Election 2008, United States

[tea_and_blues]

The difference, here, is that you're not talking to specialists in a particular field. Someone who does not understand senatorial versus governmental roles and what they entail needs to listened to, taken note of, and informed. They don't, generally, need to be told that everything they can and will say is necessarily wrong.

Keep in mind that McCain is also one of those morons.

 

[Doctor Heartbreak]

Also, those answers from Obama on science were so prewritten it was hilarious. He could have at least tried to make it sound like he actually thought of the answers himself on the spot.

A - are you seriously suggesting presidential candidates should make up their policy "on the spot"? Of course they're pre-written.

 

[Altmer]

If it said "Gravity falls at 9.86 m/s^2" I would read it despite it being inaccurate. I'm sorry you can't tell the difference.

this could be accurate if you specify where on earth you are

 

[SAN DIEGO SUPER CHARGERS!]

McCain met her once before choosing her. He barely knows her. How on earth is that a sound decision to make her his running mate?

McCain probably chose her because he wants to nail her. Got rid of his first wife for a trophy wife. Now the trophy wife is old and shriveled up, time for something younger.

She hates on polar bears
She supports creationism in schools.
She has a scandal involving firing some guy because someone left her sister.

If she had any right mind, that kid would have been aborted. But god says thou shall not abort children, thus retard baby is alive and wasting oxygen.

She's 44, right? The kid was born in March or May or whatever. Why would she conceive while in office? She shouldn't be opening her legs for anybody as a governor, not even her husband.

That kid probably isn't even hers. People say its a cover up for her 17 year old daughter.

Also, boobs:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/60053005@N00/2810238737/

 

[akuchi]

The genius thing is the rumours that the spaz kid isn't actually hers, it's her 16 year old daughter's...
http://menstrualpoetry.com/pregnant

I can't find the news website with it on, but this makes a fairly reasonable case!

 

[Deck Knight]

Oh, so if someone is wrong on one point, they must be wrong in general? Very shallow argument, Caelum. You shot yourself in the foot if you wanted to come off as superior...

I think you're drastically playing down the role of a senator to score points, although I agree with the gist of your post.

I also liked "failed Bush policies."

Is that you, Barack Obama campaign?

Which Bush policy has "failed."

Is it Iraq? Cause Bush ousted their terrorists supporting thug with a history of chemical warfare, let them set up their own society, and they are set to hand over Anbar Province entirely back to the Iraqis within the week according to the last report I heard.

Barack Obama never even voted on the war he opposes, he wasn't in the Senate at the time, yet at Saddleback he said the decision to oppose the war was the hardest decision he ever had to make. Obama is a huge fucking joke. A Democrat found it hard to oppose a war that was already unpopular when he ran for office? Real gut wrenching, and next he'll tell me throwing Rev. Wright under the bus after Wright uttered "Barack is just another politician" was a gut-wrenching choice too.

How about the economy? Bush dealt with a major terrorist attack right in the heart of the US's economic center in his first term, and a hurricane that wiped out pretty much all of New Orleans. Now people say Bush bungled it, and they have a point to a degree, but Nagin ****ed up first and Blanco sat on her hands while the storm was approaching. The people of LA didn't want to see that happen again, so Blanco got kicked out. "Chocolate City" Nagin is still in, but even if he, unlike Michael Moore and Don Fowler (DNC Delegate)
, probably doesn't want to see New Orleans wiped out again for political advantage. Jindal already gave the evacuation order, and I'm going to bet the National Guard is waiting in the very closest proximity possible without getting swept up in the storm.

Quote from link:

The hurricane’s going to hit New Orleans about the time they [Republican National Convention] start. [Chuckle] The timing is — at least it appears now that it’ll be there Monday. That just demonstrates that God’s on our side. [Laughter] … Everything’s cool.

