Following in the footsteps..

Mr.Fuji

New sets on ol' pokes.. sets like Tyraniboah and recently, ChainChomp, seem to have/had a big effect when there unveiled upon the community, factoring into teams new ways to counter them, and basically re-showcasing these pokemons talents, apart from what may already be listed in thier analysis.

I'm curious as to peoples idea's on who would be next? What pokemon do you guys think is next to have a new set worked upon indepthly by somone then unveiled and make a big stir? Seeing as how its a guess, you could just go off its movepool, and any ideas you already have ;o..
 
I think the "old" sets will see more use, lol.

Today I was fighting someone and sent in Cradily against their Mence just to see it DD in my face. :/
 
I see in Registeel a bit of potential as a solid Salamence and Weavile counter, sort of a mixed wall. Obviously, this doesn't compare to Boah or beasts like that, but I think he's underrated ): He resists Stealth Rock, has great defenses and it gained Iron Head as a solid STAB move, even though Steel isn't one of the dominant attacks types. He also gets Ice Punch.

It could work something like:

Registeel *Leftovers
Careful
- Ice Punch
- Iron Head
- Rest
- Stealth Rock / Psych Up / Sleep Talk

I don't know, I have to make some calcs and polish out the set.
 
Kinda an odd topic idea, but I'd say that Salamence has the potential for a new set (Smogon doesn't have an official Bulky Mence set, which is pretty viable IMO), and Dragonite might. Or a mixed Metagross could be set up, with just enough sp atk to kill Swampert with Grass Knot.

IIRC, Aerodactyl can use Fire Blast on a LO set to counter Skarm (does something like 60-75% with a neutral nature and no EV's), which wasn't really mentioned in the analysis. But that's not really a new set.
 
I think before we see another dragon, that Metagross may see a return.

The point with the new sets, should be indentifying what kills you, and then killing them on the switch. That's what Specsmence did, that's what Tyraniboah did, and that's what ChainChomp does. Like Fishin' said, if Metagross can OHKO it's counters with a surprise special move just for them, it goes from Replacing X attack move with Y attack move, to serving a purpose and then up for consideration.
 
StrangerDanger said:
I think before we see another dragon, that Metagross may see a return.

The point with the new sets, should be indentifying what kills you, and then killing them on the switch. That's what Specsmence did, that's what Tyraniboah did, and that's what ChainChomp does. Like Fishin' said, if Metagross can OHKO it's counters with a surprise special move just for them, it goes from Replacing X attack move with Y attack move, to serving a purpose and then up for consideration.
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Like Grass Knot?
 
Fishin said:
IIRC, Aerodactyl can use Fire Blast on a LO set to counter Skarm (does something like 60-75% with a neutral nature and no EV's), which wasn't really mentioned in the analysis. But that's not really a new set.
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I used that Aero set last gen ^_^ (without LO, and with some EV investment, of course). Seriously fucked teams over before they knew what they were dealing with. Its this sort of VIABLE (read: VIABLE) unpredictability that can win games and change the meta game.
 
Fishin said:
IIRC, Aerodactyl can use Fire Blast on a LO set to counter Skarm (does something like 60-75% with a neutral nature and no EV's), which wasn't really mentioned in the analysis. But that's not really a new set.
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It's not like Skarmory likes taking STAB Rock attacks in the first place. While Fire Blast is nice for a 2HKO, what move would it go over? Fire Blast would be a great help for Bronzong, but otherwise it just isn't worth it.

I think it's time Dragonite gets a shiny new set.
 
Raikou is giving me trouble. I hardly know what do do when I see one. And now with Shoddy out (in a usable state), anyone can just throw HP Grass or HP Ice on the darn thing and wreak havoc with pseudo bolt/beam.
 
Raikou isn't hard to deal with, seismic toss Blissey ruins it. Even just sandstream drastically cuts its ability to do anything. But yes, Raikou "forces people to use standards", as the advance analysis said.

Thanks to Roost, Skarmory doesn't care particularly much about STAB rock attacks anymore unless they have a decent chance of OHKOing with a critical, like Rhyperior's Stone Edge.
 
Yeah as long as you take him out early there isn't much Raikou can do, ST bliss will counter him, electivire is actually a pretty good switchin considering HPice does very little to him without a few calm minds. Rhyperior works pretty good too, if Raikou isn't killing it in one hit, or two if it has a sub, it can counter him provided it can do enough damage to break his subs.

As far as new sets, I expect somthing new with dragonite, with his movepool there's a lot of potential with him. I like my agility mixnite personally. Running life orb with boltbeam, agility and either outrage or focus punch really beats the living hell out of just about anything around.
 
I suspect people will begin running belly-mences if they can get their hands on them again, with the advent of DM, people are now keen to switch out of Mences. (DD... Pfft. Sub/belly/salac/sweep!) Ah, and CB-swellow to be a substitute for CB-heracross. Faster by nature while still keeping the CB-boost. Oh yeah, and stab'd facade. CB/burn/facade/Stab= 3.7ish swellow's normal atk-stat.

