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What is Cute Charm's chance to activate?

Tangerine, make sure you are testing Fissure with Pokemon of the same level, as your accuracy increases if you are a higher level than the opponent.

Boa, I want Triple Kick specifically because it's up to 3 attacks in one turn (each with their own accuracy check), not a single attack that hits 3 times. It acts differently with Destiny Bond, for instance.

Which brings me to my next question. Does Triple Kick have up to 3 chances to proc effects of held items, for instance, the Flinch from King's Rock?
 
Peterko said:
yes I will do this today, as there are only 4 more abilities to test for the dmg formula...a little sample was in my sniper post, I got 2/20, 3/20 and 5/20 with cross poison

EDIT: a poison heal pokémon takes NO damage while walking outside of a battle
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Actually they still do.

One new thing about Poisons in D/P however is that it cannot knock out a pokemon out of battle. When a poisoned pokemon hits 1 HP. The poison fades away and text appears stating so.
 
Obi said:
Tangerine, make sure you are testing Fissure with Pokemon of the same level, as your accuracy increases if you are a higher level than the opponent.
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Oh.

Is this also the case with Sheer Cold? If not i'll go train my Lapras till it gets Sheer cold :[
 
Tangerine said:
Oh.

Is this also the case with Sheer Cold? If not i'll go train my Lapras till it gets Sheer cold :[
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That is the case with all OHKO moves. Also, they do not effect Pokémon of a higher level; the Pokémon must be of equal levels to produce the most accurate results.
 
Team Rocket Elite said:
I've done small testing on Protect, and I've come up with the following:
If you have No Guard, you seem to have regular accuracy and be able to hit through protect (example: Dynamic Punch will hit through Protect 50% of the time). I got spastic results, from missing 4 times in a row to hitting almost every time, but that's the way it works with 50% chances, eh?

Could be more specific with how you tested No Guard and Protect. I've done a few tests and I've never seen a No Guard Machamp hit through a Protect. I did two tests: No Guard + Dynamic Punch fails 10 times in a row against Protect. I gave Machamp 6 X Accuracy and had it use Ice Punch. Once again it failed 10 times in a row against Protect. In all cases I was attacking my ally. I'm not sure if that matters since Rain Dance + Thunder does break through your ally's Protect.
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I'm almost certain I've had no guard dynamic punch hit through protect in the battle tower...I think I saw it two days ago, most recently. That's 1v1, battle tower, and I haven't tried any specific detailed tests, or 2v2 vs. a protecting teammate.
 
Can Pokemon die to Poison / other status?
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I'm assuming you're talking about outside of a battle? If so, Pokemon no longer faint from poison outside of battles. When poison drains the HP to 1, a message will pop up saying that the Pokemon has survived the poisoning, and that the poison has faded away.
 
Anyone know what's up with the "recoil" on Hi-Jump Kick? When the target is my level or lower and I miss, the damage I take seems to be equal to half the target's HP every time. However, when I tried on my Empoleon (which had 200 HP,) my Lucario only lost a mere 16 HP (out of 100.)
 
It is 1/8 the damage you would have done, had you hit the target. This is not capped by the target's max HP.
 
Yeah, I can confirm that. Once, my Meditite tried to HJK an Aron and missed; it KOed itself from full health. Cute Charm's activation chance is 30%.

EDIT: After Transform, each of Ditto's new moves get 5 PP.
 
Having trouble finding someone with an Arceus, who is willing to help me test Multitype. Anyone be willing to help (but I can only try tomorrow)? Please PM me so we don't clog up this thread ;)
 
Team Rocket Elite said:
I've done small testing on Protect, and I've come up with the following:
If you have No Guard, you seem to have regular accuracy and be able to hit through protect (example: Dynamic Punch will hit through Protect 50% of the time). I got spastic results, from missing 4 times in a row to hitting almost every time, but that's the way it works with 50% chances, eh?

Could be more specific with how you tested No Guard and Protect. I've done a few tests and I've never seen a No Guard Machamp hit through a Protect. I did two tests: No Guard + Dynamic Punch fails 10 times in a row against Protect. I gave Machamp 6 X Accuracy and had it use Ice Punch. Once again it failed 10 times in a row against Protect. In all cases I was attacking my ally. I'm not sure if that matters since Rain Dance + Thunder does break through your ally's Protect.
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Well, this is all numbers I just happened to record in battle tower, without it really being a goal. Perhaps it functions differently in double battles, or just on your own partner, but I know that I've hit through protect with No Guard Machamp's Dynamicpunch 5/10 recorded times in battle tower. (note: regular BT, not Wi-Fi)

I'll do some actual testing in a 1v1 match with another DS. Perhaps I'll get usable results.
 
It is 1/8 the damage you would have done, had you hit the target. This is not capped by the target's max HP.
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That can't be right. I just tried it again and it's not adding up.