Back to the economy directly, we had 3.3% Growth in Q2. That's something Barack's favorite audience, our European betters, would die for. Bush has dealt with at least two major economic disasters, and we still never even hit a recession. Heck, we inherited one from Bubba-Bo-Ba Clinton. The current lie being passed around by BO and his agents is that McCain said the economy is strong. McCain didn't say that, he said the fundamentals are strong. That doesn't always translate into a strong economy, but it does mean people are doing what they are supposed to do, and the market is adjusting accordingly.

I also can't believe how gullible some of our more Marxist members are. (Actually, I can, believing in Marxism is a red flag...) They've already posted about how Trig isn't actually hers and about the supposed "scandal." How many 16 year old's have babies with Down's Syndrome? Not many. However, the chance is about 1 in 20 when you have a baby in your 40's.

If she had any right mind, that kid would have been aborted. But god says thou shall not abort children, thus retard baby is alive and wasting oxygen.

This speaks for itself. Should Ancien Regime have been aborted too? After all, he wasn't born perfect and "normal" like you. What other qualifications must one have before Super Chargers considers them worthy? Blonde hair, Blue eyes, and Aryan ancestry? It's idiotic, backward thinking like yours that has enabled the worst monsters in history to come to power and commit genocide on a massive scale.

 

[Misty]

calm down lol

 

[Misty]

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/08/31/america/31reconstruct.php

An inside look at how Palin was chosen.

 

[Caelum]

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/08/31/america/31reconstruct.php

An inside look at how Palin was chosen.

I always hate articles whose source is "unnamed advisor" but I wouldn't be surprised if it were true.

 

[akuchi]

Back to the economy directly, we had 3.3% Growth in Q2. That's something Barack's favorite audience, our European betters, would die for. Bush has dealt with at least two major economic disasters, and we still never even hit a recession. Heck, we inherited one from Bubba-Bo-Ba Clinton. The current lie being passed around by BO and his agents is that McCain said the economy is strong. McCain didn't say that, he said the fundamentals are strong. That doesn't always translate into a strong economy, but it does mean people are doing what they are supposed to do, and the market is adjusting accordingly.

I also can't believe how gullible some of our more Marxist members are. (Actually, I can, believing in Marxism is a red flag...) They've already posted about how Trig isn't actually hers and about the supposed "scandal." How many 16 year old's have babies with Down's Syndrome? Not many. However, the chance is about 1 in 20 when you have a baby in your 40's.

This speaks for itself. Should Ancien Regime have been aborted too? After all, he wasn't born perfect and "normal" like you. What other qualifications must one have before Super Chargers considers them worthy? Blonde hair, Blue eyes, and Aryan ancestry? It's idiotic, backward thinking like yours that has enabled the worst monsters in history to come to power and commit genocide on a massive scale.

lol calm down dear

a quick rebuttal; my mother was a health visitor and knew several women who had Down's kids in their late teens/early twenties, astronomical chances like that do happen [my contraception failed when it had a 0.05% chance], and Iraq has not been a success - illegally occupied, stupid war, far too many people dead. and please don't say it's 'about removing a dictator' because you want to spread the virus of democracy around the planet - I notice the US hasn't done the same in Burma, or Zimbabwe..

and whilst I disagree that the down's kid should have been aborted if the mother didn't want to, I think you'll find you're the one continually asserting your authority; over gays, feminists, marxists....

 

[Garchomp of the Funk]

I also liked "failed Bush policies."

Which Bush policy has "failed."

Homeland security is a joke. The amount of money that this program has wasted on tiny towns in the Midwest that have almost no chance of being attacked. And how many people living in the United States have been killed or injured in a terrorist attack in the last hundred years? Is this number greater than the number of people who have died from easily preventable causes like smoking, or drunk driving, in the last eight years?

Environmental regulation. Completely eviscerated under the Bush Administration. For the sake of your unborn children, and their children, we do need strong environmental policy.

