But if we're assuming you already know that they're going to SD, why not just switch in a CB mamoswine and kill it with ice shard? If you know the set in advance it's easy to counter, but Lopunny is oh-so-very-dead switching into garchomp on any actual attack.
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Garchomp, the most broken pokemon in OU.
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Cause if you encore a swords dance, garchomp has to switch out, and lopunny can set-up for itself, as it can baton pass charge beams. (garchomp better not stay in... :P) And if the chomp doesn't have swords dance, it doesn't sweep all too well. (I think)
Golduck = counter/focus sash for a revenge kill. Sandslash and cacturne too. It's not that overspecialized, since counter/focus sash should work against all physical attackers provided you don't switch into an attack.
Lopunny was just an example. Alakazam is the last unmentioned encorer faster than chomp. :P But yeah, alot of danger rides on the switch.
Infernape is one too, just a note.
That's still just prediction cause it can't switch into any actual attack, and CB/Scarf chomp variants still sweep quite effectively...
I mean, I can say "switch CB Weavile into a choice spec'd mewtwo's psychic and OHKO with pursuit", but that doesn't make mewtwo OU by any stretch of the imagination.
You say Garchomp has no counters, so how exactly do you propose to beat Garchomp? Going by that logic, you must sacrifice a pokemon to beat Garchomp, because nothing can switch in safely and pose an immediate threat (a loose definition of a counter). You say people are to worried about countering things, but what the hell are they supposed to do? If people don't pack something that can switch into Garchomp, then they're going to lose a pokemon every time Garchomp comes in. Don't bring up prediction like "My Gengar can come in on EQ" because all I'm going to say is "Well I used Dragon Claw / Outrage, so you're Gengar got KO'd"
I didn't plan on replying to this thread any more, but you have said NOTHING besides Garchomp has no counters (which is an arguement to make it uber) and that everyone else is wrong. You have made no actual point to argue about that I have seen.
That's just it. It is all prediction. :P Isn't that the point though? xD If a garchomp switches into your... say, blissey...(just an example) I'd be pretty sure it would swords dance, as it could not hope to 2 hit ko blissey at full health. Either that, or it would predict a switch, and swords dance up anyway. But if it switches into an electivire's earthquake or thunderbolt, you can be pretty sure it'll attack back, and that's when you don't switch into lopunny or co.
*maybe I'm just bad at explaining what I mean... :P*
Rofl so he's not uber, discussion over?
I'm home after 7pm - i THINK that's 4pm in your time.
Ok dudes. IN MY OPNION (happy?) the best method to stop a Garchomp is just not switching out. Attack him, even if he's gonna kill you before. Because if you switch, you can give him a substitute and he'll sweep you. So, let your pokemon die and THEN send something that hits hard to kills him. There are many options, even a Snorlax works. (But it's better if you get something faster than garchomp.) He'll probably swith out but youre gonna hit hard whatever comes in, and that's good.
Or, as you know he's switching out, you can start a set-up, like curse.
"But wait Garchomp is still in play, he'll come again and I'm gonna loose another pokemon!"
No, you know his moveset now, you'll not send a pokemon that can be fucked by Garchomp.
Or, you actually can. Send a pokemon that'll lure the garchomp, and immediately change to your hard hitter. Garchomp is gonna run again and you'll get another hard hit in whatever he sents in.
Well, thats MY OPNION okay? For ME, if you just analyze well the situation you'll find many scapeways even when your team have no specific counters for him.
It's not OU, it's only being tested on shoddy. Smogon still says it's uber.
I really hope Wobbuffet goes back to ubers... Its no fun to play against...
Cb'd 252 jolly Garchomp's outrage is 77.76% - 91.42% to a 148/252 blissey. A possible OHKO with SR on the field and definitely a 2HKO at any other time.
If for some reason Garchomp is adamant, it's almost definitely an OHKO with SR up and a threatened OHKO by RNG @ 85.32% - 100.29%
Choiced EQ is similarly a 2HKO. So it's not entirely out of the question for you to want to dent the fat pink wall severely.
Not that Garchomp is necessarily going to do those things, but it's just an example of how mispredicting is going to cost you big here.
So you're saying the best way to beat Garchomp is to just sacrifice one of your pokemon to it, so that you can bring in something that can not normally switch in to threaten Garchomp? Nice.
Wobba > BellyZard or Wobba > Smeargle > Lucario is the worst. It's caused me to put Shed Shell on my leadoff pokemon. Talk about overcentralization.
And WindScar, Substitute Garchomp is the easiest type of Garchomp to counter, given that it only has two attacks. That's not the kind to worry about.
I agree. Subchomp is just bait for Skarmory.
Um isn't that whole exact point of why we have 'revenge killers' ? Because to my general knowledge, usually something dies to something so you can bring something else in that's faster to kill it.
Also on another note, the way you beat something without having a counter to it is simple. It's called they can't counter you. If I BP'd a SD or two to an Agility random Poke, do you think I'm too worried about something sweeping my team? You'll never have an ANYTHING weak if you're playing to your own strategy. There's a difference between playing to sweep, and playing not to be swept.
...and the STAB on Dragon/Ground, of course. That combination on Salamence? Threatening still, yes, but not quite as hard-hitting.
Not everytime, but if your opponent sends it in something that it WILL kill, like a Metagross with 35% HP, yes, you're loosing 1 pokemon.
That's what I do. People usually switch out to a "counter" pokemon, just to keep Metagross. Thats when I substitute, swords dance and sweep. They don't realize they're saving one and loosing six.
That's what I mean when i say garchomp is different. You can't act with it like you would with certain pokemons, sending in their conters. No... you have to analyze the sittuation and do the move that cover all things he can do bestly.
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Yes, but you don't know if its a subchomp or not.
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