Gen 4 DP Research Thread #6 (Even newer)

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When a Pokemon consumes an item, it is stored in a variable which we'll call X. Since using Knock Off doesn't "consume" any items, it does not affect the variable X at all. This is why using Recycle restores the item stored in the variable X, not the item that was just "knocked off".
 
poccil said:
When a Pokemon consumes an item, it is stored in a variable which we'll call X. Since using Knock Off doesn't "consume" any items, it does not affect the variable X at all. This is why using Recycle restores the item stored in the variable X, not the item that was just "knocked off".
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That's what I've been trying to say all this time!
Knock Off and Recycle are completely independent of each other. If you Knock Off an item Recycle doesn't restore it either.
 
I wonder what would happen in this scenario:

Darkrai: Dark Pulse/Trick/Knock Off/Filler @ Leftovers (it can be any item)
Deoxys-D: Recycle/Filler @ Sitris Berry

Darkrai hits Deoxys with Dark Pulse which brings it down to less than half health so the Sitris Berry avtivates, Deoxys uses one of its filler moves. Darkrai uses Trick on Deoxys, Deoxys uses a filler move. Darkrai uses Knock Off on Deoxys, Deoxys uses Recycle. What happens?

Basically what I'm asking is, does the "ghost item" that Knock Off uses interfere with Recycle's effect? I'm thinking it does because when the battle ended, you would have two items on Deoxys (I think) which is impossible.
 
DDRMaster:

Recycle would still recover the Sitrus Berry.

Like Knock Off, Trick doesn't affect the item the user restores with Recycle at all, since Trick does not "consume" any items. The Sitrus Berry is still "the last item that was held by a Pokémon at user's position this battle and was consumed this battle." Neither Trick nor Knock Off caused the Leftovers to be "consumed", so the last item that met those criteria this battle is the Sitrus Berry.
 
poccil said:
DDRMaster:

Recycle would still recover the Sitrus Berry.

Like Knock Off, Trick doesn't affect the item the user restores with Recycle at all, since Trick does not "consume" any items. The Sitrus Berry is still "the last item that was held by a Pokémon at user's position this battle and was consumed this battle." Neither Trick nor Knock Off caused the Leftovers to be "consumed", so the last item that met those criteria this battle is the Sitrus Berry.

By the way, Splash and Teleport are excellent "filler" moves in situations like these.
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Ok, I knew Recycle wouldn't bring back Leftovers, but I thought that Knock Off might interfere with Recycle, like what happens with Trick.
 
Does Recycle clear the "consumed item" variable? That is, what happens after:
Pokemon consumes berry.
Pokemon uses Recycle, regains berry.
Opponent Knocks Off recycled berry.
Pokemon uses Recycle again...?

Recycle should fail the second time, but has this been tested?
 
I'm pretty sure it does.
You can't Recycle a Knocked Off item, regardless of whether the item itself was recycled or not.
 
The testing I did some time ago shows that the "consumed item" is cleared when Recycle is used and the user recovers an item with it. My attack description now reads: "If user isn't holding an item, user receives the last item that was held by a Pokémon at user's position this battle and was consumed this battle and that item is reset."
 
reword that:
If the user isn't holding an item, the user obtains the last item held and consumed by a Pokémon in that position this battle. The item is then reset.
Also, I can confirm that; Recycle, then Trick, Recycle doesn't work again. So huzzah.
 
ZystraL:

Your suggested wording isn't ideal since it implies that the item resets even if the move fails, such as when the user is holding an item when it uses Recycle.
 
poccil - In which case how about changing the final line to "The held item is reset unless the move fails."
It's just the way you've written it rolls a bit off the tongue and is kind of hard to make it flow when said.
 
Scepticallistic said:
No, I've had him tell me two times in a row the max IV was in Special Attack and then tell me Speed. So I guess that disproves the cycling theory (your case may have been a fun coincidence).
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It's held true every single time I've tried it, which has been quite a lot, with quite a few different pokemon. If you're on Platinum it wouldn't work, or if you checked a different pokemon in between that would skew it as well. Either that or my/your cartridge is glitchy. I'll try it on my friend's copy of HG tomorrow.
 