Iraq. We should be helping Georgia, or Tibet, or Zimbabwe, or Sudan. They need us. But instead, we are squandering the lives of our loyal men and women in uniform, just to make a few oil companies richer. And private contractors (Halliburton [cough cough]).

Economic policy. The foreclosure disaster happened because of lax regulation. And we had a surplus when Bush took office. But he erased it with a few tax cuts for the top one percent. And no, trickle-down economics doesn't work. Don't even try to defend it. And look at the value of the dollar. I never thought I'd see the day when the US dollar was pennies away from the Canadian dollar.

Upholding the constitution: Whatever happened to habeas corpus? Or protections against searches and seizures without warrants?

And we seem to have lost our status as a superpower. Say hello to the new China. They certainly don't have habeas corpus there.

Want more? I have plenty of others.


Barack Obama never even voted on the war he opposes

Well, he couldn't have magically changed the past and elected himself to the US Senate to cast that one vote, yes?

A Democrat found it hard to oppose a war that was already unpopular when he ran for office?

Actually, it was hard, because if you announced your opposition to the war, then you would be attacked day and night by conservative vultures trying to portray you as a terrorist America-hater. In other words, you would probably destroy your chances for reelection.

How about the economy? Bush dealt with a major terrorist attack right in the heart of the US's economic center in his first term

How? By tricking the American people to go to war in a country that posed no threat to the United States. By weakening our civil liberties, or destroying environmental laws?

...and a hurricane that wiped out pretty much all of New Orleans.

By ignoring it, or disastrously mismanaging it? Remember those formaldehyde trailers?

Back to the economy directly, we had 3.3% Growth in Q2.

But who benefited from it? Certainly not any normal Americans: adjusted for inflation, the median income actually fell.

Bush has dealt with at least two major economic disasters, and we still never even hit a recession.

Dealt with=was president during? That's about all that you can support. And we are in a recession, and soon we'll have serious stagflation, no matter who the next president is.

Heck, we inherited [the recession] from Bubba-Bo-Ba Clinton [sic].

Contradiction? We aren't in a recession, but we inherited one from Clinton and are presumably still in it?

I also can't believe how gullible some of our more Marxist members are.

I also can't believe how gullible some of our more fascist and theocratic members are. If you call people politically charged names, can I do it too?

(Actually, I can, believing in Marxism is a red flag...)

(Actually, I can, being an evangelical of any religion is a red flag...)

No, this isn't the Obama campaign. But some of your language looks like it is copied verbatim from the Republican playbook. Are you an agent of Dick Cheney? I don't think so. But some of what you say certainly sounds like him.

P.S. to Caelum: Although being a governor is usually more experience than being a Senator, this really only applies when the governor is running a state with a larger population than, say Alaska. And bowing to oil and gas special interests isn't the experience we are looking for.

 

[Darkflagrance]

For failed Bush policies, don't forget No Child Left Behind...

 

[Deck Knight]

No, this isn't the Obama campaign. But some of your language looks like it is copied verbatim from the Republican playbook. Are you an agent of Dick Cheney? I don't think so. But some of what you say certainly sounds like him.

P.S. to Caelum: Although being a governor is usually more experience than being a Senator, this really only applies when the governor is running a state with a larger population than, say Alaska. And bowing to oil and gas special interests isn't the experience we are looking for.

Almost all of your language comes from the Obama campaign talking points memo.

Bowing to Big Abortion, Big Labor, and Big Sodomy [studies prove by adding "Big" to the front of an industry or interest makes them 20x more menacing] are hardly growing praises. Oh right, I forgot, when they support liberal causes, like investment in unproven alternative energy over proven sources, infanticide, and single-payer healthcare that ignores the sick but sounds nice on paper, its "caring for the common good."

