DuskMod: A major modification to the standard metagame

Druddigon should not get Dynamic punch, as it encroaches too much on Machamp's niche.
Yeah, Druddigon should DEFINITELY not get Dynamic Punch and No Guard, I'd give it Cross Chop with No Guard or something like that, good enough imo. But I think Fighting-types are fine atm. I'd worry about overpowering typings (Fire and possibly Flying) getting nerfs and underpowering typings (Ice, Poison, possibly Rock and etc) getting buffs, if anything on the typing spectrum.
 
It's decent, but I really doubt anyone would be using Normal-type priority in doubles when moves like Mach Punch and Aqua Jet are much more effective. But maybe we could make it like, Flying-type or something?
 
can't get on either at the moment
(EDIT http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3477680 though aren't these different servers? Me no good with know computer)

Meanwhile I've been doing some number crunching. My customized BST calc puts Watchog at #16 out of 171 pokemon in DM, and that's including Meloetta-P as a seperate 'mon. I want to try Watchog now; it does have the third fastest sleep I believe, after Prankster Jynx's Lovely Kiss and Gengar's Hypnosis.

Some pokemon with sadly low BSTs: Cofagrigus, Hitmontop, Stunfisk, Steelix, Venomoth, Beheeyem, Fearow. But it's not like they need urgent help; with 171 pokes in the meta, at a much denser power spread than in standard, we're already practically flooded with viable options.
 
I'm actually really impressed by Gyarados in DuskMod. All it gained was an actual usable Flying STAB move (rot in hell, Bounce) and it's now a really impressive Moxie Sweeper. It's so nice when things slot into place like that. I only found out about Water/Flying's superb coverage after being swept by a Gyarados and it makes me wonder how good a specially based Water/Flying mon would be. One that's not Swanna, I mean.

Also, I had thought regarding Normalise. What if it gave an Adaptability bonus in addition to its usual effects (and was given to things other than than Delcatty.) With a decent movepool, it might offer a nice Risk/Reward dynamic.
 
Ninetales seems like a Pokemon that should have Moonlight(because it is a fox, the Drought thing is secondary), not Recover.
Because DuskMod doesn't care about flavor when it doesn't need to.
An ability like Drought can't be considered secondary to flavor. Getting more recovery needs a more compelling reason than because it's a fox. It would only serve to slightly increase the importance of weather.
 
can't get on either at the moment
(EDIT http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3477680 though aren't these different servers? Me no good with know computer)

Meanwhile I've been doing some number crunching. My customized BST calc puts Watchog at #16 out of 171 pokemon in DM, and that's including Meloetta-P as a seperate 'mon. I want to try Watchog now; it does have the third fastest sleep I believe, after Prankster Jynx's Lovely Kiss and Gengar's Hypnosis.

Some pokemon with sadly low BSTs: Cofagrigus, Hitmontop, Stunfisk, Steelix, Venomoth, Beheeyem, Fearow. But it's not like they need urgent help; with 171 pokes in the meta, at a much denser power spread than in standard, we're already practically flooded with viable options.
I am actually afraid DM as it stands now is somewhat centralized. At least one of Sawsbuck, Zapdos, Gyarados, Escavalier, and Darmanitan is almost necessary, and stall is not very easy to play correctly. The mons you mentioned could help boost stall, so the do need attention.
 
I'd agree those are kind of problem Pokemon. Sawsbuck can pull of an Extreme Killer set and can even actually use Chlorophyll (I know it's shocking, I forgot about it too.) Ain't nothing outspeeding it in Sun. Zapdos' power is kind of obvious since it's like a Thundurus that has Hurricane and can summons Rain. As for Gyarados, I dunno. There is no denying that it's powerful, but it didn't get buffed much. Well, I suppose that one buff was worth a lot. Giving Escavalier Bullet Punch kinda made it encroach on Scizor's territory, and Edgequake (well, Drilledge) was really a bit much. And Darmanitan-Z is a super bulky nuke that can use Calm Mind to become more bulky and more nukey. Or maybe it'll just nuke you straight away. Of course, no special attacker is harming it after a boost so guess well.
 
I am actually afraid DM as it stands now is somewhat centralized. At least one of Sawsbuck, Zapdos, Gyarados, Escavalier, and Darmanitan is almost necessary, and stall is not very easy to play correctly. The mons you mentioned could help boost stall, so the do need attention.
Mmm, well it's difficult to comment on. Centralization, frankly, is probably inevitable on a statistical level because of the small number of people and therefore teams. I've made teams and had success with and without one of those five pokemon, and they aren't the first five I would list as most necessary. From each of our limited perspectives different pokemon might appear to be "almost necessary," simply because they haven't faced a wide enough array of opponents. What does seem common to our limited experiences is that stall is no good.

The true degree of centralization relative to Standard OU is impossible to determine unless DM's playerbase equals Standard's. But I think it must be less centralized since UU, RU, and NU pokes were preferentially buffed (yes there are a few oddballs that need adjusting like Keldeo and Mew getting better buffs than Cofagrigus and Sigilyph). Most of all weather was pulled back significantly, although perhaps not enough yet.

