Again, your opponent was a moron. He should have switched when you encored him (seeing as he would be allowed to since he traced shadow tag).
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Garchomp, the most broken pokemon in OU.
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UGH I NEED TO STOP QUOTING MASSIVE LOGS WHEN REPLYING SHORTLY LIKE THIS
Because there's no point showing a log to try to prove anything is OU/Uber.Yes,i've learned the hard way:jump:
Because there's no point showing a log to try to prove anything is OU/Uber.Yes,i've learned the hard way:jump:
I'm more concerned that even if there was a level headed discussion about Garchomp. Even if it was eventually determined that it is broken which in all fairness has been proven strongly in both theorymon and in actual practice. The call/suggestion of barring Garchomp to Ubers would fall on deaf ears.
Too many factors out there why but most of them I suspect is more social/mindset of being accustomed and conservative since this is a highly unusual and major change. If Garchomp was to be barred from the standard game. Its more the matter of some place who has to be the first to stick their foot in the door and do it. Even if it results in getting their foot caught in the door.
Too many factors out there why but most of them I suspect is more social/mindset of being accustomed and conservative since this is a highly unusual and major change. If Garchomp was to be barred from the standard game. Its more the matter of some place who has to be the first to stick their foot in the door and do it. Even if it results in getting their foot caught in the door.
Please tell me how your thread has any sort of developed argument going towards it. All I see is a log.
And to Jump, thanks for the feedback. I too think Colin is a great admin/poke-warlord. I think I already know Colin's stance on the matter, though :/ (He said it in the chat, maybe my thread has swayed him a little since =D )
:( But if I beat stupid kids on Shoddy all day, which shoddy is 90% comprised of, isn't that making Wobby uber? The only thing that counters the 3 pokemon trifecta is Sheddy lol or Taunt, but noone is smart enough to use it! I cant believe Garchomp, who is EASILY countered, warrants this much discussion. While wobbuffet, a true beast, is rampaging through teams as I type this.
because i am, it is 100% people like him that invariably derail threads like this and im sick of it
i am this close to banning you outright, you have not read a word of our rules and how they state you need to back up your arguments with actual discussion (not logs against novices or unbacked statements like "x is easily countered") and this is your last warning
It's just these bawwing kids don't understand why Ice is such a good attack, eh? You want to ban me because I'm stating the #1 attacking move in the game happens to be Chomp's weakness? He IS easy to counter. This thread is 10x worse than mine. Let
s see some chomp 6-0 logs, ok? Oh, then that thread would be locked lol
s see some chomp 6-0 logs, ok? Oh, then that thread would be locked lol
in after b&
(couldn't resist, sorry Jump, but it's pretty amusing that he repeatedly ignored your warnings).
Something I've been wondering is whether or not this thread's aim will ever be achieved, that being whether or not Garchomp will be officially tested. Do you guys see it happening? Jump made a pretty good point that the majority of people here don't know what they're talking about despite at least being literate (Uh-oh, talking about myself here, why do I continue typing?) I know I already stated my opinion awhile back but after thinking about it more, I'm back on the fence regarding Garchomp being bumped to ubers. All it really does need is an Ice Shard from a reasonably powerful attacker to bring it down much like Tyranitar will succumb to any decent fighting attack... problem being that if you lack Ice Shard/the other guy has a Yache berry/sub, then you're in trouble. Another issue is the Sand Veil problem which can go on forever.
(couldn't resist, sorry Jump, but it's pretty amusing that he repeatedly ignored your warnings).
Something I've been wondering is whether or not this thread's aim will ever be achieved, that being whether or not Garchomp will be officially tested. Do you guys see it happening? Jump made a pretty good point that the majority of people here don't know what they're talking about despite at least being literate (Uh-oh, talking about myself here, why do I continue typing?) I know I already stated my opinion awhile back but after thinking about it more, I'm back on the fence regarding Garchomp being bumped to ubers. All it really does need is an Ice Shard from a reasonably powerful attacker to bring it down much like Tyranitar will succumb to any decent fighting attack... problem being that if you lack Ice Shard/the other guy has a Yache berry/sub, then you're in trouble. Another issue is the Sand Veil problem which can go on forever.
Ideally, the thread's aim will be achieved in a roundabout way, if the community has enough members who are willing to go through the predictably long and arduous process that testing most of the current ubers' "viability" (we may agree upon a better word but you should know what I mean) will undoubtedly be. It should all work itself out in the end, whenever that is.
Back on topic! Can someone give me an example of a team that isn't afraid of Garchomp at all (maybe that's asking for too much, but maybe one that handles him "nicely")?