And please, Obama was asked what the hardest moral decision of his life was, and he answered "to oppose the Iraq War." You'd think with all his personal strife and history, something less blatantly political might get top billing. His calculated political answer is pathetic, and your mindnumbingly moronic justification referencing "the right wing attack machine" is hilarious. Poor Barack Obama, the pure lamb who was so wrenched trying to decide if he would oppose an unpopular war. He agonized over it for days.... he knew the attacks would come, and they would be brutal. Why they... they might link him to the Democratic Party (DUN DUN DUUUUNNNNN)! Lord knows that was a tough bind to be in during 2004.

Sarah Palin just got announced as VP, and already the "left wing slime machine" have insinuated her Down's Baby is just a cover-up for her daughter and all sorts of other vile, repulsive rumors. People get attacked in politics all the time, and Barack Obama is hardly the innocent lamb just going out and trying to bring "new politics." He's an enforcer for the Chicago Political machine, as dirty a politician that has come around in a long time. Rev. Wright, Fr. Phleger, William Ayers, Bernadine Dohrn, and Tony Rezko all seem to come from Barack's little neighborhood. For such a "new politics guy," he sure comes from a rough neighborhood, and he seems to know all the worst players... as friends. I know of no other neighborhood with such a density of unrepentant terrorists, racist thugs, and land deal fixers, and certainly none where a Chosen One would emerge from.

The rest of it isn't worth responding to. Let's just say anyone who still tries and float the Halliburton balloon is out of their mind. I might as well be trying to explain reason to a Daily Kos reader. The Economy goes up and down, and there is only so much a president can do about it anyway, so I'm only blaming Clinton insofar as people go with President = Economy meme. About the only thing the President can do is alter tax policy. Every economic report is always a mixed bag. But only the Democrats run on a doomsayer ticket. The Economy is always bad in Democrat rhetoric, and only the government can help, so the rhetoric goes. The Democrats are no longer the party of John Fitzgerald Kennedy, they are the party of Barack Obama: Ask not what you can do for your country, ask what your government can do for you. Education? Entrust to government. Environment? Entrust to government. Health Care? Entrust to government. Child Care? Entrust to government. Entire Home Protection? Entrust to government, as you cannot be trusted with firearms.

Oh, and No Child Left Behind was a horrible failure. It was also a bipartisan bill. My reasoning for why it failed: Public Education is just a boondoggle for the government. As long as the Teachers' Unions control the system and push for pay instead of performance, the public schools will always be a failing system begging for more cash inputs without more performance outputs. The solution is to put performance back into the system with school vouchers. It worked in Washington D.C. and has worked in several places in Canada. Most city leaders don't want to be noted for their crap schools, but when all the schools in the next 3 towns are crap, there isn't any motivation to do anything but keep feeding the system. Barack Obama knows all about feeding corrupt systems, he's an expert in talking about change without bringing it. He's the last man we need running our country.

 

[SAN DIEGO SUPER CHARGERS!]

I hate the gooks. I will hate them as long as I live.

1 more,

Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly?
Because her father is Janet Reno.

Both McCain quotes.

 

[obi]

(protip: the rich got more in tax cuts because they pay more, the top 1% of earners pay about 40% of the taxes, and the top 50% of earners pay 97.1% of taxes - we actually have VERY progressive taxation lol)

This is misleading. It's possible for such a tax scheme you laid out to actually be regressive, and that's because wealth is not evenly distributed. A flat tax would have the top 1% paying more than 1% of total taxation because they are making more than 1% of the income (that's why they are at the top).

In the U.S., the top 1% control about 40% of the nation's wealth, the top 10% control about 70% of the nation's wealth, and so on. It ends up following the amount they pay in taxes rather closely, leading to a far less progressive system than you are implying.

You know what really blows? I just found out yesterday that I've been using the word "myriad" wrong for 25 years. There's never an "a" preceding it, nor an "of" following it. It's a standalone word, whereas your sentence would properly read:

"...since there's myriad reasons for wanting to abort."