Sawsbuck can pull of an Extreme Killer set and can even actually use Chlorophyll (I know it's shocking, I forgot about it too.) Ain't nothing outspeeding it in Sun....Giving Escavalier Bullet Punch kinda made it encroach on Scizor's territory, and Edgequake (well, Drilledge) was really a bit much.
Chlorophyll gives a x1.5 boost now. Anything with a scarf and 102 or more speed can outspeed it. As for Escavalier, yeah it got good buffs. It's RU.
 
My point was that a lot of the things fast enough to outspeed it in Sun aren't the kind of things that could take an ExtremeSpeed. As for Escavalier, we ARE talking about something stronger and bulkier than Scizor.
 
My point was that a lot of the things fast enough to outspeed it in Sun aren't the kind of things that could take an ExtremeSpeed. As for Escavalier, we ARE talking about something stronger and bulkier than Scizor.
Pretty sure Crobat, Aerodactyl, Scyther, Gengar, Durant, the Musketeers (minus Viriz maybe), Sawk, Primeape, Archeops, and Leavany aren't OHKO'd by unboosted Xspeed. Now at +2 it's a different matter, but my point wasn't that the best way to handle ChloroSawsbuck was more speed, just pointing out that "ain't nothing outspeeding under sun" was incorrect.

It's debatable if Escavalier is "stronger" than Technician Scizor. Scizor also gets U-turn and Roost and outspeeds about 19% more pokes without investment and quite a few more with investment. I agree that Escavalier is good. I don't agree that it is one of five "almost necessary" pokemon.
 
I worry that not a lot of people have seen that the server was moved. Also, if you're considering removing some changes, why not re-nerf Explosion? I personally feel that it doesn't really promote skillful play.
 
When it comes to Explosion, I think the Gen 4 Mechanics were much more promotive of its use and should be revived, but that's just my opinion I suppose.
 
Haven't played in a while, but have been poking at my BST formula periodically and I think it's in a pretty good form now. Physical bulk is the square root of the product of uninvested HP and uninvested Def, similarly for special bulk. Attack is the higher uninvested attacking stat multiplied by a factor related to the lower uninvested attacking stat. Speed is the highest uninvested speed in the tier (electrode's 336) multiplied by the speed percentile of the pokemon.

