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DP Tier Discussion - BL and UU (mark 2)
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The thing is they do still have to set up the rain. After that it's really only their water attack that's dangerous. Most special walls or anything that resists water can take at least 1 hit and paralyze it or kill it. At the very least take it down to low enough HP that a priority attack can kill.
It suck but I suppose it's a 1 for 1 situation most of the time. Kind of like if something just took you down with explosion.
It suck but I suppose it's a 1 for 1 situation most of the time. Kind of like if something just took you down with explosion.
This is another point for P2 intro to UU. His bulk and T-Wave/Bolt plus tracing Swift Swim could take out most Rain Sweepers with the exception of Kabutops, maybe. Makes a solid counter to Lapras too, tracing Water Absorb. I guess I'd love to use him in UU, I'm just worried about his being overpowered.
I honestly forgot about limber when I typed that up but still, Toxic can still "cripple" Lee.
Toxic wont really cripple him like burn would. Toxic will make him switch out. However your set that you give me is running
Toxic
Thunder Wave
Now we need Recover so add that on. Finally you need one attack so probably Ice Beam. I dont see that set as a problem. Clefable does it much better, and it is just like a little blissey that would hopefully be in uu, although porygon 2 is much frailer then blissey.
Toxic
Thunder Wave
Now we need Recover so add that on. Finally you need one attack so probably Ice Beam. I dont see that set as a problem. Clefable does it much better, and it is just like a little blissey that would hopefully be in uu, although porygon 2 is much frailer then blissey.
Porygon2 does not learn Calm Mind. Also there is nothing that dangerous about taking a massive risk to pull off a pinch berry activation, its called payoff.
But Ninetales is already perfectly counterable, without bringing P2 down specifically for it.
The Hitmon's are a deterrant for P2, but with the exception of 'lee their victory over P2 is not set in stone. I've used P2 one on one against OU fighting types before now and emerged victorious enough times for it to concern me ...
I can't help but feel your seeling it a bit short there ...
A certain phrase about teaching your grandmother to suck eggs springs to mind ...
I find Ninetails a bit troublesome in UU still. Sleep your counter with that extremely high speed then Nasty Plot then kill. With WishHypno gone, the best and one of the only counters is Grumpig.
Porygon 2 would be tough to kill and may become a staple for teams in UU but I wouldnt mind seeing get tested there.
Oh well, I dont really have anything else to say about porygon2 so for now I will just go with ODDish and say keep porygon2 in bl until I can find some proof to move him down.
Porygon 2 would be tough to kill and may become a staple for teams in UU but I wouldnt mind seeing get tested there.
Oh well, I dont really have anything else to say about porygon2 so for now I will just go with ODDish and say keep porygon2 in bl until I can find some proof to move him down.
oh my what an awkward mistake, lol. I guess I was thinking Charge Beam to increase his sp.atk. It can afford to use it due to being pretty bulky, and if it gets 2 boosts than it won't be easy stopping him. Don't underestimate Chople berry, it's not even a pinch berry... it reduces SE damage from a fighting attack so P2 can hit those frail fighters with STAB Tri Attack.
I've never really used either, I prefer Noctowl.
It can't be hypnotised, can Roost off damage (most tales don't carry super effective attacks), and Whirlwind it away if it tries to set up on you.
I you genuinely believe that it should be UU then don't let me stop you.
I'm just against brining anything else down, unless we bring everything down, but I'm not getting into that one again.
No but see you are right about him being able to tank and whatnot in uu. And that may prove to be too much to uu. The only reason I want him in uu is because he wouldnt completely overpower uu as he has a few counters (just like how garchomp doesnt completely overpower the ou metagame because he has a few counters). The reason that most people want him in though is the loss of wishhypno hurts. Like tremendously bad. I feel porygon 2 would give that niche we need to fill hypno's role, although he lacks wish.
As I've said before, when you're bringing defensive based pokemon down a tier, it's not about seeing if they can be countered. By that logic, I think we can bring blissey to UU. It's not hard to counter it with all the fighting types. If we're going to bring P2 down to handle ninetales, it's just as easy and better to send ninetales into BL. Need less emphasis on bringing everything down and more on getting rid of things that are too good.
what do you mean by "overpower"? It's a defensive pokemon so it's not going on 6-0 sweeps anytime soon.
In the end, I don't think it will completely overpower UU and it's Ninetales countering abilities are badly needed. Besides, it's been mentioned that a Limber Hitmonlee can destroy it, among others. Also, it's Trick Room could add a new flavour to UU since it is one of only a few bulky TR users. I say give it a trial run, if it's not too bad, then move it on down.
The main concern with defensive Pokemon is "Do they stop too many Pokemon?" ("too many" is arbitrary and subjective, though). Does this apply to Porygon2?
I don't really think so. It's a great ninetales counter, but the common Fighting-types destroy it. It takes a lot of damage from Scyther's Brick Break, and Swellow severely dents it with Facade. Porygon2 has decent defenses but nothing spectacular, and I don't think it would really off-balance UU.
Worthy of testing I think.
I don't really think so. It's a great ninetales counter, but the common Fighting-types destroy it. It takes a lot of damage from Scyther's Brick Break, and Swellow severely dents it with Facade. Porygon2 has decent defenses but nothing spectacular, and I don't think it would really off-balance UU.
Worthy of testing I think.
Have you even used P2? it can easily predict a figthing switch and use Trick Room that turn. Now it can hit first and fighters in UU aren't exactly "bulky". The Charge Beam set is severely underrated and can cause quite a havoc in UU. with 105 base sp.atk and Tri Attack having 20% for inducing status, even a choice specs set is threatening, coming from a pokemon who is quite bulky. It even has better defensive capabilities than Clefable.