I was thinking about this post. I should have quoted both. I guess he used this more as a reason to vote Larry rather than the unvote on Miyami, but I was apparently still a big part in his decision making here.
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It says in the mafiascum link that it's usually announced that the fruit came from a fruit vendor, so maybe it's like that?
Backreading posts from the two of you it feels like this is just personalities clashing because you seem to agree on quite a few things, just not on each other.
I feel like you're both town tbh, solving seems genuine and with the intent of making sure ppl take accountability for their posts/opinions if that makes sense?
I will look more indepth on it (playing on the phone sucks) but I don't see scum bud equity between You and Larry (iirc you've been sussing him since start D1) OR Realiti and Larry (this is what I wanna double-check). Mainly cause I keep mixing up Carrot and Larry for Realiti o.o
Cause tbh, it could just be that Larry is scum and it has nothing to do with either of you. Feel like works with this post too (in reaction to APs readslist)
I will check Larry's posts later too tho, cuz I don't remember any of them tbh. I have a lot of town reads and not a lot of (or any) scum reads OTL
Reaction is funny, lol, but it also seems genuine. And Idk if that's town genuine or just scum!Larry being flabbergasted that you would think they were buds together. (This is also under the assumption that thats a reaction to him and Realiti being paired and not in reaction to Larry voting for AP and AP scumreading him in his list afterwards, checking votes is what I gotta do too when I'm home lol)
I will check Larry's posts later too tho, cuz I don't remember any of them tbh. I have a lot of town reads and not a lot of (or any) scum reads OTL
I don't know if that has been said before, but did anyone claim the reason behind Pebble being stuck on DBD? Because if it's not claimed, I assume it's likely a scum role, and that probably means DBD is kinda clear because like why would scum target themselves with that, especially when DBD was a big wagon yesterday
I think the assumption rn is it just votes whoever the first person voted for the day is. Realiti voted DBD at the start of the day and that's where my vote ended up.
they wont be counted. no idea if pub or priv
i wish ppl had reading comp that part of my role is in addition to being a doc
we also apparently have two docs
the three hardest things in smogon mafia (in order easiest to hardest):
town winning
everyone using correct pronouns for a single phase
half the playerbase hvaing reading comprehension
maybe thats mean
also i assume both fruit vendor and announcer have additional parts of role bc they gotta have smth to do w voting yeah?
two docs and a bunch of sketchy bad stuff sounds kinda plausible but i feel like celever would have said nope nope in review
i might still be traumatized by the game where i had the mech solve and nobody understood it or my role claim after repeated explanation
anyway i read back and its not too interesting other than that larry has really not done a lot outside of a few big posts
also i suspect a lot of this is 'we did a lot of not very nice things during that time'
Surely yeah. We also have at least one claim of a role that gets better the later in the game it is so its possible double doctors is there to give them a fighting chance?
I live in Canada and our history class was and still kinda is like that, it usually jumps from the 1800s to WWI to WWII to modern to try and ignore all the indigenous genocide going on at the time
this is honestly not a bad post aside from the mischaracterizations of my posts (which ShyPebble addressed for me already) and i agree that i am tunneling on you too hard. With carrot, I was gradually shifting my read from him as his D2 posting continued from towny to scummy, I just didn't feel the need to put it in writing until the very end. Can you give me an example of where I'm buddying people because I really don't see what you and Carrotman are referring to.realiti
I reread most of my posts and honestly to quote Celever(?) I feel like realiti is being distinctly not charitable to me about my posts. Realiti exaggerated my D1 Larry read in a weird way and definitely gives me some vibes of having decided that hes going to push me and then just filling in the pieces to fit that narrative. I also think Carrot is right that realiti is shotgunning out a lot of town reads on random people it looks like buddying up to a lot of the player base. Again seems agenda driven more than actually organic reading of players. Read on Carrot is prime example of this btw where Realiti goes from "ya Carrot is town i.g." to "oh no Carrot is scummy" after Carrot comes in and votes him. Super. reactionary play from Realiti and it just feels overall pretty icky.
With respect to his case on me, calling my posts "bad" and "unfortunate" is whatever. Saying that Im playing to my scum meta in EGO because Im asking questions is lazy bullshit and not really true in the slightest. His entire lens this game has been about my actions in relation to what he does, which feels like hes just chosen to be suspicious of me and is filling in the rest of his "opinions" with whatever comes through that lens.