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<th>Pokemon</th>
<th>Physical Bulk</th>
<th>Special Bulk</th>
<th>Attacking</th>
<th>Speed</th>
<th>Total</th>
</tr>
<tr><td>	Meloetta-P	</td><td>	271.4	</td><td>	254.5	</td><td>	292.0	</td><td>	322.2	</td><td>	1140.2	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Tornadus-T	</td><td>	235.8	</td><td>	254.1	</td><td>	295.2	</td><td>	318.2	</td><td>	1103.4	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Terrakion	</td><td>	264.1	</td><td>	264.1	</td><td>	294.0	</td><td>	273.2	</td><td>	1095.4	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Keldeo	</td><td>	264.1	</td><td>	264.1	</td><td>	294.0	</td><td>	273.2	</td><td>	1095.4	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Tornadus	</td><td>	229.4	</td><td>	242.1	</td><td>	327.2	</td><td>	296.7	</td><td>	1095.4	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Thundurus	</td><td>	229.4	</td><td>	242.1	</td><td>	327.2	</td><td>	296.7	</td><td>	1095.4	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Virizion	</td><td>	241.1	</td><td>	308.2	</td><td>	259.2	</td><td>	273.2	</td><td>	1081.6	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Cobalion	</td><td>	308.2	</td><td>	241.1	</td><td>	259.2	</td><td>	273.2	</td><td>	1081.6	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Landorus	</td><td>	262.5	</td><td>	250.0	</td><td>	327.2	</td><td>	236.2	</td><td>	1076.0	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Durant	</td><td>	279.7	</td><td>	224.9	</td><td>	276.0	</td><td>	284.9	</td><td>	1065.6	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Mew	</td><td>	283.7	</td><td>	283.7	</td><td>	283.2	</td><td>	209.0	</td><td>	1059.6	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Victini	</td><td>	283.7	</td><td>	283.7	</td><td>	283.2	</td><td>	209.0	</td><td>	1059.6	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Tauros	</td><td>	256.4	</td><td>	213.1	</td><td>	296.0	</td><td>	286.9	</td><td>	1052.5	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Watchog	</td><td>	252.4	</td><td>	252.4	</td><td>	271.2	</td><td>	273.2	</td><td>	1049.1	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Hydreigon	</td><td>	263.3	</td><td>	263.3	</td><td>	311.2	</td><td>	209.0	</td><td>	1046.8	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Genesect	</td><td>	252.9	</td><td>	252.9	</td><td>	331.2	</td><td>	205.0	</td><td>	1042.0	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Crobat	</td><td>	246.9	</td><td>	246.9	</td><td>	227.2	</td><td>	324.2	</td><td>	1045.2	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Scyther	</td><td>	249.0	</td><td>	249.0	</td><td>	256.0	</td><td>	286.9	</td><td>	1041.0	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Zebstrika	</td><td>	217.1	</td><td>	217.1	</td><td>	295.2	</td><td>	310.5	</td><td>	1039.9	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Espeon	</td><td>	205.6	</td><td>	247.5	</td><td>	296.0	</td><td>	286.9	</td><td>	1036.0	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Leavanny	</td><td>	241.4	</td><td>	267.4	</td><td>	275.2	</td><td>	252.0	</td><td>	1036.0	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Thundurus-T	</td><td>	229.4	</td><td>	242.1	</td><td>	327.2	</td><td>	236.2	</td><td>	1034.9	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Cryogonal	</td><td>	242.9	</td><td>	308.4	</td><td>	226.0	</td><td>	255.7	</td><td>	1033.0	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Jolteon	</td><td>	205.6	</td><td>	247.5	</td><td>	256.0	</td><td>	324.2	</td><td>	1033.3	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Sawk	</td><td>	242.9	</td><td>	242.9	</td><td>	286.0	</td><td>	255.7	</td><td>	1027.5	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Aerodactyl	</td><td>	223.5	</td><td>	236.6	</td><td>	246.0	</td><td>	324.2	</td><td>	1030.4	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Raticate	</td><td>	234.7	</td><td>	234.7	</td><td>	246.0	</td><td>	310.5	</td><td>	1025.8	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Alakazam	</td><td>	177.8	</td><td>	227.4	</td><td>	306.0	</td><td>	310.5	</td><td>	1021.7	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Leafeon	</td><td>	205.6	</td><td>	212.1	</td><td>	283.2	</td><td>	324.2	</td><td>	1025.2	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Persian	</td><td>	232.6	</td><td>	232.6	</td><td>	251.2	</td><td>	304.4	</td><td>	1020.9	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Simipour	</td><td>	275.2	</td><td>	281.0	</td><td>	227.2	</td><td>	236.2	</td><td>	1019.7	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Meloetta-A	</td><td>	254.5	</td><td>	315.6	</td><td>	292.0	</td><td>	156.2	</td><td>	1018.3	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Landorus-T	</td><td>	262.5	</td><td>	250.0	</td><td>	327.2	</td><td>	177.7	</td><td>	1017.5	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Archeops	</td><td>	219.8	</td><td>	219.8	</td><td>	306.0	</td><td>	271.5	</td><td>	1017.1	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Zapdos	</td><td>	257.1	</td><td>	263.3	</td><td>	287.2	</td><td>	209.0	</td><td>	1016.7	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Primeape	</td><td>	252.1	</td><td>	252.1	</td><td>	256.0	</td><td>	255.7	</td><td>	1015.8	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Scolipede 	</td><td>	242.9	</td><td>	213.1	</td><td>	256.0	</td><td>	300.7	</td><td>	1012.7	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Starmie	</td><td>	231.9	</td><td>	231.9	</td><td>	243.2	</td><td>	304.4	</td><td>	1011.4	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Haxorus	</td><td>	251.6	</td><td>	227.1	</td><td>	330.0	</td><td>	199.2	</td><td>	1007.9	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Serperior	</td><td>	246.4	</td><td>	254.2	</td><td>	255.2	</td><td>	252.0	</td><td>	1007.8	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Electrode	</td><td>	214.3	</td><td>	226.2	</td><td>	236.0	</td><td>	334.0	</td><td>	1010.5	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Gengar	</td><td>	201.8	</td><td>	220.3	</td><td>	296.0	</td><td>	286.9	</td><td>	1005.1	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Liepard	</td><td>	