well for more defensive orientated sets yeah
first off pogre is in uber and 2nd it's gone
To check other Dracovish given it's unlikely any will run Outrage, as it's otherwise almost completely pointless to have.
It was for the sake of a comparison with what was likely the strongest Water-type move that existed beforehand. POgre cannot run Specs so the +1 from a Calm Mind was needed.
if it ends up being used a lot, I could see that. Though being 4x resistant to water already seems good enough for me but I haven't done the calcs yet, I should be doing that soon...
what would be a good defensive set for this guy? lack of good recovery would probabily damp things a lot imo
Appletun is hardpressed to stay healthy throughout the match in rain in order to check it effectively.
My guess is the one that can OHKO Ferrothorn with a resisted unboosted move.
both are certainly usable but vish definitely edges it out imo, partially because of the better defensive typing and lack of low accuracy but mostly for how absolutely spammable fishious rend is. having your busted move be water instead of electric is huge in terms of the ease in which you can just click it; vish also gets wonderful coverage in strong jaw crunch for the only common water immunity rn, jellicent (seis is good but mostly with swift swim) and on top of that can receive easy support from rain to break past things that can normally live one rend even more easily
Not saying it's necessarily a good idea, but the two actually have some decent synergy outside of Rain teams. Dracozolt can muscle past Pex, Jellicent, and Ferro (Bolt Beak for the first two and Fire Fang for the latter), while Dracovish eats Ground-types for breakfast.
He may be the ungodly product of reckless scientific necromancy who suffers nearly every second of his cruel existence thanks to his horrifyingly botched anatomy that makes even basic functions of life such as breathing and swallowing absurdly difficult and exhausting, but at least he can 2HKO defensive Ferrothorn with a resisted attack.
I actually thought that Dracozolt, Arctozolt, Dracovish, and Arctovish were based off of paleontology mistakes. There are actually more than a few errors fossil scientists have made including putting the wrong skull on a dinosaur's body (See Brontosaurus), or even mistaking a dinosaur's tail for its neck and placing the skull on that instead (See Elasosaurus). So odds are these Pokemon are not intentional Frankenstein Monsters, but accidental creations because some paleontologist didn't double check their research.
Water being more spammable is incredibly important. The tier is absolutely crawling with Ground types right now but there are very few Water Absorb users. Moreover, Fishious Rend can be boosted by Rain, which isn't hard to set up.
You're also forgetting Hustle's drawback of every move Dracozolt has besides Aerial Ace using Stone Edge's accuracy, making Zolt the less consistent option. Fishious Rend is really all it needs to click especially in Rain, but Psychic Fangs, Ice Fang, and Crunch all get SJ-boosted and provide the coverage Vish needs when necessary, and all with perfect accuracy.
Hustle's accuracy drawback comes into play pretty often and can be game losing with how fast this meta is right now (imo at least) and Excadrill is everywhere. Fishious Rend you just click and unless they're running Jellicent or something you're probably killing something.
I think what they meant by that is simply that Dracozolt hits harder because it has a higher Attack stat.
Dracozolt has 100 attack while Vish has 90, so yeah it is stronger- But I agree, Vish is much more consistent and better imo
Yeah, you're right, completely forgot about that but either way, that power difference is negligible at best and the other way around when Rain is up, which is something way easier to set than Electric terrain unless you're running Pincurchin.
Band is better if you're running rain as his nuke get turned into a nova, you can use without rain as it still hits pretty hard but it's a bit slow so I suggest you use a scarf on non-rain teams as it will be faster than a lot of stuff while hitting very hard with Fishious Rend.
