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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-47826946
I think this is a net positive; there’s criticism about the effect this could have of freedom of speech but honestly I think it’s mostly uncalled for, especially considering that the final laws will obviously have legislation to prevent infringement of basic FoS rights.

It's not uncalled for, the vagueness of the law makes it possible to use it for censorship in the future. So, as usual, it depends on the way this will be implemented, and would you really trust them with that power? Based on precedent I wouldn't...

Heuristic: always distrust a ''think of the children'' argument
 
It's not uncalled for, the vagueness of the law makes it possible to use it for censorship in the future. So, as usual, it depends on the way this will be implemented, and would you really trust them with that power? Based on precedent I wouldn't...

Heuristic: always distrust a ''think of the children'' argument
I think the vagueness thing is a fair point, and I’ll be looking towards how this gets expanded on later; however as much as I hate our current government, I’ve never really jived with the distrust thing on matters like this in the case of a government like that of the UK because no matter how I look at it almost anything (keyword: almost) is better than what we have right now.

As for freedom of speech concerns, counter heuristic: always be wary around freedom of speech criticism relating to the regulation of potentially harmful ideas (or, more specifically, always be wary around the people who immediately raise the argument in such cases)

I think I generally agree with Privacy International’s take, so I’m gonna leave it here:
https://privacyinternational.org/news/2779/pis-take-uk-governments-new-proposal-tackle-online-harms
 
I think the vagueness thing is a fair point, and I’ll be looking towards how this gets expanded on later; however as much as I hate our current government, I’ve never really jived with the distrust thing on matters like this in the case of a government like that of the UK because no matter how I look at it almost anything (keyword: almost) is better than what we have right now.

As for freedom of speech concerns, counter heuristic: always be wary around freedom of speech criticism relating to the regulation of potentially harmful ideas (or, more specifically, always be wary around the people who immediately raise the argument in such cases)

I think I generally agree with Privacy International’s take, so I’m gonna leave it here:
https://privacyinternational.org/news/2779/pis-take-uk-governments-new-proposal-tackle-online-harms

My point is that if this law is needed (I would agree it is) then using kids as the only argument for it shouldn't be necessary. Worse, they cite an example in the article of a kid being harmed being the reason this law is being pushed... but even that example isn't particularly convincing.

In any case, this would look much better if they had simply defined the things that need to be banned properly. If they're concerned about self-harm images, terrorism videos, etc they shouldn't have added something vague like ''misinformation'' as part of the things to regulate. If they had made things clear there would be no freedom of speech criticism.

If in the end, the law ends up being fair, great. But given how often governments have taken advantage of these situations to introduce censorship in disguise, I wouldn't mock people for being worried about it, that sort of criticism might keep lawmakers in check.
 
in cased u missed the spectacle this week, we're going full brazil over here in the USA. our politicians are doubling down on the 'all muslims are terrorists' line, especially elected members of congress, while Obama and the FBI are to go down for colluding with a foreign gov to tamper with Trump's 2016 campaign according to the guy in charge of the Mueller report. I already heard one republican senator spin the whole exercise as a way of protecting the Democratic candidates from "Trump's FBI". Meanwhile somehow Chelsea Manning is getting thrown under for all this, while Democratic leaders remain spineless, gutless fish ready to be devoured by the cultists of American conservatism.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/apr/10/ilhan-omar-republicans-9-11-claims
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...-did-occur-on-trump-campaign-during-obama-era
 
this week: the DoJ discards international law and norm regarding the treatment of refugees, not a good omen for potential future American refugees, I would point out.


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/apr/16/trump-administration-
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The Trump administration has opened the door to a seismic overhaul of immigration and asylum procedure that could lead to the indefinite detention of thousands of asylum seekers who cross the border illegally.
The US attorney general, William Barr, on Tuesday issued guidanceoverruling a precedent set by George W Bush’s justice department in 2005, which enshrined asylum seekers’ right to bond, irrespective of how they entered the country.
Barr stated in his updated guidance that the 2005 decision was “wrongly decided” and he would move to block immigration judges from offering people who have crossed the border illegally and have established a reasonable claim of torture or persecution the chance of release as their cases are decided in immigration court."

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/apr/16/trump-yemen-war-veto-military-aid
and the shameful selling-out of the executive branch to a foreign regime.
 
the only ones who have control over US foreign policy are the members of the deep state and the president simply has to comply, he has little say in the matter. doesnt mean he would be all pro-pulling out of yemen otherwise but just know that no american president who runs on a platform of isolationism or something to that effect will never accomplish anything of the sort because they would never be allowed to do any of that
 
I was depressed and opted to read top 3

I gotta disagree with the quote on quote "deep state" idea. At this point we are cycled information that only applies to DC+ area of affect bais or not. I think it's highly important to understand state level more so and local because technically speaking immigration as far as boards concerned can't be a political issue outside of raw policy

On paper if we record any crossing that should go into a data mapping chart where there are pings for each spot+ prevention methods. Good methods of algorithms should easily be able to pin point critical areas and human reasoning should be good enough to ask the right questions for that. Currently we have less than and 1/8 of the boarder covered with raw barriers but all and all are doing pretty fucking solid