234.7	</td><td>	228.6	</td><td>	271.2	</td><td>	269.5	</td><td>	1004.0	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Pidgeot	</td><td>	241.3	</td><td>	241.3	</td><td>	271.2	</td><td>	250.0	</td><td>	1003.7	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Accelgor	</td><td>	208.9	</td><td>	208.9	</td><td>	256.0	</td><td>	332.0	</td><td>	1005.8	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Cinccino	</td><td>	213.1	</td><td>	213.1	</td><td>	256.0	</td><td>	320.2	</td><td>	1002.3	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Volcarona	</td><td>	227.2	</td><td>	276.6	</td><td>	286.0	</td><td>	209.0	</td><td>	998.8	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Krookodile	</td><td>	241.4	</td><td>	241.4	</td><td>	276.0	</td><td>	236.2	</td><td>	994.9	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Dodrio	</td><td>	209.4	</td><td>	222.4	</td><td>	276.0	</td><td>	286.9	</td><td>	994.7	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Keldeo-R	</td><td>	248.1	</td><td>	248.1	</td><td>	319.2	</td><td>	177.7	</td><td>	993.2	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Mienshao	</td><td>	205.6	</td><td>	236.3	</td><td>	295.2	</td><td>	255.7	</td><td>	992.8	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Excadrill	</td><td>	237.3	</td><td>	237.3	</td><td>	306.0	</td><td>	209.0	</td><td>	989.6	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Butterfree	</td><td>	216.7	</td><td>	255.0	</td><td>	256.0	</td><td>	255.7	</td><td>	983.4	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Zoroark	</td><td>	209.4	</td><td>	209.4	</td><td>	307.2	</td><td>	255.7	</td><td>	981.6	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Articuno	</td><td>	275.2	</td><td>	303.0	</td><td>	255.2	</td><td>	148.2	</td><td>	981.6	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Bellossom	</td><td>	244.8	</td><td>	283.4	</td><td>	243.2	</td><td>	209.0	</td><td>	980.4	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Moltres	</td><td>	263.3	</td><td>	257.1	</td><td>	303.2	</td><td>	156.2	</td><td>	979.9	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Porygon2*	</td><td>	317.4	</td><td>	338.8	</td><td>	258.4	</td><td>	64.2	</td><td>	978.8	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Galvantula	</td><td>	213.1	</td><td>	226.3	</td><td>	266.0	</td><td>	273.2	</td><td>	978.5	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Vileplume	</td><td>	244.8	</td><td>	250.7	</td><td>	276.8	</td><td>	205.0	</td><td>	977.3	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Dragonite	</td><td>	270.2	</td><td>	276.1	</td><td>	310.4	</td><td>	116.9	</td><td>	973.6	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Charizard	</td><td>	222.2	</td><td>	249.0	</td><td>	293.6	</td><td>	209.0	</td><td>	973.8	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Whimsicott	</td><td>	231.9	</td><td>	220.3	</td><td>	210.4	</td><td>	308.4	</td><td>	971.1	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Beedrill	</td><td>	255.0	</td><td>	216.7	</td><td>	286.0	</td><td>	209.0	</td><td>	966.7	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Arcanine	</td><td>	250.8	</td><td>	250.8	</td><td>	279.2	</td><td>	183.5	</td><td>	964.3	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Alomomola	</td><td>	303.8	</td><td>	253.1	</td><td>	196.0	</td><td>	209.0	</td><td>	961.9	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Hitmonlee	</td><td>	223.3	</td><td>	305.6	</td><td>	276.0	</td><td>	154.2	</td><td>	959.0	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Gyarados	</td><td>	253.4	</td><td>	279.5	</td><td>	286.0	</td><td>	138.4	</td><td>	957.3	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Tentacruel	</td><td>	230.8	</td><td>	297.7	</td><td>	219.2	</td><td>	209.0	</td><td>	956.7	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Rapidash	</td><td>	218.4	</td><td>	230.5	</td><td>	251.2	</td><td>	255.7	</td><td>	955.8	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Beartic	</td><td>	279.2	</td><td>	272.7	</td><td>	286.0	</td><td>	116.9	</td><td>	954.9	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Darmanitan-Z	</td><td>	293.8	</td><td>	293.8	</td><td>	316.0	</td><td>	50.7	</td><td>	954.4	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Electivire	</td><td>	222.4	</td><td>	244.8	</td><td>	302.0	</td><td>	183.5	</td><td>	952.7	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Darmanitan	</td><td>	226.4	</td><td>	226.4	</td><td>	316.0	</td><td>	183.5	</td><td>	952.2	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Arbok	</td><td>	250.7	</td><td>	244.8	</td><td>	250.0	</td><td>	202.9	</td><td>	948.5	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Flareon	</td><td>	205.6	</td><td>	263.4	</td><td>	296.0	</td><td>	183.5	</td><td>	948.5	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Sawsbuck	</td><td>	209.4	</td><td>	234.7	</td><td>	264.0	</td><td>	236.2	</td><td>	944.3	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Simisage	</td><td>	217.1	</td><td>	217.1	</td><td>	271.2	</td><td>	236.2	</td><td>	941.7	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Simisear	</td><td>	217.1	</td><td>	217.1	</td><td>	271.2	</td><td>	236.2	</td><td>	941.7	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Vanilluxe	</td><td>	249.0	</td><td>	260.8	</td><td>	275.2	</td><td>	156.2	</td><td>	941.3	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Mr. Mime	</td><td>	249.0	</td><td>	298.5	</td><td>	236.0	</td><td>	156.2	</td><td>	939.7	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Nidoking	</td><td>	255.8	</td><td>	255.8	</td><td>	240.0	</td><td>	183.5	</td><td>	935.1	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Kangaskhan	</td><td>	262.3	</td><td>	262.3	</td><td>	226.0	</td><td>	183.5	</td><td>	934.0	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Dugtrio	</td><td>	181.0	</td><td>	206.0	</td><td>	236.0	</td><td>	310.5	</td><td>	933.5	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Marowak*	</td><td>	272.9	</td><td>	244.8	</td><td>	392.0	</td><td>	25.2	</td><td>	935.0	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Porygon-Z	</td><td>	222.4	</td><td>	228.6	</td><td>	326.0	</td><td>	156.2	</td><td>	