ExtremeSpeed Pikachu

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I'll make an actual Pikachu thread when I have time, but have you guys heard about the upcoming event where Pikachu learns ExtremeSpeed. What do you think this will do to Pikachu. Will it be running mixed Nasty Plot sets? Will it be running full physical sets? Discuss below.
 
I honestly can't see this doing much to help Pikachus capabilities; it is still frail as ass and has 4mss a lot as is; it's main problems are its frailty and speed atm, while this will patch up the speed issue, it doesn't actually let him hit too much very hard. While it does give him a good boost, it's not significant enough to give a massive rise in usage.
 
Actually I think ExtremeSpeed is just what Pikachu needs to be a lot more effective. One of its biggest problems is its so frail as any priority/scarfer can easily take it down. ExtremeSpeed allows Pikachu to get past that, and thanks to Light Ball will do a lot of damage, especially to more frail Pokemon.

Pikachu doesn't really need Nasty Plot to be effective, I like using Substitute + 3 attacks set more, even though I barely use Pikachu. I think Substitute / Thunderbolt / ExtremeSpeed / HP Ice will be pretty effective. Unfortunately, you can't really do much to Quagsire and Camerupt, which is annoying.

When this event move comes out, I think Pikachu will rise in usage, but probably not by a huge amount.



Edit: 252Atk Light Ball Pikachu (+Atk) ExtremeSpeed vs 4HP/0Def Cinccino (Neutral): 57% - 68% (169 - 199 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO.

uhh... that's a lot less damage than I expected. (and you shouldn't even be using Adamant 252 attack EV's...)
 
Going Pure Physical with Pikachu doesn't work IMO, since it has even more coverage problems than the special sets. However, I can see something such as Substitute / Thunderbolt / HP Ice / ExtremeSpeed working well, despite being unable to hit some top Pokemon such as Camerupt hard. Nasty Plot / Thunderbolt / HP Ice / ExtremeSpeed is also legit. Why would it be less legit than Houndoom with NP / Fire Blast / Nasty Plot / Sucker Punch?
 
Oh yes, Pikachu! <3

Extremespeed might give some utility in denying revenge kills, but seriously this isn't very usable. Because of the way Light Ball works, you need to fully invest in your EVs in order to have high Special Attack score (or high Attack score). That means you;ll split EVs and you can't take any EVs from speed because Pika needs all the speed he can get. This might make a physical set a lot more viable, though: I think this is what Nintendo's aiming at since DPP, ya know. Volt Tackle, its strongest STAB, became physical and Light Ball started to raise its attack as well. A small tidbit: did you know Pikachu has a higher attack score than special attack score? A physically based mixed set, with GK to catch physical walls, may be viable.
/endrant

But I'll get over my Pika love: while this is certainly an upgrade, it's still a gimmick.
 
Uh, this is actually pretty damn awesome. If Raichu gets E-speed, than his physical sets get a nice boost. I wager that a set consisting of:

Raichu
move 1: Volt Tackle
move 2: Extreme Speed
move 3: Grass Knot
move 4: Encore / Brick Break
item: Life Orb
nature: Adamant / Jolly
evs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

I guess Nasty Plot sets get a cool little boost too, though that loss of coverage is minor drawback.

Pikachu sucks, and will always suck.
 
pikachu's biggest problem is that his power comes from an item, not an ability, so his power isn't much more than a mon with decent base attacking stats holding a life orb.

But hey pikachu is still pretty cool and at least now it won't die to rattata quick attack.

I would rather have focus punch lightningrod anyway
 
Well at least electric normal coverage hits most things in the NU tier, except Golem, Cradily & Golett.

Just give Pikachu Toxic for things it can't break on physical sets.
 
Straw Hat Luffy said:
Uh, this is actually pretty damn awesome. If Raichu gets E-speed, than his physical sets get a nice boost. I wager that a set consisting of:

Raichu
move 1: Volt Tackle
move 2: Extreme Speed
move 3: Grass Knot
move 4: Encore / Brick Break
item: Life Orb
nature: Adamant / Jolly
evs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
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How does Raichu get Volt Tackle + Espeed? Unless the event comes with Volt Tackle they'll be illegal since you can't breed Espeed and you need to breed Volt Tackle.

I'm of the opinion that this will be extremely niche, even if it gets Volt Tackle and Lightningrod. The only use it'll be is a quick kill of something switching into a surprise coverage move, since the main switch into Pikachu is going to be Golem easily, and Extremespeed would allow Pikachu to kill without getting hit by Sucker Punch after a Grass Knot.

edit: Focus Punch will probably be illegal too because it's 4th gen only. This is the problem with Pikachu/Raichu: they get so many cool moves (Volt Tackle, Focus Punch, Extremespeed, Surf, Lightningrod as an ability) but you can't have them all at the same time because of the limitations on breeding/TMs/Dream World!
 
It's other moves are Thunderbolt , Grass Knot and Brick Break . So there is Volt Tackle out of the question , no word on its ability though.
 
Straw Hat Luffy said:
Yeah i'm playing off the huge assumption that GF gives them Volt Tackle alongside e-speed. Otherwise... (shrugs)
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They put Surf and Fly in the same event maybe they'll pull a stunt and give it Surf, Fly, Volt Tackle and Espeed =/. But really the only thing I'll get out of this is one more KO and LOL YOU GOT KILLED BY A PIKACHU xD.
 
I guess choice band Riachu is out of the question.

You'd have to run Extreme speed, Wild Charge and Volt Switch, I'd have no idea what the last move would be.
 
if you WERE to run a set,

extremespeed-wild charge-brick break-sub would be the only viable physical set.
it has unresisted coverage except for golurk i believe.

edit: even for a purely physical set, i think grass knot would be great to hit golem and stuff.
 
Agreeing with shnen in the sense that it won't give our poster boy a significant rise in usage.

However, I see this as a great priority addition to pikachu's move pool. (On PO, will pikachu receive extremespeed in it's movepool?)

No, it's certainly not significant coverage, but when has this mattered with any other pokemon? And who honestly gives two shits when you have amazing (not perfect I know) STAB coverage?

Pika's speed is lacking somewhat at 90, which is by no means bad but somewhat undesirable.
 
I think ExtremeSpeed would work on the Nasty Plot set, only as a way of taking down something with <20% health (or less) that has been hit hard by a previous attack.

For example, your opponent brings in a Cryogonal for the first time. It takes SR and Thunderbolt/HP Ice making it lose a bit, but not a lot of health. Then you simply use ExtremeSpeed, and because of its piss-poor defense you take it out.

Obviously Theorymon only goes so far, but I think when it is released Pikachu usage will spike, and the gradually decrease to a little higher than it is now.
 
TheMantyke said:
Unfortunately, more information on the event has been revealed and it has been confirmed that the Pikachu does not carry Volt Tackle. It seems like you're need to run a simple mixed set with ExtremeSpeeed because, Volt Tackle, Nasty Plot, Encore, and even ThunderPunch are all out the window. Let's just hope it gets Lightningrod!
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Forget about it guys, its pure shit :evan:

Here's hoping it becomes an egg move for PKMN Black 2 / White 2
 
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