You can say "a myriad", "a myriad of", or "myriad". Myriad originally referred to a set number (10,000). Using "a myriad" nowadays is similar to saying "a zillion". Alternately, myriad can be used similar to "many". That being said, you would say "there are", not "there's", so the full sentence would be:

"...since there are myriad reasons for wanting to abort."

 

[Misty]

I am going to make something clear: THIS IS NOT FIREBOT. If you troll, you will get infracted. If you make funny comments, you will be deleted.

 

[akuchi]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7592636.stm

well, Bristol is up the spout [possibly for the second time].. I find it very disturbing that Palin has stated that Bristol WILL keep the child and marry the father - does the girl not get a say in this?
Not to mention that Palin's views on no-contraception and abstinence have obviously been shown not to work, seeing as her own 17 year old daughter is now pregnant outside wedlock. If Palin had been decent enough to sit her daughter down and teach her how to use a condom, this would not be the case.

Sigh.

 

[Deck Knight]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7592636.stm

well, Bristol is up the spout [possibly for the second time].. I find it very disturbing that Palin has stated that Bristol WILL keep the child and marry the father - does the girl not get a say in this?
Not to mention that Palin's views on no-contraception and abstinence have obviously been shown not to work, seeing as her own 17 year old daughter is now pregnant outside wedlock. If Palin had been decent enough to sit her daughter down and teach her how to use a condom, this would not be the case.

Sigh.

First: Bristol is still a minor and still lives under her parents roof, so her parents still decide for her on most issues.

However, that quote is the easiest to rip out of context. For all we know, this is Bristol's decision entirely.

I know the whole "parents have authority over their children" thing doesn't jive with you as a feminist, but that's the way most people think it should be. Feminists don't seem to get that just because they think killing children in utero is a legitimate moral choice doesn't mean other people do. Actually, most people find the suggestion they kill their children morally repugnant. I thought abortion was a hard choice, and yet it slips off the tongue so easily... whether it was Trig or this baby.

Further, reports say Bristol is five months pregnant. Trig is five months old. Pretty darn unlikely timeline, but I know as a feminist, it is alright to blatantly lie about anyone even tangentially related to a Republican politician for political gain. Bristol's mother left the Sisterhood of Unfettered Abortion, and her family must pay for her insolence. No lie is too vile, no attack too disgusting as long as the intended target suffers.

Btw, how do you propose her daughter use a condom? And how do you know Sarah didn't make her values clear to her children? And how do you know they didn't use protection, but it failed (like it so often does)? Once again a feminist wants to get into another woman's sex life because she can't help but offer her erudite opinion. Moreover, you don't even know whether this was a "mistake" or whether her boyfriend has been around for years. But, as in all things, when there is a political point to make, the feminists will always be there to cast judgment on others. Then they will do a 180 and call the religious right judgmental within the next three sentences.

Tolerance. Diversity. Compassion. (As long as you agree with us entirely.)

 

[akuchi]

When Palin advocates abstinence-only contraception and no sex outside wedlock then her daughter gets knocked up, it's pretty obvious that it's not a working policy.

To put it as clearly as possible for your simple brain: This has shown that however vociferously you are told not to have sex outside marriage, people will. Teenagers will. Therefore it is only responsible to teach them about contraception in order to minimize the risk of unintentional pregnancy.

Now, Deck Knight, you may not be familiar with the old in-out-in-out, but girls CAN put condoms on boys; I've done it before and God has yet to smite me down for touching a man's cock outside wedlock. OR for using contraception.
There's also female condoms. The Pill. The injection, the implant, the coil, the funny doughnut-thing-that-sits-in-your-vagina-and-uses-hormones (the ring? whatever it is), the cap, spermicide..

And why on earth are you praising Palin for having a spaz kid? Her rhetoric is 'child not choice' - so she didn't make a choice, she would have had the child anyway.

And no, if Bristol wants to keep the baby, absolutely good for her, she's doing it in a decent situation at least [she's got Mummy and Daddy to pay for it] and I wish her the absolute best of luck. I know what it's like to want a child, funnily enough..