933.2	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Kingdra	</td><td>	256.4	</td><td>	256.4	</td><td>	271.2	</td><td>	148.2	</td><td>	932.3	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Magmortar	</td><td>	222.4	</td><td>	256.4	</td><td>	306.0	</td><td>	146.5	</td><td>	931.4	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Venusaur	</td><td>	256.8	</td><td>	270.9	</td><td>	259.2	</td><td>	142.5	</td><td>	929.4	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Parasect	</td><td>	296.7	</td><td>	267.4	</td><td>	246.0	</td><td>	116.9	</td><td>	927.0	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Kingler	</td><td>	268.2	</td><td>	219.8	</td><td>	296.0	</td><td>	142.5	</td><td>	926.5	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Glaceon	</td><td>	212.1	</td><td>	205.6	</td><td>	323.2	</td><td>	183.5	</td><td>	924.4	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Raichu	</td><td>	224.5	</td><td>	230.5	</td><td>	259.2	</td><td>	209.0	</td><td>	923.2	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Braviary	</td><td>	251.8	</td><td>	237.9	</td><td>	276.0	</td><td>	156.2	</td><td>	922.0	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Hitmonchan	</td><td>	260.9	</td><td>	299.8	</td><td>	246.0	</td><td>	113.2	</td><td>	919.9	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Ninetales	</td><td>	236.6	</td><td>	266.5	</td><td>	207.2	</td><td>	209.0	</td><td>	919.3	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Golduck	</td><td>	240.4	</td><td>	242.9	</td><td>	283.2	</td><td>	148.2	</td><td>	914.7	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Sigilyph	</td><td>	236.3	</td><td>	236.3	</td><td>	242.0	</td><td>	199.2	</td><td>	913.9	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Nidoqueen	</td><td>	267.4	</td><td>	267.4	</td><td>	240.0	</td><td>	138.4	</td><td>	913.2	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Bouffalant	</td><td>	285.6	</td><td>	285.6	</td><td>	286.0	</td><td>	50.7	</td><td>	908.0	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Pinsir	</td><td>	266.5	</td><td>	255.0	</td><td>	276.0	</td><td>	109.2	</td><td>	906.7	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Emboar	</td><td>	288.1	</td><td>	244.8	</td><td>	282.0	</td><td>	91.7	</td><td>	906.7	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Rhyperior	</td><td>	331.4	</td><td>	232.7	</td><td>	316.0	</td><td>	25.2	</td><td>	905.3	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Lilligant	</td><td>	238.8	</td><td>	238.8	</td><td>	266.0	</td><td>	156.2	</td><td>	899.9	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Swoobat	</td><td>	200.4	</td><td>	200.4	</td><td>	196.0	</td><td>	302.7	</td><td>	899.5	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Seismitoad	</td><td>	266.0	</td><td>	266.0	</td><td>	259.2	</td><td>	107.2	</td><td>	898.4	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Hypno	</td><td>	263.4	</td><td>	282.4	</td><td>	232.0	</td><td>	116.9	</td><td>	894.7	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Samurott	</td><td>	261.1	</td><td>	241.4	</td><td>	273.6	</td><td>	116.9	</td><td>	893.0	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Lapras	</td><td>	280.3	</td><td>	301.0	</td><td>	247.2	</td><td>	64.2	</td><td>	892.8	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Stoutland	</td><td>	259.2	</td><td>	259.2	</td><td>	256.0	</td><td>	116.9	</td><td>	891.3	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Vaporeon	</td><td>	250.1	</td><td>	301.0	</td><td>	256.0	</td><td>	82.0	</td><td>	889.1	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Chandelure	</td><td>	237.4	</td><td>	237.4	</td><td>	296.0	</td><td>	116.9	</td><td>	887.8	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Clefable	</td><td>	272.2	</td><td>	334.6	</td><td>	216.0	</td><td>	64.2	</td><td>	887.0	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Wigglytuff	</td><td>	334.6	</td><td>	272.2	</td><td>	216.0	</td><td>	64.2	</td><td>	887.0	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Mandibuzz	</td><td>	298.0	</td><td>	285.6	</td><td>	183.2	</td><td>	116.9	</td><td>	883.8	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Poliwrath	</td><td>	269.3	</td><td>	250.8	</td><td>	296.0	</td><td>	64.2	</td><td>	880.4	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Unfezant	</td><td>	242.9	</td><td>	209.6	</td><td>	246.0	</td><td>	181.4	</td><td>	880.0	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Magnezone	</td><td>	273.4	</td><td>	246.4	</td><td>	296.0	</td><td>	64.2	</td><td>	879.9	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Klinklang	</td><td>	263.5	</td><td>	231.9	</td><td>	227.2	</td><td>	156.2	</td><td>	878.8	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Blastoise	</td><td>	288.4	</td><td>	288.4	</td><td>	236.8	</td><td>	64.2	</td><td>	877.9	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Snorlax	</td><td>	276.6	</td><td>	343.5	</td><td>	256.0	</td><td>	5.7	</td><td>	881.9	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Umbreon	</td><td>	291.1	</td><td>	313.0	</td><td>	191.2	</td><td>	82.0	</td><td>	877.3	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Blissey	</td><td>	190.9	</td><td>	446.3	</td><td>	216.0	</td><td>	25.2	</td><td>	878.5	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Conkeldurr	</td><td>	281.6	</td><td>	241.4	</td><td>	316.0	</td><td>	39.0	</td><td>	878.0	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Bisharp	</td><td>	273.4	</td><td>	222.4	</td><td>	286.0	</td><td>	91.7	</td><td>	873.5	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Machamp	</td><td>	258.5	</td><td>	265.0	</td><td>	296.0	</td><td>	50.7	</td><td>	870.3	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Scizor	</td><td>	257.5	</td><td>	234.7	</td><td>	296.0	</td><td>	82.0	</td><td>	870.2	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Garbodor	</td><td>	270.9	</td><td>	259.2	</td><td>	247.2	</td><td>	91.7	</td><td>	869.0	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Jynx	</td><td>	169.5	</td><td>	247.5	</td><td>	266.0	</td><td>	183.5	</td><td>	866.4	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Gigalith	</td><td>	303.4	</td><td>	259.2	