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breh said:
japanese staryu (hitodeman) has long been my "why did they name it this" Pokemon top 5,
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Very likely, Staryu is a big reference to Japanese pop culture icon Ultraman

- Staryu's red core is similar to Ultraman's iconic colour timer
- Staryu's anime cry ("Shyah!") is also similar to the cries the original Ultraman and many others make
- Staryu and Starmie in many Pokédex entries are alluded to be from space or at least have some connection with it
- Staryu and Starmie have many beam-type attacks in their movesets
- "Hitodeman", literally "Starfishman" follows the naming scheme many hero shows at the time would use. For instance, the company that created Ultraman following its success produced shows such as Mirrorman and Fireman
- The "Ultra Star" is a very common setpiece in Ultraman lore and associated themes; in particular it's what the protagonist of 1971's popular series Return of Ultraman called upon to transform
- As laid out here, Gen 1 Pokémon in particular had a LOT of Kaiju influence; many Kaiju in the original Ultraman also used the common '-don' suffix and the concept of Poké Balls as a whole is also thought to be influenced by the very popular Ultraseven's Ultra Capsules. Having a creature influenced by hero characters in amongst all these Kaiju fits the bill

- If any of this seems weak evidence, here's an official video from the Pokémon company featuring Staryu using beam attacks against the kaiju-inspired (as established in this document) Rhydon complete with a theme song and opening characteristic of 60s and 70s Tokusatsu such as Ultraman
 
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Water/Fairy Alolan Dewgong! It was almost certainly scrapped in favor of/reworked into Primarina

(for context this is an old encounter list for poni island)

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It also seems like they were planning a fossil pair, Mimikyu was going to have two version-exclusive forms and Ribombee might've had three stages
 
CharaTF2 said:
i personally agree but im curious about your reasoning behind this, for me its just that (aside from dragon, but lets be real, if fairy was in gen 1 it would've been special and dragon would've been physical) all the special types have an eevee
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At this point it'd be a corporation forcing a new child into my life and also making all previous merch predicated on Every Eeveelution to be obsolete/incorrect
 
Bakugames said:
there should be no more eeveelutions because they should put that time in designing things that actually look good instead
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I would agree if for the fact that the Generations after 6 has actually good looking designs. I personally find it true for Gen 7 and to an extent, 9, but Generation 8 just didn’t do it for me.

Plus, design is subjective. Having no more Eeveelutions doesn’t necessarily translate into more good designs.
 
Yung Dramps said:
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Water/Fairy Alolan Dewgong! It was almost certainly scrapped in favor of/reworked into Primarina

(for context this is an old encounter list for poni island)

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It also seems like they were planning a fossil pair, Mimikyu was going to have two version-exclusive forms and Ribombee might've had three stages
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Also mildly interesting that Dhelmise was initially conceived as Steel/Ghost, so Steelworker wasn't part of the original concept
 
pika pal said:
I wonder what in particular led to the change. Was Aegislash prominent in VGC and/or something they would have wanted to retain uniqueness for a while with (considering the next mon to get it was a VERY special case with Gholdengo)?
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it had some solid usage in '15 vgc, but by 16 it was drowned by the prevalence of primal groudon and other stronger mons, and it never did that great afterwards. maybe it was good in regionals but id have to check
 
Bakugames said:
back to the leaks, ive noticed both nihilego and buzzwole had their shiny coloration in the leaked documents. i wonder what happened: were they always drawn as shiny or were they their original colors and later moved to the shiny slot? if so, i wonder Why
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In Buzzwole's case I wonder if it was a cosmetic form or meant to look like something. Like maybe it's green when it's drained energy from something (per the Mosquito basis). Maybe Nihilego had a similar idea, though not sure on what basis.

I say this because they keep the primary color so intact by how they're laid out compared to others like Guzzlord and Xurkitree. Pheromosa's shiny similarly retains the same "mainly White" color with sort of a "pants" or outfit look rather than changing its overall color palette, perhaps to mirror Buzzwole once they made that its approach to Shiny Color.
 
I can definitely understand the idea that eevelutions aren't that exciting, being tied to carnivora is honestly pretty limiting as mon designs go. If my favourite types got eeveelutions, I'd probably consider them below average as far as those types go. The interesting thing is obviously the evolution gimmick, but it's losing ground fast as other evolution methods become similarly outlandish. Now, I do like the idea of having a highly-promoted mon represent a large number of types, but my faith in Eevee actually realizing that has tanked after seeing it in the spotlight for Let's Go. So I'm not really looking for that angle anymore and instead focusing on mons that can actually handle the job of being Steel, Ghost, Bug, or Poison.
 
pika pal said:
In Buzzwole's case I wonder if it was a cosmetic form or meant to look like something. Like maybe it's green when it's drained energy from something (per the Mosquito basis). Maybe Nihilego had a similar idea, though not sure on what basis.

