Flygon

Yeah Randorosu appears to outclass it offensively, though being part Dragon is arguably better than part Flying thanks to better STAB and resistance to SR. Unless I'm miss-taken mistaken, Randorosu doesn't learn Roost so that would be one of Flygon's advantages.
 
God, game freak, you massive troll

Flygon should've got one of these abilities for his birthda-, I mean dream world abilities :

-TINTED LENS, come on, those eyes, big round red insect eyes. Flygon just begs for this one. Perfect coverage in dragon claw / outrage!

-SAND STREAM / SAND THROW / SAND WHATEVER, any boost in sandstorm. All of his pokedex entries until Platinum states that Flygon can whip up and hide in sand storms, so why not give it one of these? Especially Sand Throw which would raise its speed so it won't need to bring any scarf anymore.

And also, gamefreak, why claw sharpen? My beloved flygon wants Dragon Dance!

And with this, I can see the green dragon's earthquake spiraling down to UU, where there will be an epic battle of 3 dragons consisting altaria, flygon, and the blue dragon with red head (silly coloring). Perhaps flygon will retain a niche in OU as a defensive dragon with its access to roost and levitate, with the aforementioned defensive set, but TBH I would rather see him in UU where he can maximize his potential.

Don't take me the wrong way, I'm not saying he's not OU worthy. It's just that, with all the other dragons running around, he will be severely outclassed, outsped (for now at least, garchomp's still on the loose), and outgunned, rendering it UnderUsed. Face it, Flygon will be happier in UU, only popping up in OU once in a while. At least in UU it will be THE premier offensive dragon, since Altaria and the other prospective UU dragon are more defensively oriented.

The worst case though, Flygon will end up BL. Dumped in the no man's land, with little to no usage rating. Let's just hope either Flygon can find itself a great niche, or the UU's upper limit raises as the power creep continues.
 
Shimrit As said:
However resisting both Rock and Ground while being immune to Spikes and Toxic Spikes is a major advantage - stall teams won't be getting past it that easily. That's just my opinion, I may be wrong (and probably am).
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the problem with this (and the reason why it is not really good in general imo) is that it´s just weak. 100 base attack and being almost forced to use jolly just isnt cutting it. It cant even get past Blissey:

Jolly Choice Scarf Flygon Outrage vs 252/252 bold Blissey: 41.6% - 48.9%
Adamant Choice Scarf Flygon Outrage vs the same bliss: 45.5% - 53.8%

so blissey can just wish/softboiled and switch to forry/skarm to get a nice layer of (T) spikes down, which means you have basically just helped you opponent. other things wont really be KO´d either if you cant even kill blissey, so i dont think flygon will help vs stall at all, unless it runs adamant to possibly 2HKO bliss (which is obviously still no reason to use it vs stall), but isnt fast enough to revenge kill DDmence (or the pretty much outclassed DDkusu) in return and loses to other flygons. a choice band would allow to at least kill blissey, but then you couldnt even revenge kill SDchomp...

so basically youre right in that stall teams cant get past it, but they just dont need to because it cant get past them either, so i still see the only se for the scarf set in scouting with u turn (which makes it kinda predictable, another reason why i dont like it) and revenge killing things like gyaradosand ononokusu (it doesnt even outspeed salamence, and i would rely on a speed tie), but certainly not in beating stall (which, without having thought about it too much, the other sets shouldnt be able to do either.
 
G.I.R. said:
so i still see the only se for the scarf set in scouting with u turn (which makes it kinda predictable, another reason why i dont like it)
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What you have to worry about is not being predictable. It's the scouting part.

It appears that both teams are going to be shown before the match, so there will be no need for scouts anymore. That's one of Flygon's niche down, fast U-Turn is now useless.
 
Even with its low Atk, Jolly unboosted Outrage kills all the dragons it's meant to revenge kill, doing 109.2% - 129.4% to Sazando and 104.6% - 124.5% to Dragonite (which means all the rest are OHKOed). So comparing Flygon vis-a-vis with Garchomp it obviously loses out, but as a dragon check it still works. Though apart from that I sadly admit that the lack of power will likely cause it to languish behind its counterparts.
 
Little Battler said:
What you have to worry about is not being predictable. It's the scouting part.
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of course, but not being able to actually threaten things that arent frail and/or weak to your STAB doesnt help in that aspect.

Shimrit As said:
Even with its low Atk, Jolly unboosted Outrage kills all the dragons it's meant to revenge kill, doing 109.2% - 129.4% to Sazando and 104.6% - 124.5% to Dragonite (which means all the rest are OHKOed). So comparing Flygon vis-a-vis with Garchomp it obviously loses out, but as a dragon check it still works. Though apart from that I sadly admit that the lack of power will likely cause it to languish behind its counterparts.
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exactly, but beyond that it doesnt have much to offer, basically only u turn and levitate.
 
Flygon's only real advantage over Garchomp is the fact that its immune to Spikes and Toxic Spikes, which actually makes Flygon quite a nuisance against stall as it only takes 6% upon switching in. It's lack of power is quite annoying though. An 'Anti-stall' set could be used in that reguard, running something like

Flygon @ Leftovers
Jolly/Naive
Dragon Tail
Roost
Substitute/Flamethrower/Fire Blast
Earthquake

Enough speed EVs to get the drop on the standard Tentacruel. Some special attack EVs so Flamethrower hurts Skarmory, Nattorei, and Forretress. Substitute helps vs Gliscor though who will definitely see some more usage in Stall with the inclusion of Poison Heal. It also makes a somewhat gimmicky scout.
 