</td><td>	306.0	</td><td>	1.7	</td><td>	870.3	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Swanna	</td><td>	236.3	</td><td>	245.8	</td><td>	268.0	</td><td>	115.2	</td><td>	865.4	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Pikachu*	</td><td>	142.3	</td><td>	156.4	</td><td>	410.3	</td><td>	156.2	</td><td>	865.3	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Sandslash	</td><td>	266.5	</td><td>	242.9	</td><td>	246.0	</td><td>	109.2	</td><td>	864.6	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Weezing	</td><td>	323.4	</td><td>	254.7	</td><td>	243.2	</td><td>	42.7	</td><td>	864.0	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Carracosta	</td><td>	285.5	</td><td>	205.4	</td><td>	281.6	</td><td>	91.7	</td><td>	864.2	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Tangrowth	</td><td>	312.3	</td><td>	215.4	</td><td>	291.2	</td><td>	42.7	</td><td>	861.5	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Victreebel	</td><td>	223.5	</td><td>	216.7	</td><td>	299.2	</td><td>	116.9	</td><td>	856.4	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Eelektross	</td><td>	246.9	</td><td>	246.9	</td><td>	319.2	</td><td>	42.7	</td><td>	855.7	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Exeggutor	</td><td>	263.3	</td><td>	263.3	</td><td>	304.8	</td><td>	25.2	</td><td>	856.6	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Seaking	</td><td>	249.0	</td><td>	249.0	</td><td>	266.0	</td><td>	89.7	</td><td>	853.7	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Golurk	</td><td>	272.9	</td><td>	244.8	</td><td>	284.0	</td><td>	50.7	</td><td>	852.5	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Escavalier	</td><td>	262.9	</td><td>	262.9	</td><td>	306.0	</td><td>	21.2	</td><td>	853.0	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Kabutops	</td><td>	253.4	</td><td>	214.3	</td><td>	266.0	</td><td>	116.9	</td><td>	850.6	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Throh	</td><td>	271.4	</td><td>	295.5	</td><td>	246.0	</td><td>	39.0	</td><td>	851.8	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Gothitelle	</td><td>	252.0	</td><td>	268.2	</td><td>	236.0	</td><td>	91.7	</td><td>	847.9	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Politoed	</td><td>	244.3	</td><td>	275.2	</td><td>	235.2	</td><td>	91.7	</td><td>	846.5	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Drifblim	</td><td>	233.8	</td><td>	252.0	</td><td>	243.2	</td><td>	116.9	</td><td>	846.0	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Chansey*	</td><td>	210.3	</td><td>	486.3	</td><td>	106.0	</td><td>	42.7	</td><td>	845.3	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Dewgong	</td><td>	253.1	</td><td>	303.4	</td><td>	223.2	</td><td>	64.2	</td><td>	843.9	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Fearow	</td><td>	212.1	</td><td>	206.9	</td><td>	216.0	</td><td>	209.0	</td><td>	844.0	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Muk	</td><td>	281.6	</td><td>	262.3	</td><td>	263.2	</td><td>	37.0	</td><td>	844.1	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Golem	</td><td>	308.2	</td><td>	247.0	</td><td>	256.0	</td><td>	25.2	</td><td>	836.4	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Cloyster	</td><td>	308.9	</td><td>	174.3	</td><td>	255.2	</td><td>	91.7	</td><td>	830.1	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Musharna	</td><td>	277.2	</td><td>	302.9	</td><td>	250.0	</td><td>	3.7	</td><td>	833.8	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Lickilicky	</td><td>	291.9	</td><td>	291.9	</td><td>	239.2	</td><td>	5.7	</td><td>	828.7	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Omastar	</td><td>	283.5	</td><td>	222.4	</td><td>	266.0	</td><td>	50.7	</td><td>	822.6	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Heatmor	</td><td>	228.6	</td><td>	228.6	</td><td>	282.4	</td><td>	82.0	</td><td>	821.5	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Reuniclus	</td><td>	259.1	</td><td>	272.7	</td><td>	286.0	</td><td>	5.7	</td><td>	823.5	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Crustle	</td><td>	283.5	</td><td>	257.5	</td><td>	226.0	</td><td>	50.7	</td><td>	817.7	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Druddigon	</td><td>	260.8	</td><td>	260.8	</td><td>	276.0	</td><td>	21.2	</td><td>	818.8	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Scrafty	</td><td>	268.5	</td><td>	268.5	</td><td>	216.0	</td><td>	62.5	</td><td>	815.5	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Venomoth	</td><td>	209.4	</td><td>	228.6	</td><td>	219.2	</td><td>	156.2	</td><td>	813.4	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Jellicent	</td><td>	251.8	</td><td>	289.6	</td><td>	207.2	</td><td>	64.2	</td><td>	812.9	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Steelix	</td><td>	356.2	</td><td>	238.8	</td><td>	206.0	</td><td>	5.7	</td><td>	806.7	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Hitmontop	</td><td>	233.4	</td><td>	248.4	</td><td>	226.0	</td><td>	91.7	</td><td>	799.5	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Beheeyem	</td><td>	232.6	</td><td>	256.4	</td><td>	286.0	</td><td>	25.2	</td><td>	800.3	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Ferrothorn	</td><td>	293.5	</td><td>	278.3	</td><td>	224.0	</td><td>	0.0	</td><td>	795.8	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Stunfisk	</td><td>	270.6	</td><td>	289.8	</td><td>	213.6	</td><td>	19.5	</td><td>	793.5	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Slowking	</td><td>	254.7	</td><td>	291.1	</td><td>	243.2	</td><td>	5.7	</td><td>	794.7	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Slowbro	</td><td>	291.1	</td><td>	254.7	</td><td>	243.2	</td><td>	5.7	</td><td>	794.7	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Amoonguss	</td><td>	254.8	</td><td>	268.9	</td><td>	247.2	</td><td>	5.7	</td><td>	776.7	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Cofagrigus	</td><td>	289.5	</td><td>	251.4	</td><td>	226.0	</td><td>	5.7	</td><td>	772.6	</td></tr>
<tr><td>	Ditto	</td><td>	185.6	</td><td>	185.6	</td><td>	158.4	</td><td>	42.0	</td><td>	571.6	</td></tr>
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Edit how do I shot HTML? Well here is a list of the totals.