I say this because they keep the primary color so intact by how they're laid out compared to others like Guzzlord and Xurkitree. Pheromosa's shiny similarly retains the same "mainly White" color with sort of a "pants" or outfit look rather than changing its overall color palette, perhaps to mirror Buzzwole once they made that its approach to Shiny Color.
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Interesting take, I could definitely see it, though the internal liquid is the thing that (iirc) it drained so I wonder if that wouldn't change too.

maybe it could have moved to the shiny slot because they made it a placeholder shiny after changing the main design to black accents and just decided to keep it as it is
 
Kurona said:
Very likely, Staryu is a big reference to Japanese pop culture icon Ultraman

- Staryu's red core is similar to Ultraman's iconic colour timer
- Staryu's anime cry ("Shyah!") is also similar to the cries the original Ultraman and many others make
- Staryu and Starmie in many Pokédex entries are alluded to be from space or at least have some connection with it
- Staryu and Starmie have many beam-type attacks in their movesets
- "Hitodeman", literally "Starfishman" follows the naming scheme many hero shows at the time would use. For instance, the company that created Ultraman following its success produced shows such as Mirrorman and Fireman
- The "Ultra Star" is a very common setpiece in Ultraman lore and associated themes; in particular it's what the protagonist of 1971's popular series Return of Ultraman called upon to transform
- As laid out here, Gen 1 Pokémon in particular had a LOT of Kaiju influence; many Kaiju in the original Ultraman also used the common '-don' suffix and the concept of Poké Balls as a whole is also thought to be influenced by the very popular Ultraseven's Ultra Capsules. Having a creature influenced by hero characters in amongst all these Kaiju fits the bill

- If any of this seems weak evidence, here's an official video from the Pokémon company featuring Staryu using beam attacks against the kaiju-inspired (as established in this document) Rhydon complete with a theme song and opening characteristic of 60s and 70s Tokusatsu such as Ultraman
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hm, never heard this one and although some of them are definitely back-justifications, it is honestly a fair take given gf's love of tokusatsu.
 
Eeveelutions are fine design wise, they're not super flashy but they ain't super bland either, and that's fine, because they're solid pokemon in their own right.

I don't actively hate any of them as pokemon, but man I wish they gave them something new, SOMETHING to help them stand out from the crowd, because they've started to fall off as the generations continue to progress. (ahem glaceon ahem leafeon ahem flareon)
 
Various gen stuff I got super late last night that I'll post real quick before going off to work:

- Corsola (Saniigo) partially from amigo along with the more obvious sunny and sango
- "regi" of the regis is from "register"... the kanji they list is specifically "primary storage" (一次記憶装置, which they misspell with 一時 (homophonous) instead)... it's not super obvious they're robots (til the movies, anyway) but they're pretty clearly supposed to be
- timaeus and critias for lati@s corroborated here so they were not bullshitting that this is genuinely the origin of the os / as
- Jirachi is from russian (zhelat'; "to wish")... never would have guessed that gamefreak would use russian with no impetus to do so but here we are
- Lucario is from yukari (縁 is the kanji listed after the kana; "to have a relation / affinity to some[thing, one?]"; I guess it makes sense given it has to be in tune with its trainer's aura or whatever? idk) and lycaon (Greek)
- although Togekiss is very obvious "Toge" + "Kiss", apparently this word is supposed to be part of it as well https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/鷁首
- Uxie, Mesprit, and Azelf are in fact references to the term "UMA" (Unidentified Mysterious Animal; word for cryptids ala UAP, UFO, etc.)
- Dialga has 凌駕 (ryouga; to excel) mixed in there
- Giratina's "gira" comes from [drumroll]... gila monsters!
- Arceus is from archi- + Zeus
- Darkrai is from dark + kurai (dark) but apparently also has 喰らい (to consume, I guess as the new moon "consumes" the moon) and "cry" (idk how to spin this one)
- Manaphy is from 真名 (listed with zero explanation of how to interpret this) and ephyra (jellyfish larva)... the latter half makes waaaaay more sense in hindsight because the "phy" is literally right there.
- Shaymin is from xiexie but the "mi" comes from "mini".
 
breh said:
- Giratina's "gira" comes from [drumroll]... gila monsters!
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! That is genuinely hilarious in how anticlimactic it is. Here you had people thinking it had something to do with girasol theorizing the third version was gonna be Opal or something, but no. It's just named after a lizard. This is one of the best parts of these, seeing how complex and overthought some of these names are while completely shooting down equally complex and overthought folk etymologies.
 
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Valoo said:
Seems like Scyther and Rhydon were supposed to have regional forms too (Bug/Fairy and Rock/Electric respectively). Interestingly, they specified that Scizor and Rhyperior DON’T have forms, so I guess they were really married to the Kanto-only thing.
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And it’s possible, that after some time, that they realized the potential backlash and accusation of wasted opportunity if fans discover that Alolan Scyther and Rhydon cannot evolve were they released, so GF scrapped them with Rock / Electric being reworked into Alolan Geodude line. As much as Kanto-only kinda stinks, I’m glad they don’t go as far as coming off making the cross-gen evolution(s) obsolete and GF doesn’t want to give this impression by giving Scyther and Rhydon an Alolan form but not allowing those to evolve.

That might be also partially why they introduces regional form exclusive evolutions in SwSh to compensate (alongside allowing non-Kanto Pokémon getting regional forms), testing water before bringing back traditional cross-gen evolutions as a concept starting in Legends: Arceus in a quality-over-quantity approach akin to Gen 2 and to avoid history repeat of what happened to Gen 4.
 
Valoo said:
Seems like Scyther and Rhydon were supposed to have regional forms too (Bug/Fairy and Rock/Electric respectively). Interestingly, they specified that Scizor and Rhyperior DON’T have forms, so I guess they were really married to the Kanto-only thing.
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These along with the (previously known) Alolan Snorlax and Water/Fairy Alolan Dewgong have been amazing to learn about. And it’s pretty incredible how you can potentially trace all of those scrapped concepts to a different Pokémon/form also introduced in SM.

Alolan Snorlax may have been replaced on Hala’s team by Hariyama, but Crabominable may also partially owe its completion to it. Alolan Dewgong would have given way to Primarina. Scyther’s typing may allude to an orchid mantis, which may have been retooled into Lurantis. Finally, Alolan Rhydon’s typing was simply given to the only Rock and Ground full line from Gen 1.

I really hope we are able to see concept art for these and any others that are referenced in text.
 
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