Pretty pro wall arguement honestly if that's what anyone wants to hear^^^^^^

I don't life is actually worth living anymore in a philosophical manner. I think no one on this forum will ever be able to live without a phone glued to them waking up and throughout the day like a blinding tracking device used to sell us more ads without care for our happiness(gas station pumps)

I think we will continue to lower the standards for happiness and rise entertainment to a point trying is actually pointless and we will adapt to be imprisoned or kill ourselves till we reach a critical point of enslavement to the systems of technology

I'm not speaking in terms of classes or intelligence just merely hey... I wanna fuck... better go online and be tracked and sorted into a bracket


My only hope in life is the 2nd law of thermodynamics

I don't believe in God but I hope for choas in the sense, what I know isn't true. What is life and dead dreams might be a chance for something interesting and not mindless to progress and to have what feels like a soul to touch another instead of being in a box locked scared of the dust gaining in dreams

Just very emotional and have no outlet
 
interesting article covering the very university i attend

University of melbourne discussing censoring white males

Tensions have flared at the University of Melbourne after a workshop suggested “white males” and those who look like “Liberal voters” be forbidden from speaking during classes in a bid to dismantle privilege.
Participating students at the “How privilege manifests in tutorials” workshop held last week were told that “white, male students” and “students resembling Liberal voters” should be discouraged from speaking to provide more space for women and non-binary people to contribute to discussions during tutorials.

The workshop was part of the university’s “Radical Education Week”, which is organised by the University of Melbourne Student Union’s Environment Collective.


Other workshops included “Why & How to Be Less Employed”, “A School Striker’s Experience” and “Climate vs Capitalism: Eco-socialism as an Alternative”.

The student union funded the series of workshops through the Student Services and Amenities Fee, a mandatory annual fee paid by full-time students to fund student support services as well as societies and the university magazine.

Chris Kounelis, president of the Melbourne University Liberal Club, said the workshop was a ridiculous use of the SSAF, which this year cost full-time students $303, and contributed more than $6 million to the union’s coffers last year.


“Yet another initiative from our student union which provides little benefit for the mainstream students who pay for it,” Mr Kounelis said.

“Students should not be expected to fund this left-wing lunacy out of their own pockets.”

Student Thomas Carlyle-James, 21, did not attend the workshop but said he was not surprised that white males would be discouraged from speaking.

“The tutors and lecturers have a very heavy left-wing bias and generally sort of belittle any other opinion,” he said.

“They represent capitalist authors and Liberal thinkers like (John Stuart) Mill as old racists.”

The politics student, a member of the Liberal Club, said university life was increasingly hostile to students who held conservative views, an atmosphere stoked by the regular presence of GetUp and groups such as Socialist Alternative.

“There’s generally this sort of idea that Liberals are all racist, rich, white kids,” he said.

“I know plenty of Liberals and none of them are racists and they aren’t as wealthy as people think and are also from all different nationalities.”

Students are graded on their participation in tutorials and Mr Carlyle-James said white, male students could potentially be marked down if they weren’t allowed to speak.

UMSU president Molly Willmott said the workshop aimed to support students from diverse backgrounds.

“This is not about stopping people from speaking,” she said.

“We’re a university that encourages free speech.

“It’s about giving space to people who don’t feel included on university campuses because of things like gender, language (and) queerness.”

A University of Melbourne spokeswoman said there was no policy that prevented white male students from talking during tutorials. “This is a workshop run by UMSU,” she said.

“What is discussed is not university policy.”

basically Uni melb student union is discussing whether white male voices should be discouraged in tutorials as they exert too great an influence on discourse currently

what do people think about this? perhaps the left does exert a greater influence on academia then we (as the left) would like to admit? do any conservatives have similar stories?
 
Bad news: identity politics is going to get worse before it gets better.

My take on the situation is that they did not set up the tutorials properly for the minorities if the liberal white men were able to dominate the conversation. If they just let an open and unstructured dialogue to happen, then it's only natural that the majority will dominate the conversation. Please correct me if that's not what happened.
 
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Interesting article, because it's a nice example of framing a topic in such a way that the lefties unfairly come out looking like lunatics. Let me break it down:
Tensions have flared at the University of Melbourne after a workshop suggested “white males” and those who look like “Liberal voters” be forbidden from speaking during classes in a bid to dismantle privilege.
Participating students at the “How privilege manifests in tutorials” workshop held last week were told that “white, male students” and “students resembling Liberal voters” should be discouraged from speaking to provide more space for women and non-binary people to contribute to discussions during tutorials.
So for most of the article, this is all we know about the UMSU's proposal. A very brief description of the UMSU's proposal framed in a negative light ("silencing conservative white men" vs "amplifying the voices of minorities" you dig?). We will soon get to hear plenty of people talking about how stupid they think this is before the topic is properly laid out. Also, interestingly enough, the writer starts off saying white males and Liberal voters should be "forbidden" to speak according to the UMSU, only to weaken it to "discouraged" one sentence later. What's up with that? Judging by the second sentence, nobody is trying to forbid anyone from doing anything here, so to say the UMSU "suggests" that white males should be censored seems like a bit of a stretch.
The workshop was part of the university’s “Radical Education Week”, which is organised by the University of Melbourne Student Union’s Environment Collective.