I've been running a few tests in HGSS on things related to wild Pokémon and running, in order to see if everything works as expected. I can confirm that Shed Shell does not allow you to run from a Shadow Tagger like Wobbuffet (although it allows switching out); this is probably expected given the in-game description, and matches the on-site description, but may surprise some people. Smoke Ball does allow a Pokémon holding it to run from a wild Wobbuffet, though (this is currently unclear from the on-site description, AFAICT). I'm curious as to whether it allows running from Block, Wrap, etc (can probably test that one myself against wild Tentacool/cruel), and also as to whether a Smoke Ball allows a wild Pokémon to flee from a trained Wobbuffet (which I'm not sure is testable, outside possibly a wild double battle against Mesprit/Cresselia in DPP, as you can't both Trick the Smoke Ball onto them and switch to an arena trapper/shadow tagger on the first turn; perhaps some trick involving baton-passing Mean Look would work).

Also, a random fact I discovered by accident: if a Wild Pokémon uses Trick, it fails. (This was in a situation where a wild Kadabra (IIRC; I may have the wrong Pokémon there) used Trick against a Life Orb-holding Furret with Keen Eye, so I don't think abilities would have interfered, and happened several times.) I can sort-of see why there'd be a special case for that, though; Game Freak probably thought it would be arbitrarily unfair for wild Pokémon to steal rare items.
 
Surely if it's a Trained Wobbuffet you would never be able to run anyway? Unless this is over wireless, in which case 'Run' is another word for 'forfeit.'

Tested - Smoke Ball does allow running from Block and Wrap. It also allows for running from Arena Trap.

Another interesting Tidbit about Trick:
I used Pokesav to give this Arceus a bicycle. As in Arceus was holding the Bicycle. I don't get how it works either, but I managed to get the Bicycle off it and I had two bikes in my bag. But that's not the point
I tried to Trick the Arceus in a Wireless battle, and this is with an Itemless Azelf. And Trick failed.
Odd.
 
I think that Trick fails when one of the involved Pokemon is holding something that is a key item/mail. I recall seeing an anti-trick Tyranitar holding Air Mail. The idea is to switch into a scarfed Trick (which will fail thanks to the Mail) and get a free Pursuit on the Tricker.
 
Why not just use Choice Band/Scarf Tyranitar? Choiced Trickers will still be ruined, and if you're not Tricked you still have a powerful attack, or in the case of Scarf a useful revenge killer?
 
It has long been known that mail prevents Trick, as does the Griseous Orb. As for hacked Pokemon Tricking key items, the game probably registers that an unholdable item is trying to be put onto a Pokemon, and makes Trick fail because the item being transferred is unholdable.
 
ZystraL said:
Surely if it's a Trained Wobbuffet you would never be able to run anyway? Unless this is over wireless, in which case 'Run' is another word for 'forfeit.'
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I was talking about a wild Pokémon running from a trainer. It's kind-of annoying to test, because Pokémon rarely run except in a few bizarre cases (on the Pokéwalker but that's hardly a regular battle, and latias, latios, mesprit, cresselia, raikou, and entei). One thing I did notice was that after my lead used Whirlpool on an Entei, it tried (and failed) to run that turn, but didn't try to run on subsequent turns (it attacked instead, Roaring my lead away before the Whirlpool ended, so I'm unsure if it would have tried to run after the Whirlpool ended naturally).
 
If you can run from a Wild Shadow Tag whilst holding Smoke Ball, if you gave them a Smoke Ball they would likely be able to run from you as well, anyway.
 
If a Pokémon with Mold Breaker uses Toxic Spikes (I know there aren't any Pokémon with both), will a Levitating Pokémon who switches in get poisoned?
 
No, since Mold Breaker only allows the user to attack while ignoring abilities. Said Levitator will be hit by EQ, but not affected by TSpikes, unless they are poison type themselves where they will absorb the TSpikes.
 
If you skill swap Drizzle/Drought/Sandstream/Snow Warning, does it reactivate? (If another weather was active, before you skill swap)
 
I have tested the above.
Tyranitar vs. Castform
Castform uses Sunny Day
Tyranitar uses Splash
Castform uses Skill Swap
The weather stays sunny.

The auto-weather abilities only activate when the holder comes into play.
 
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