In the UU/BL circut, I suspect superpower scarf-azumarill will gain popularity, as will hypnosis/sub/belly/waterfall poliwhirls/wraths.

In NU, caterpie will become a god! (Sarcasm, clearly.)
 
One thing I was pondering was the use of any sort of Physical Azelf set, which I thought could be successful because Azelf's attack stat is the same as it's special attack set, but it's physical movepool sucks to the point where the best set you can get is Return/Explosion/U-Turn/Iron Tail, using a Wide Lens to make sure Iron Tail hits. And that set sucks to the point where it's not worth mentioning. Although it might be something to look at when nintendo get's it head on straight and gives this thing Zen Headbutt...
 
I suspect people will begin running belly-mences if they can get their hands on them again, with the advent of DM, people are now keen to switch out of Mences. (DD... Pfft. Sub/belly/salac/sweep!)
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Belly-Mence? To my knowledge, Salamence has never learned Belly Drum.

And Swellow aint got nothing on Heracross. Even with a Choice Band, it's Brave Bird is only moderately stronger than Choice Scarf Hera's Megahorn. Switching in on a burn isn't easy when you're defences mean you'll be nearly OHKO'd if you mispredict. And Heracross has the advantage of coverage. Skarmory, Rhyperior, Tyranitar (takes a bit from U-Turn) and Bronzong shut Swellow down 100% whereas Heracross at least 2HKO's them all. Go figure. ;P

My bet is on a new Tyranitar set. He's been good so far this gen, but he hasn't really lived up to the pre-D/P hype where there was a serious lobby for him to become uber. However, by now we've had pretty much every T-Tar set under the sun, but who knows?
 
Look at what I just made up >_<

LolKing@Wide Lens
Focus Blast
Blizzard
Thunder
Shadow BallSome quick calculations I did on his main counters.(This is with Wide Lens. Choice specs, of course. Would KO everything in a 700mile range)

[edit] - it's a slaking

Skarmory
Thunder On Max HP, Nutral nature-93.41-109.88%
Thunder On Max SP.Def and HP, Nutral nature-69.16 - 81.14
Hippowdon(Calculations with sandstorm boost)
Blizzard on Max HP, Nutral Nature-48.81 - 57.38
Bronzong
lol, 4HKO damage. But he shouldn't be staying in anyway
 
By lolking I assume you mean Nidoking?

Also, Hippodown doesn't get a SS boost. Only Rock types get that.

Both Dragonite and Tyranitar have huge movepools and can attack effectively from both sides of the spectrum, so they're always possibilities.

Also, like Tangerine stated on the Togekiss analysis, a special sweeper Togekiss would probably work. Nasty Plot'd Aura Sphere is a 2HKO on Blissey, so that's something. Air slash gets pretty good coverage with Aura Sphere IIRC, but if that's not enough then Togekiss gets Shadow Ball as well for neutral damage on everything. With Roost, some HP EV's, and it's solid defenses, it can take hits like a man and recover the damage. You could probably go two ways with EV's - a speed variation with Life orb, or a HP version with Leftovers/orb. I'd probably go with the HP version, personally. Though it might be worth investing the speed EV's to beat some stuff, namely TTar.

I'd been thinking about that set for awhile, actually. I wish Togekiss got better attack, though, since it does have Focus Punch and a bunch of other physical attacks to play with.
 
CSpecs Slaking is a fun thing.

Perish Trapping may become viable, seeing as most people switch to their Blissey when they see Gengar or Mismagius.

Then we have the huge amount of Pokemon that can benefit from Choice Scarf...
 
Its amazing how many previously unthought pokemon get much more powerful when you just slap a Choice Scarf on them. People think they can come in, take a hit and then outspeed, but then they're suddenly outspeeded for the kill. This seems to make thinking up your counters a lot harder as before.
 
Flash_gearz said:
Look at what I just made up >_<

LolKing@Wide Lens
Focus Blast
Blizzard
Thunder
Shadow BallSome quick calculations I did on his main counters.(This is with Wide Lens. Choice specs, of course. Would KO everything in a 700mile range)
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Lol indeed...seems like the kind of set that gets you 6-0'd without doing any damage...least you could do is at least make it mixed.

In the UU/BL circut, I suspect superpower scarf-azumarill will gain popularity, as will hypnosis/sub/belly/waterfall poliwhirls/wraths.
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That Poliwhirl/Wrath set has been around forever but has never been that popular simply because Whirl the faster of the two is weaker and without STAB fighting and Wrath the stronger of the two is significantly slower.

Shame as well, Water Absorb makes them completely dangerous in any game with the ability to BD several times. At the most Whirl is alot better now having STAB Waterfall to work off.

Also why Superpower Scarf Azumarill when you have Rampardos, Medicham all running around in UU/BL...
 
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