Lv.35 Lucario with 89 Attack.
Lv.16 Roselia with 43 HP, 23 Defense, Protect to force a miss.
Using Metalkid's damage calculator, I should've done 80-94 damage to Roselia. The recoil was 21. It should've been NVE, though; if you double the numbers then the 1/8th figure works.

EDIT: Just tried it again against a Lv.7 Bidoof with 27 HP and 12 Defense. Same Lucario. Recoil damage was 13 - again, half the target's HP (rounded down.)
 
After chaining for Porygons with a 335 Def\SpDef Registeel as my lead, I've discovered that Download either:

a) always raises Special Attack if both the opponent's defenses are equal, or

b) if both the opponent's defenses are equal, raises the Porygon's highest attacking stat. Since in order for a Porygon to have Attack higher than Special Attack it must have a high Attack IV, a low SpAttk IV and a -SpAttk nature, the odds of me having already encountered such a Porygon are pretty slim.

Dammit, a Pichu just broke my chain.
 
Tests for hitting through protect with No Guard Machamp:
Machamp hit through Protect 4/8 DynamicPunches
Machamp hit through protect with the only Cross Chop I tried
Machamp failed to hit through protect with the only Focus Punch I tried
Machamp FAILED 12/12 Poison Jabs on protect

This leads me to two conclusions:
No Guard hits through Protect if you are using a STAB attack
There is a 50% chance of this happening

Also, in case anyone wanted to know, the success rate of Protect, unlike other attacks, doesn't change if you are fighting a No Guard Machamp. Multiple Protects in a row still have a 50% chance of failing. This leads me to conclude that attacks affected by No Guard are limited to attacks used on the No Guarder, or attacks used by the No Guarder AGAINST ANOTHER POKEMON, ruling out 100% always effective protects.

Fun research, and I even got a video of some of it in action. I'll get the video up soon enough.

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Damnable Youtube.
"We are currently performing site maintenance so a few features aren't available. We'll be back in bit."
 
Just tried No Guard + DynamicPunch in Battle Revolution. I'm using a Lv100 No Guard Machamp and I'm attacking Lv 15-20 Phanpy who are using Protect. It's a Single Battle so the Phanpy are used by an opponent. 11 tries, 11 fails. There has to be more to it then just No Guard to break Protect.
 
Team Rocket Elite said:
Just tried No Guard + DynamicPunch in Battle Revolution. I'm using a Lv100 No Guard Machamp and I'm attacking Lv 15-20 Phanpy who are using Protect. It's a Single Battle so the Phanpy are used by an opponent. 11 tries, 11 fails. There has to be more to it then just No Guard to break Protect.
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Perhaps it doesn't work in PBR?
I have no clue why you're getting results inconsistent to mine. I'll get the video of DP hitting through protect up as soon as I possibly can. Though, with Youtube not working, I'll have to get somewhere else to upload it.

I can assure you that my results were recorded 100% correctly. Originally it seemed that only my Machamp that had a Fist Plate on it could do it, but apparently the other one was just having odd luck as it managed to do it the next time I switched it back out. In addition, I didn't test it on WiFi. Both of my tests have been either in offline Battle Tower or in a wireless (not WiFi) DStoDS battle.

Edit: In case you didn't notice, I gave you as much detail as possible so you can replicate my experiment and results. Try using your DS in offline battle tower, and equipping it with a fist plate. Just DynamicPunch right through the tower until you get to an anemy using Protect.

Megaupload is being stupid as well, and not allowing me to upload my video at any decent rate. And now I'm 15 minutes past my stupid, newly-instated computer curfew, and sure to get grounded if I don't get off right now. I'll upload the video tomorrow as soon as I get the chance, please try testing it with the above conditions.

Anyway if it doesn't work in PBR I assume it was a bug. It doesn't say anything special, like saying that Machamp broke through Protect. Just displays the regular hit message.
 
Way back when the official Pokedex came out for DP (the paperback book), it listed the ability "Reckless" as "increases damage of recoil moves (Jump Kick, Hi Jump Kick)" and NOT "increases opponent's recoil" as previously reported on that Japanese site.

I suggest finding a Reckless Hitmonlee and running damage calcs on its use of Hi Jump Kick to see if it receives the same 1.2 - 1.3 boost as Iron Fist. It's an ability that was never tested on Smogon; we just took another random site's word for it.
 
Perhaps it doesn't work in PBR?

Perhaps. I tested Rain Dance + Thunder and it can break through Protect sometimes.

Try using your DS in offline battle tower, and equipping it with a fist plate. Just DynamicPunch right through the tower until you get to an anemy using Protect.

*enters Battle Tower*

Lairon used Protect!
Machamp used DynamicPunch!
It's Super Effective! Lairon fainted!

Finally got it to work. That's pretty odd if it only works in the Battle Tower. I guess I'll try a few more things to see if I can recreate it outside of the Battle Tower.
 
I so want to test this (machamp is one of my favorite pokemon now), but I don't know anyone who wants to wifi battle. I can field a machamp + something with ninjask in a double battle...does anyone want to field the same on the other side?
 
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