  1. 1140.2 Meloetta-P
  2. 1103.4 Tornadus-T
  3. 1095.4 Terrakion
  4. 1095.4 Keldeo
  5. 1095.4 Tornadus
  6. 1095.4 Thundurus
  7. 1081.6 Virizion
  8. 1081.6 Cobalion
  9. 1076.0 Landorus
  10. 1065.6 Durant
  11. 1059.6 Mew
  12. 1059.6 Victini
  13. 1052.5 Tauros
  14. 1049.1 Watchog
  15. 1046.8 Hydreigon
  16. 1042.0 Genesect
  17. 1045.2 Crobat
  18. 1041.0 Scyther
  19. 1039.9 Zebstrika
  20. 1036.0 Espeon
  21. 1036.0 Leavanny
  22. 1034.9 Thundurus-T
  23. 1033.0 Cryogonal
  24. 1033.3 Jolteon
  25. 1027.5 Sawk
  26. 1030.4 Aerodactyl
  27. 1025.8 Raticate
  28. 1021.7 Alakazam
  29. 1025.2 Leafeon
  30. 1020.9 Persian
  31. 1019.7 Simipour
  32. 1018.3 Meloetta-A
  33. 1017.5 Landorus-T
  34. 1017.1 Archeops
  35. 1016.7 Zapdos
  36. 1015.8 Primeape
  37. 1012.7 Scolipede
  38. 1011.4 Starmie
  39. 1007.9 Haxorus
  40. 1007.8 Serperior
  41. 1010.5 Electrode
  42. 1005.1 Gengar
  43. 1004.0 Liepard
  44. 1003.7 Pidgeot
  45. 1005.8 Accelgor
  46. 1002.3 Cinccino
  47. 998.8 Volcarona
  48. 994.9 Krookodile
  49. 994.7 Dodrio
  50. 993.2 Keldeo-R
  51. 992.8 Mienshao
  52. 989.6 Excadrill
  53. 983.4 Butterfree
  54. 981.6 Zoroark
  55. 981.6 Articuno
  56. 980.4 Bellossom
  57. 979.9 Moltres
  58. 978.8 Porygon2*
  59. 978.5 Galvantula
  60. 977.3 Vileplume
  61. 973.6 Dragonite
  62. 973.8 Charizard
  63. 971.1 Whimsicott
  64. 966.7 Beedrill
  65. 964.3 Arcanine
  66. 961.9 Alomomola
  67. 959.0 Hitmonlee
  68. 957.3 Gyarados
  69. 956.7 Tentacruel
  70. 955.8 Rapidash
  71. 954.9 Beartic
  72. 954.4 Darmanitan-Z
  73. 952.7 Electivire
  74. 952.2 Darmanitan
  75. 948.5 Arbok
  76. 948.5 Flareon
  77. 944.3 Sawsbuck
  78. 941.7 Simisage
  79. 941.7 Simisear
  80. 941.3 Vanilluxe
  81. 939.7 Mr. Mime
  82. 935.1 Nidoking
  83. 934.0 Kangaskhan
  84. 933.5 Dugtrio
  85. 935.0 Marowak*
  86. 933.2 Porygon-Z
  87. 932.3 Kingdra
  88. 931.4 Magmortar
  89. 929.4 Venusaur
  90. 927.0 Parasect
  91. 926.5 Kingler
  92. 924.4 Glaceon
  93. 923.2 Raichu
  94. 922.0 Braviary
  95. 919.9 Hitmonchan
  96. 919.3 Ninetales
  97. 914.7 Golduck
  98. 913.9 Sigilyph
  99. 913.2 Nidoqueen
  100. 908.0 Bouffalant
  101. 906.7 Pinsir
  102. 906.7 Emboar
  103. 905.3 Rhyperior
  104. 899.9 Lilligant
  105. 899.5 Swoobat
  106. 898.4 Seismitoad
  107. 894.7 Hypno
  108. 893.0 Samurott
  109. 892.8 Lapras
  110. 891.3 Stoutland
  111. 889.1 Vaporeon
  112. 887.8 Chandelure
  113. 887.0 Clefable
  114. 887.0 Wigglytuff
  115. 883.8 Mandibuzz
  116. 880.4 Poliwrath
  117. 880.0 Unfezant
  118. 879.9 Magnezone
  119. 878.8 Klinklang
  120. 877.9 Blastoise
  121. 881.9 Snorlax
  122. 877.3 Umbreon
  123. 878.5 Blissey
  124. 878.0 Conkeldurr
  125. 873.5 Bisharp
  126. 870.3 Machamp
  127. 870.2 Scizor
  128. 869.0 Garbodor
  129. 866.4 Jynx
  130. 870.3 Gigalith
  131. 865.4 Swanna
  132. 865.3 Pikachu*
  133. 864.6 Sandslash
  134. 864.0 Weezing
  135. 864.2 Carracosta
  136. 861.5 Tangrowth
  137. 856.4 Victreebel
  138. 855.7 Eelektross
  139. 856.6 Exeggutor
  140. 853.7 Seaking
  141. 852.5 Golurk
  142. 853.0 Escavalier
  143. 850.6 Kabutops
  144. 851.8 Throh
  145. 847.9 Gothitelle
  146. 846.5 Politoed
  147. 846.0 Drifblim
  148. 845.3 Chansey*
  149. 843.9 Dewgong
  150. 844.0 Fearow
  151. 844.1 Muk
  152. 836.4 Golem
  153. 830.1 Cloyster
  154. 833.8 Musharna
  155. 828.7 Lickilicky
  156. 822.6 Omastar
  157. 821.5 Heatmor
  158. 823.5 Reuniclus
  159. 817.7 Crustle
  160. 818.8 Druddigon
  161. 815.5 Scrafty
  162. 813.4 Venomoth
  163. 812.9 Jellicent
  164. 806.7 Steelix
  165. 799.5 Hitmontop
  166. 800.3 Beheeyem
  167. 795.8 Ferrothorn
  168. 793.5 Stunfisk
  169. 794.7 Slowking
  170. 794.7 Slowbro
  171. 776.7 Amoonguss
  172. 772.6 Cofagrigus
  173. 571.6 Ditto
 