We don't know what OU is this gen, which means garchomp, salamence and latias could once again be OU/Standard, all of them outspeeding flygon(except mence who ties but could easily come in on a choice scarfed flygon's EQ and set up DD's). Also about 3 new non-legendary dragons WERE introduced. Ononokusu(that think with 147 base Att), Kurimugan, and Sazando.

While flygon does infact outspeed all of these pokes the last of the three has levitate and rare (Dark/Dragon)typing /stat distribution as well, these things seperate him from the other common dragons.

Once again flygon will have to work hard to find a spot on teams in OU.

Just my two cents...
 
Sad that he doesn't get Dragon Rush. UU is close, sorry Flygon. His attack is too weak and without SD or DD. Cheer Up helps for Stone Edge and Fire Blast but again his SpA is weak. SubRoost does seem good for Flygon with Toxic or U-turn and a STAB. A Moltres or Zapdos with no SR weakness etc.
 
SubRoost is definitely Flygon's niche. Sub/Roost/Toxic/Earthquake allows it to poison nearly everything, with EQ hitting all but the odd Skarm/Bronzong (Shandaraa/Magnezone, anyone?). As noted previously, it sports resistances to Ground, Rock, Electric, and Fire (all very common attacking types), and its immunity to nearly all forms of passive damage is really played up with a set like this.

Flygon@Leftovers
Jolly; 252 HP / 6 Atk / 252 Speed

Toxic
Roost
Substitute
Earthquake
 
Even slower dragons can just dragon dance and be faster, whereas a claw sharpen only really boosts one popular move, fire blast. Draco meteor would appreciate it and stone edge too, but those are rare. In short, flygon is fail now.
 
Pokabu said:
Fly who?
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Hey now, that's just mean. Don't be hatin' on the coolest dragon.

That said, I think Flygon's best chance in gen 5 is a Choice set, same as before. Claw Sharpen is completely outclassed by Garchomp, but when using Choice it has the option of U-turn. That Dark/Dragon who also has U-turn is slower and doesn't get STAB Earthquake, so it doesn't outclass Flygon in that respect. Still not a great option, but it's the probably best way to use Flygon with Garchomp still in the picture.

SubRoost is also a great option. Still needs help with bulky waters, but hey.
 
Flygon did not get much, it should be UU or at least BL as there are dragons like garchomp who can revenge kill better due to higher attack and speed.

it would be a bit too good for UU though
 
... and Flygon can't even get Dragon Rush to benefit from Claw Sharpen...

Flygon @ whatever
whatever

-Claw Sharpen
-Earthquake
-Outrage/ Dregon Claw
-Stone Edge/ Iron Tail/ Supersonic

Well... last slot is a joke. Kind of, since this is the moves that gets the benefits from Claw Sharpen. But DO NOT use Supersonic please. Iron Tail is somewhat acceptable, though not that much.
 
My "final" Gen 4 team packs a lead flygon which i ahve been using for the last 80 or some battles and have won atleast 60.

I use this set and its pretty amazing at revenegr killing and cleaning up despite how weak it looks.

Flygon @ Choice Scarf
Jolly Nature
4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
- Outrage
- Earthquake
- Fire Punch
- U Turn
 
I was expecting Flygon to get tinted lens from dream world which was gonna make me over joyed but instead he was the only dragon to not get an amazing abillity.
Mence got overconfidence, chomp got rough skin, altaria got cloud nine for gods sake. Sure he has an immunity for it but wouldnt you much rather have unresisted draco meteors
 
Well Flygon will still probably be a staple Revenge killer this generation as well.Its kinda sad he gets stuck with Claw sharpen which is 100% out classed by all the other dragons flying around tbh >_>.But even though Flygon dsnt get any new toys the Metagame itself has been quite kind to him and a lot of the stuff seem to be like 90-98 speed this gen.
This is all just speculation however =P.

DarkMoon said:
Here is an other interesting set:
Flygon (M) @ Life Orb
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 44 Atk / 252 Spd / 212 SAtk
Naive Nature (+Spd, -SDef)
- Draco Meteor
- Earthquake
- Fire Blast
- Claw sharpen / Roost
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Kool set DM ^.^ I have seen it somewhere else as well but cant seem to remember where >_>.This seems quite promising.
 
Apparently all Flygon opposers are all assuming Garchomp, Latias, Salamence, Sazando, Onokonosu, etc. will not be banned.

That's sad.

Anyways, Flygon is awesome, if he goes to UU I'll use him so much that he'll go back to OU.
 
Apparently all Flygon opposers are all assuming Garchomp, Latias, Salamence, Sazando, Onokonosu, etc. will not be banned.

That's sad.
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No, it's not "sad". Gen V doesn't have any tiers yet, so nothing has been banned, and it probably won't have proper tiers for a while, which is why everyone is assuming that anything goes (including all the dragons you listed).

Something I am sad about, however, is none of the levitaters gaining new abilities. Levitate is great and all, but still, something new would've been nice. As it stands, Flygon is indeed outclassed by many other dragons.
 
Groshi said:
Apparently all Flygon opposers are all assuming Garchomp, Latias, Salamence, Sazando, Onokonosu, etc. will not be banned.

That's sad.
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What's sad is you assuming all of those will be banned.

But anyways, poor Flygon- he's always gotten the short end of the stick; less-than-stellar stats, no great stat-altering moves, no DW ability, the list goes on. Outclassed horribly last Gen, and its looking even more so this Gen.
 
Lol i think a thread on Flygon should be made after garchomp gets banned because then its just people complaining about how hes outclassed =P.If chomp dsn't get banned hes probably going back to UU tho >__>
 
Garchomp doesn't Levitate. He doesn't even get a chance to heal himself with Roost in any generation. In that regard, Flygon has a distinct edge because no other Ground/Dragon can tank the way he does.
 
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