And if your child is old enough to be fucking, I think they're old enough to decide what to do with the product of said fucking.

and whilst we're on the subject, this was quite funny.
http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/4628/sarahpalinla4.png

 

[Deck Knight]

When Palin advocates abstinence-only contraception and no sex outside wedlock then her daughter gets knocked up, it's pretty obvious that it's not a working policy.

Yeah, Condoms have been so effective at preventing girls from getting knocked up/diseased. 1 in 4 girls have an STD now. Your exhaustive list of rubbers, pills, and other inhibitors to natural bodily function and sex only seem to have spread disease in the long run. They've been promoted heavily over a morals/willpower based system of resisting sex until you are ready, and the result is a plague of VD.

People screw up, it happens. I just pray that your triple-bagged protection lock sex safety bubble never fails. I hope it was worth it to screw with your physiology and deny your partner maximum pleasure all for the purpose of getting a good lay before marriage. I kind of feel bad for you, you spend so much time protecting yourself that you lose sight of the true beauty of the relationship between fertility and sex. The two are intrinsically linked, and it is far more invigorating, I think, to enjoy it without any restraints. But then, I'm an old conservative fogey, I just don't get what is so sexy about putting a rain coat on before you fuck. Sex isn't bad, it is beautiful, but it has its time and place.

And I'm not "praising" Palin for having a "spaz" kid. It is more like I'm attacking morons who think being diagnosed with Down's Syndrome should fast-track you for abortion. I'll take 1,000 "spazzes" whose highest calling in life is probably bagging groceries over a single elitist bastard who thinks they are "wasting oxygen." The Down's Syndrome kids aren't responsible for their lot in life, but the elitist bastard is responsible for his disgusting outlook.

Human beings are human beings are human beings, whether their affliction is Down's Syndrome, Asthma, Autism, Cleft Palette, Paralysis, Multiple Sclerosis, Skeletal Deformity, or anything else. The disabled are not subhumans to be discarded at a whim. It used to be that this was common knowledge, but the societal devolution into progressivism has diluted that. The "Progressive" is aptly named, for their philosophy is a cancer on morality and basic decency.

In other news:

In bonehead move, Imperialist Bush relinquishes conquered territory to indigenous inhabitants.

Imperialists everywhere are shocked at Bush's continued failure at Empire. They thought his initial promise to Iraqis to return their country to them was an elaborate ruse, but that fell apart today as he made good on his promise in al-Anbar province. Pladin Vutinstal commented "When I ran my empire, I flooded neighboring countries with passports, bought off their politicians, and then made my invasion under the pretense of ethnic defense. Bush seems not to grasp what Empire is about. Truly, truly pathetic."

To date, Emperor George W. Bush has one of the worst imperialist records in history, refusing to fly his flag even after defeating the reigning power, and spending untold resources aiding the locals without increasing overt dominion.

 

[akuchi]

ah, so obviously when I'm having sex it should be for my partner's 'maximum pleasure'. I love him dearly, and he's got a choice - either he gets me pregnant or he uses a condom, until I bother to sort out some contraception for myself.

I don't spend much time protecting myself to be honest.. Taking oh, 5 seconds to put a condom on before I fuck isn't that time-consuming.

Nor [when I get round to it again, sometime tomorrow morning] does it take more than what, 5 seconds to get stabbed in the ass with a fat-off needle, which will protect me for the next three months, and no need for a 'rain coat'.

This is entirely off the original point - if Palin is going to promote abstinence she also needs to teach about contraception.

And since when was society into spastics of any nature? In ancient times, they were left on a hillside to die, in more recent times, they were stuck in asylums and never heard of again. Society has never given half a shit about the disabled, and still doesn't.

 

[Misty]

okay the ad hominem is bad. stop.