I'm thinking its gonna look somethine like this:
Hippo, Impish (252Hp,252Def)
-Ice Fang
-Slack Off
Skarmory, Impish (252Hp,252 Def)
-Whirlind
-Spikes
-Brave Bird/Drill Peck
-Roost
**(Bronzong with Hypnosis and or Hp Ice could be used instead of Skarmory)
Fast Ice User (Starmie, Hp Ice Gar). Make sure they run enough at least 334 speed and enough special attack to OHKO (or close to it). This stops SD Chomp.
Maybe add in another fast Ice User (Or use Ice Shard + CB). Or a really bulky one like Suicune or Slowbro.
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This an ideal Garchomp proof team to me. And it needs at 3/6 slots to be effective. I don't know about you guys, but having half my team already picked out for me to cover one pokemon in the game is pretty suck. Now I know that the three pokemon I put up are good pokemon in their own right, but this means I have to use Hippo+floaty Steel in every single one of my teams or I will probably be liable to Garchomp rape.
I think its rofl that one of the better Garchomp counters gives him Sand Veil for free too. Way to go Gamefreak.
I'm thinking its gonna look somethine like this:
Hippo, Impish (252Hp,252Def)
-Ice Fang
-Slack Off
Skarmory, Impish (252Hp,252 Def)
-Whirlind
-Spikes
-Brave Bird/Drill Peck
-Roost
**(Bronzong with Hypnosis and or Hp Ice could be used instead of Skarmory)
Fast Ice User (Starmie, Hp Ice Gar). Make sure they run enough at least 334 speed and enough special attack to OHKO (or close to it). This stops SD Chomp.
Maybe add in another fast Ice User (Or use Ice Shard + CB). Or a really bulky one like Suicune or Slowbro.
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This an ideal Garchomp proof team to me. And it needs at 3/6 slots to be effective. I don't know about you guys, but having half my team already picked out for me to cover one pokemon in the game is pretty suck. Now I know that the three pokemon I put up are good pokemon in their own right, but this means I have to use Hippo+floaty Steel in every single one of my teams or I will probably be liable to Garchomp rape.
I think its rofl that one of the better Garchomp counters gives him Sand Veil for free too. Way to go Gamefreak.
A Hail team. Fuck yeah.
Stick Blizzard on everything. Outrage is hell, but non-boosted neutral damage Outrage won't OHKO anything sturdy. Go Blizzard retaliation.
How is Salamence any different? Or Tyranitar?
Isn't that the definition of over-centralizing? If only Hail Teams are Garchomp's counters then that is:
A). Over centralizing.
B). If a team of 6 needs to be used to take down one pokemon, that is outrageous.
C). Over centralizing
Yeah, I can't think of another reason, and Over-Centralizing is very important.
Tyranitar is slow and it's STAB combo isn't the greatest when it's resisted by both fighting and steel. The best it can hit fighting types with are unSTABed earthquakes. Not to mention it has 6 weaknesses.
Salamence is stealth rock weak, can't outrun base 100s, doesn't have the broken sand veil ability etc. Also physical versions don't get swords dance or outrage. Once again, not such a great STAB combo. flying is meh, aerial ace is it's strongest flying move besides fly iirc
Blue Harvest replied to this question:
xfrisco said:
She said that Hail teams handle Garchomp nicely, not that you NEED to run a hail team to beat Garchomp. Don't be so quick to jump on the "OMG OVERCENTRALISING" boat.
EDIT - Sorry Blue Harvest, I forgot you were a girl, my mistake.
Sorry! God. I say one thing and then get yelled at. I didn't see that so no need to jump down my throat.
She. Stop doing that.
Actually using a decent Hail team doesn't seem like so much of a bad idea. By design, hail teams are even easier to build then sand since you aren't limited as much. Unlike sand teams, you shouldn't worry as much about hurting yourself since your opponent's team will be hurt as bad, but you get the advantage of preparing by sticking Blizzard on everything. You can abuse some things, like Regice or Walrein, but nothing is REALLY required.
Also no sand veil!
But then Snow Cloak BP mamoswine will get classed as overpowered since you cant hit it. Lol.
Okay let's try reverse logic.
Everyone single person, use a Garchomp yourself. And if or when you lose, take note of how they did it. That's your answer. However faulty that logic may be, it sure as hell beats everyone acting like they're allergic to Garchomp
Everyone single person, use a Garchomp yourself. And if or when you lose, take note of how they did it. That's your answer. However faulty that logic may be, it sure as hell beats everyone acting like they're allergic to Garchomp
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