Like this ^ as an example of that. Shading phoopes, uses me as a justification to unvote Miyami. Mega cagey stuff.
If realiti is town then the explanation for all this is hes just decided to hunt his white whale and hes sinking the township with it I guess. Im not sure I see it that way after his latest posts again showcasing that he's committed to buddying people up until its not convenient for him to do so.
a fairy
Im a bit confused about her progression from D1 to D2. D1 she seemingly had some suspicions of Jalmont and Peum and then D2 has been way more reserved about reads. The main thing I remember from her today is calling Miyami / Pulsar not a 1v1 which is a departure from her D1 opinions a bit. Not sure at all where she is with Jalmont or Peum. Overall her demeanor is just a lot different from D1 and the progression on some of her reads seems to have dropped off.
Tsuki
I'd say this is the closest slot we have to an obvtown slot. The hyper-fixation and really lack of any other content other than her role is not really making me happy, but its good enough. Needless to say there needs to be some conclusion to all the softclaiming she is doing, but I'm not worried about it in the near future.
Pulsar
Probably next best town read after Tsuki for "counter claiming" Miyami. If pulsar/miyami is S/S that would be the biggest brain play ever I suppose. People seem confused about the claims, Pulsar claimed a doctor who also prevents someone from getting voted on the following day I believe. I don't see too much reason for pulsar to claim as maf here and my experience with pulsar town is that she may get antsy and decide to drop claims like this whereas as maf she's more ok to lurk it out. Also her posting feels genuine. I think pulsar in particular lurks more or falls onto setup spec when maf and that isn't what she has done here really. Interactions with people seem organic.
Jalmont
Right, I don't know. I wish Jalmont would return to his earnest / curious / somewhat-whimsical / serious posting rather than what he has been doing this game which is kinda troll fishing for reactions mostly it would seem. The vote on Carrotman is decidedly not too interesting. Peum also didn't like Carrot. The times Ive seen Carrot play on PS mafia it wasn't that different from this, I feel like Carrot vote is sort of like a lurker vote atm. Jalmont kind of hand-waved the me/Realiti situation by calling us town "for words" which is alright, thats certainly a plausible state of things. He did conveniently miss the D1 deadline because supposedly he forgot what timezone the game is in and he came in D2 to announce he would have saved phoopes which is peak trying to extract towncred for having done nothing at all during the deadline.
Miyami
Don't like that I was missing from her read list on #245 and then the next time she made a read list she includes me with some caveat about how Im kind of null but weird and apparently that opinion was mostly based on my posts about her role which honestly were entirely reasonable IMO and the accusation that I was shading her when I was just hashing out different possible scenario for the lack of vote and claim was like .. come on. I had my objective analysis hat on at the time and like sorry to Miyami but of all the claimed and soft claimed roles hers was a reaction to being voted on D1 whereas pulsar, Tsuki, AirC kind of just started softing/claiming more out of the blue which does kind of put them in the more likely town category. Peum* also I am not really feeling like his roleclaim is especially credible, especially now that Jalmont seems to be a public double voter.
AirC
Not too much to say. I thought his early D1 play looked alright. Kind of lurker territory more and more. He needs to express an opinion other than AP = bad because that one is getting stale fast.
DBD
Probably actually one of my stronger townreads. Could be WIFOMy but Pebble being forced to vote for DBD I think makes him less likely to be mafia here since if its a maf role that affected Pebble likely it wouldn't put her vote on maf. Also I believe this is DBD's town meta where he is popping in to make a few more IIoA kind of posts. Ive read DBD pretty well on meta in the past and I don't think this is divergent for him. That with the pebble vote I wouldn't vote DBD.
Carrot
Cop out read here but Im null on Carrot. I kind of don't like that he was talking about ISOing DBD Miyami Realiti on P6 where it should really be zero effort to go and do so at that point and I dont think he really did. Would be good to know why he was interested in that group of people in particular and where he is now. I guess hes scum on realiti anyways. Again, I think this is just how he plays.