 

[Deck Knight]

If you think 1 in 4 is bad, North America and Europe have among the lowest STD infections per capita in the world. Even the middle east, where women are veiled and adultery is punishable by stoning, has a higher rate of infection. Sub Saharan Africa has a rate 7 times higher than the US, and an HIV infection rate of 30-50%. What do these other countries have in common? No condoms, birth control or sex education because they are either unavailable or sex is looked down upon. I'd say my numbers are a little more solid than your rhetoric. Condoms would go a long way to help the epidemic in Africa as well as curbing the overpopulation that is causing masses to starve, but condoms are evil and it's better they get maximum pleasure giving while giving eachother AIDS.

"Denying your partner maximum pleasure", a great quote from an armchair misogynist who is totally out of touch with the real world, or has yet to experience it. Sorry but I'd rather not end up like Palin's own daughter, getting a good lay in before marriage AND getting knocked up. College age boys are after one thing and it is NOT babies.

You know what else happens in Africa/The Middle East that doesn't happen in Europe and North America? Massive amounts of rape. Unless you think tribal rapists are going to bother with condoms, I don't think sending the magic rubber over is going to do much. In fact, Planned Parenthood is already over there in force denouncing children as burdens. Just face the facts: The US has gotten more, not less sexually transmitted diseases per capita since the sexual devolution occurred 30-40 years ago, the state of AIDS in Africa is irrelevant to this.

Did you think up "armchair misogynist" all by yourself, or did you get help? Please, don't waste my time. Calling me a misogynist isn't an argument, its a personal attack, and not a very good one considering I'm not the one who wants to perpetuate baseless lies about a certain female Vice Presidential candidate, among other values such as not believing femininity is synonymous with weakness, or that turning the womb into an execution chamber is a mark of an advanced society.

And a small correction, akuchi: It is not society, but Marxists that don't care about the disabled. Petty dictators and thugs (usu. Marxists [see: Hugo Chavez, Kim Jong-Il, Robert Mugabe], but sometimes theocrats like Armageddonjad) always go after the weak, the vulnerable, and the defenseless first. Modern societies (not Socialist hellholes) are measured by how they treat their most defenseless, not their most powerful, and socialism's track record in that regard is deplorable. There are no rich people waiting 5 days just for a diagnosis in Britain's hospitals. Their socialized medicine is a failure, and socialized medicine is a hallmark of Marxism. You've even mentioned it yourself with your "but that can only happen in a 100% socialistic society" references. A 100% socialistic society is an impossibility. Where governments have nationalized every major industry and most minor ones, only bloodshed followed. And yet still, no one seems to have learned from the lessons of Communism. Any government that has the power to give you everything has the power to take it away, and that is routinely what happens.

The primary problem with socialism is that it has no standards and no accountability and likes it that way. It entrusts all decision making to the hands of bureaucrats and figureheads and suppresses individual thought. That is the way it has always operated and will continue to operate, because that is its nature. It views the individual as a disposable cog in the party machine, and thus can justify any evil in the name of "The Greater Good," which invariably ends up being Empire. With neither God nor Man to oppose it, a socialistic Empire enslaves all to its soulless machinery and crushes them under boot and tank. Justice is defined in relative terms and mercy is nonexistent.

I'll leave you with a quote from Uncle Joe Stalin:

"Ideas are more powerful than guns. If I don't let them have guns, why would I let them have ideas?"

Socialism and Constitutional Republicanism are incompatible. America is based on Constitutional Republicanism.

 

[tea_and_blues]

Socialism and Constitutional Republicanism are incompatible. America is based on Constitutional Republicanism.

For goodness sake DK, stop dragging this off topic, Mugabe, Chavez and Kim Jong-Il are so remote from Marx it's not even funny. Even Chavez called himself a 'revolutionary', he wasn't even close to Marxism. For a start, Mugabe, Chavez, etc are all authoritarian. Marxism is democratic!

 

[Misty]

Marxist socialism is not democratic at all. Marxist communism is stateless, so "democratic" means nothing.