory lost 41% of its health!
AlexGoat's Skarmory used Spikes!
Spikes were scattered all around the feet of Testing a Wierd Team's team!
Kangaskhan restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
AlexGoat's Skarmory restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Kangaskhan is hurt by poison!
Start of turn 25
Kangaskhan used Return!
It's not very effective...
AlexGoat's Skarmory lost 43% of its health!
AlexGoat's Skarmory used Spikes!
Spikes were scattered all around the feet of Testing a Wierd Team's team!
Kangaskhan restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
AlexGoat's Skarmory restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Kangaskhan is hurt by poison!
Start of turn 26
Kangaskhan used Return!
It's not very effective...
AlexGoat's Skarmory lost 27% of its health!
AlexGoat's Skarmory fainted!
Testing a Wierd Team won the battle!
Testing a Wierd Team: Great Success!
The window was disabled due to one of the players closing the battle window.
While we find the idea of Scrappy-Rage not too bad, I consider the idea of using a moveslot for a move as weak as Rapid Spin a waste; granted, that it is the only boosting move Kangaskans have, but the secondary moveslot is usually given to Drain Punch for perfect coverage - one of the Scrappy's selling points.
Otherwise there won't be a lot of situations to setup with Rage, since it is awefully underwhelming and slow for a Pokemon with rather medicore offensive stats. We haven't found out (yet), why exactly the opponent deterred Skarmory from just phazing away Kangaskan.
In any case, you should really drop Endure - firstly, because it has nothing to do on a set without Reversal,secondly, because Kangaskan is supposed to be bulky in this set, and thirdly, because it is redundant with Protect. Drain Punch is the way to go, but as a boosting receiver, it unfortunately is outclassed by a bunch of other Pokemon with access to Swords Dance (such as bulky Garchomp in DW).
Otherwise there won't be a lot of situations to setup with Rage, since it is awefully underwhelming and slow for a Pokemon with rather medicore offensive stats. We haven't found out (yet), why exactly the opponent deterred Skarmory from just phazing away Kangaskan.
In any case, you should really drop Endure - firstly, because it has nothing to do on a set without Reversal,secondly, because Kangaskan is supposed to be bulky in this set, and thirdly, because it is redundant with Protect. Drain Punch is the way to go, but as a boosting receiver, it unfortunately is outclassed by a bunch of other Pokemon with access to Swords Dance (such as bulky Garchomp in DW).
Politoed @ Leftovers
Trait: Drizzle
EVs: 252 HP / 6 Def / 252 SDef
Calm Nature
- Scald
- Toxic
- Substitute
- Encore
Not your average Politoed. While I wanted the Special Defense EVs because I thought investing in Defense was the wrong way to go, what I'm here to talk about is Substitute. Substitute not only eases prediction, but it also provides a cushion against enemy walls. Gastrodon, Ferrothorn, pink blobs, Jellicent, etc. are all put at a disadvantage when you use Substitute. From there, you can proceed to Encore their attack or simply poison them.
tehy
Banned deucer.
Oh no, don't encore my hazards. Not to mention, why would you cut your own hp on a weather setter? Not a terrible set, but what's the point of sub? You can just hit on the switch with toxic. Jellicent has toxic, and the "pink blobs" can just seismic toss you in the face. I guess you can play complex games with toxic and encore, but most switchins will just pound you until you die anyhow.
What about Zwealous?
I ran some damage calcs and it is so ridiculously strong
Not so much usable because of it's abyssimal speed, but i gave it a go and it took at a few while it lasted.
Zwealous@ eviolite
252 atk 252 hp 4 spdef
Adamant
Outrage
Crunch
Fire fang
Thunderwave
This 2HKO's practically all Tyranitar to put it in practicality.
I ran some damage calcs and it is so ridiculously strong
Not so much usable because of it's abyssimal speed, but i gave it a go and it took at a few while it lasted.
Zwealous@ eviolite
252 atk 252 hp 4 spdef
Adamant
Outrage
Crunch
Fire fang
Thunderwave
This 2HKO's practically all Tyranitar to put it in practicality.
That's actually pretty much Zweilous's standard set aside from Thunder Wave. http://www.smogon.com/bw/pokemon/zweilous
Honestly, what's the point of that Zweilous set? Let's take a look at it (relevant) current stats, factoring in the boosted Defenses by Eviolite and the boosted attack by Hustle:
348 HP / 442 Atk / 264 Def / 265 SpD / 152 Spe
This goes along with a pretty notable 20% drop in accuracy. Now, let's take a look at another powerful Dragon, Dragonite. Let's say I'm using Muscle Band Dragonite with an EV spread of 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def with an Adamant nature and Multiscale as ability, factoring in the Attack boost from Muscle Band:
386 HP / 443 Atk / 227 Def / 236 SpD / 196 Spe
As you can see, Dragonite has superior Attack and superior Speed. They have very similar bulk, and that's with Dragonite not having Multiscale intact. Zweilous' bulk is only slightly better (assuming no Multiscale for Dragonite), it has inferior power, no move to hit Steel-types outside of a weak Fire Fang, no boosting move such as Dragon Dance, no Roost, no special moves, every move is instantly as accurate as Stone Edge, etc. Honestly I would never use Zweilous in OU.
348 HP / 442 Atk / 264 Def / 265 SpD / 152 Spe
This goes along with a pretty notable 20% drop in accuracy. Now, let's take a look at another powerful Dragon, Dragonite. Let's say I'm using Muscle Band Dragonite with an EV spread of 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def with an Adamant nature and Multiscale as ability, factoring in the Attack boost from Muscle Band:
386 HP / 443 Atk / 227 Def / 236 SpD / 196 Spe
As you can see, Dragonite has superior Attack and superior Speed. They have very similar bulk, and that's with Dragonite not having Multiscale intact. Zweilous' bulk is only slightly better (assuming no Multiscale for Dragonite), it has inferior power, no move to hit Steel-types outside of a weak Fire Fang, no boosting move such as Dragon Dance, no Roost, no special moves, every move is instantly as accurate as Stone Edge, etc. Honestly I would never use Zweilous in OU.
I'd be a fan of Zweilous if it wasn't for the fact that it relies so heavily on eviolite and pretty much is outsped by any attacking threat. Losing 20% accuracy just makes things worse for it.
Edit: Mold breaker and hazards say hi to Bastiodon.
Can we seriously stop recommending NU mons? Beyond extremely stupid niches they are totally outclassed by other mons in OU and UU.
Edit: Mold breaker and hazards say hi to Bastiodon.
Can we seriously stop recommending NU mons? Beyond extremely stupid niches they are totally outclassed by other mons in OU and UU.
Bastiodon has 4x weaknesses to two of the most common attack types in the game, Fighting and Ground, and a regular weakness to Water. If you're really set into using Bastiodon, though, use Metal Burst over Counter. Metal Burst is like Counter and Mirror Coat combined, making it much better.
Also, max HP would give it so much more bulk, I'm not sure what the benefit of that spread is.
Maximizing Counter damage.
Unless I'm completely misunderstanding how Counter works, wouldn't it be more effective with higher HP and lower defenses?
Yeah but 252 Def and SpDef looks way cooler. Just imagine the extra armour plating on Bastiodon (instead of the extra flab yuk). Pretty sure Ventura did the right thing for everyone in this case.
But that disregards the "(and good)" part of the title. Creative sets are only relevant if they have an actual niche. Outside of random stuff like Leech Seed, max HP is strictly better, so at that point you're making it worse just for the sake of being different.
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