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Town (no order):
Tsuki, Pulsar, DBD
Lean Town:
ShyPebble, Fairy
Not Sure (no order):
Carrot, Peum, Jalmont, AirC, Miyami
Scummy:
Realiti, Larry
can you also give context on carrotman's meta
the thread kinda died which is unfortunate. it would be really nice to get some more votes in so we can have actual direction towards EoD (which I will not be around for)
what are everybody's thoughts on massclaiming? is that something beneficial we should do tomorrow? i think it wouldnt hurt for the fruit vendor to claim now too if they're someone in most people's PoE / scumpile
what are everybody's thoughts on massclaiming? is that something beneficial we should do tomorrow? i think it wouldnt hurt for the fruit vendor to claim now too if they're someone in most people's PoE / scumpile
Here's where I'm at
town
Peum
pulsar (role seems too broken but idk why she'd claim it as scum)
Tsuki,
ShyPebble, Jalmont
AirC
DbD, fairy
null
Miyami (tonally town, mechanic-wise not sure?)
scum
Carrotman
AP, Larry
I highly doubt that the scumteam is AP/Larry/Carrotman, there's just way too much noise and crossvoting going on between the three slots IMO. I'd like to believe Miyami is town but they would fit well on a lot of scumteams - I feel like not many players have a strong opinion on them and it's interesting how nobody is even considering voting them out because of a role conflict.
DbD and fairy post pretty naturally so I give them a townlean but they haven't done much to cement my confidence outside of that. AirC is playing more similar to his town meta and seems pretty unconcerned about any consequences from his tunneling which reads good to me. ShyPebble could be deepwolfing us, he has a naturally towny tone and very sound logic RN so I don't want to tinfoil. Same goes for jalmont.
I'd be shocked if Peum was scum, tsuki is clearly trying to do something with their role publically which would be a bold game to play as mafia and pulsar's claim seems legit.
Earlier, I said that AP and Larry could be scum buddies who are distancing but both are going pretty deep in each other, it could be a coordinated bus with the idea that they're both sunk unless one of them gets massive towncred off a vote. Personally I'm not confident enough to call them S/S. I think carrotman could fit on every single scumteam RN and I find it pretty bizarre how he's blatantly refusing to follow through with his ISOs. Surely he is aware this would be a bad look regardless if he's town or scum? I'm not sure why he's twisted it as me guilt tripping him to do something, and I'm having a tough time figuring out if it's scummy or emotional NAI behavior.
town
Peum
pulsar (role seems too broken but idk why she'd claim it as scum)
Tsuki,
ShyPebble, Jalmont
AirC
DbD, fairy
null
Miyami (tonally town, mechanic-wise not sure?)
scum
Carrotman
AP, Larry
I highly doubt that the scumteam is AP/Larry/Carrotman, there's just way too much noise and crossvoting going on between the three slots IMO. I'd like to believe Miyami is town but they would fit well on a lot of scumteams - I feel like not many players have a strong opinion on them and it's interesting how nobody is even considering voting them out because of a role conflict.
DbD and fairy post pretty naturally so I give them a townlean but they haven't done much to cement my confidence outside of that. AirC is playing more similar to his town meta and seems pretty unconcerned about any consequences from his tunneling which reads good to me. ShyPebble could be deepwolfing us, he has a naturally towny tone and very sound logic RN so I don't want to tinfoil. Same goes for jalmont.
I'd be shocked if Peum was scum, tsuki is clearly trying to do something with their role publically which would be a bold game to play as mafia and pulsar's claim seems legit.
Earlier, I said that AP and Larry could be scum buddies who are distancing but both are going pretty deep in each other, it could be a coordinated bus with the idea that they're both sunk unless one of them gets massive towncred off a vote. Personally I'm not confident enough to call them S/S. I think carrotman could fit on every single scumteam RN and I find it pretty bizarre how he's blatantly refusing to follow through with his ISOs. Surely he is aware this would be a bad look regardless if he's town or scum? I'm not sure why he's twisted it as me guilt tripping him to do something, and I'm having a tough time figuring out if it's scummy or emotional NAI behavior.
Maybe it’s not a “reading comprehension” problem but a “writing coherently” problem. I reread your post and my initial read of your post wasn’t wrong so yeah. Turning thoughts into comprehensible writing is part of the challenge of online mafia I suspect.
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