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Alright, I'm reviving this thread. The first post will explain everything, but to put it shortly I've redone the mod and its a lot different now. As a warning, though, there aren't many people who go on the server nowadays so it might take a while to regain the playerbase.
 
Yay this is finally up. Now, this metagame has been on for a couple of months before the thread got changed, so I'm gona list some things to help new people out:
1. Pack a counter for suicune, it didn't appear to get much, but access to reliable recovery allows it to run Crocune much more effectively, and wall almost everything.
2. Hail is a much more major threat, and makes common use of pokemon such as mamoswine, frosslass, and raikou. Don't discount it when teambuilding; either using or preparing for.
3. Quick powder is one of the most useful items in the game, and can make or break a pokemon, due to it's ability to jump speed tiers. Be sure to look out for this when running offense.
 
Yay this is finally up. Now, this metagame has been on for a couple of months before the thread got changed, so I'm gona list some things to help new people out:
1. Pack a counter for suicune, it didn't appear to get much, but access to reliable recovery allows it to run Crocune much more effectively, and wall almost everything.
2. Hail is a much more major threat, and makes common use of pokemon such as mamoswine, frosslass, and raikou. Don't discount it when teambuilding; either using or preparing for.
3. Quick powder is one of the most useful items in the game, and can make or break a pokemon, due to it's ability to jump speed tiers. Be sure to look out for this when running offense.
Just wanted to point out that the classic CroCune is a set of Rest, Sleep Talk, Calm Mind, and Surf (or Scald), and access to recovery doesn't change this set at all.
 

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