Other workshops included “Why & How to Be Less Employed”, “A School Striker’s Experience” and “Climate vs Capitalism: Eco-socialism as an Alternative”.
Dropping some other controversial workshop titles to further discredit the UMSU's stance. How to be less employed? Striking? SOCIALISM??? Clearly these guys are lazy fucking cultural marxists!
The student union funded the series of workshops through the Student Services and Amenities Fee, a mandatory annual fee paid by full-time students to fund student support services as well as societies and the university magazine.

Chris Kounelis, president of the Melbourne University Liberal Club, said the workshop was a ridiculous use of the SSAF, which this year cost full-time students $303, and contributed more than $6 million to the union’s coffers last year.


“Yet another initiative from our student union which provides little benefit for the mainstream students who pay for it,” Mr Kounelis said.

“Students should not be expected to fund this left-wing lunacy out of their own pockets.”
And of course they pay this lunacy out of OUR POCKETS!!1! Now maybe this person has a point here, but some quick research showed me that the offices of the UMSU are democratically elected so I figure it's a matter of "if you don't like what they're doing with your taxes, vote for someone else."
Student Thomas Carlyle-James, 21, did not attend the workshop but said he was not surprised that white males would be discouraged from speaking.
"I didn't actually listen to them but I'm sure that what they said was really offensive!!" lmaooo. Anyway moving on.
“The tutors and lecturers have a very heavy left-wing bias and generally sort of belittle any other opinion,” he said.

“They represent capitalist authors and Liberal thinkers like (John Stuart) Mill as old racists.”

The politics student, a member of the Liberal Club, said university life was increasingly hostile to students who held conservative views, an atmosphere stoked by the regular presence of GetUp and groups such as Socialist Alternative.

“There’s generally this sort of idea that Liberals are all racist, rich, white kids,” he said.

“I know plenty of Liberals and none of them are racists and they aren’t as wealthy as people think and are also from all different nationalities.”

Students are graded on their participation in tutorials and Mr Carlyle-James said white, male students could potentially be marked down if they weren’t allowed to speak.
So now we go from "we don't like what this one workshop said" to "there is a leftist propaganda war against conservative students." Three different guy's get to say a bunch of anecdotal shit to give off the impression that the university is some sort of oppressive leftist bulwark with no room for dissenting voices and at no point are these statements countered in the article. Notice also how in the final sentence quoted here, mister "Carlyle-James" (lol) talks about the UMSU workshop as though it is actual university policy, when in reality no university would ever combine "students' grades are based in participation" with "white males are not allowed to participate" (and in fact the latter would never even be considered for university policy but whatever). Really insidious and dishonest framing tbh.
UMSU president Molly Willmott said the workshop aimed to support students from diverse backgrounds.

“This is not about stopping people from speaking,” she said.

“We’re a university that encourages free speech.

“It’s about giving space to people who don’t feel included on university campuses because of things like gender, language (and) queerness.”

A University of Melbourne spokeswoman said there was no policy that prevented white male students from talking during tutorials. “This is a workshop run by UMSU,” she said.

“What is discussed is not university policy.”
The nuance has finally arrived, but only at the very bottom of the text, and in rather minimal quantities. We've already seen alarming stuff about white males being forbidden to speak during classes (which now turns out to be based on absolutely nothing), biased leftist tutors, and tax-paid socialist workshops. Conservatives are crying wolf over nothing as per usual, it's literally about one workshop at one university attended by a very limited number of people and it's blown up into this grand conspiracy against everything not socialist and politically correct. And then that shit gets printed in a national newspaper, lmao.
 
Man, not knowing what the Australian was, I figured it was a campus publication. This kind of shitty yellow journalism is what one would expect from a campus paper. You're telling me that this was actual national news? That's incredible.
 
Apparently, by just merely threatening to raise tariffs from China, Trump has already caused China's stock market to plummet.
More than 5 trillion RMB has been lost in stock ALONE. (Around $738 billion USD)
Most Chinese people have no idea because the news was censored.

https://www.am730.com.hk/news/新聞/特朗普一tweet中港股消失5萬億-貿易談判若破裂恐瀉兩成-171595(This news is from Hong Kong, not Mainland China. News about tariffs are completely censored in Mainland China.)
 
Apparently, by just merely threatening to raise tariffs from China, Trump has already caused China's stock market to plummet.
More than 5 trillion RMB has been lost in stock ALONE. (Around $738 billion USD)
Most Chinese people have no idea because the news was censored.

https://www.am730.com.hk/news/新聞/特朗普一tweet中港股消失5萬億-貿易談判若破裂恐瀉兩成-171595(This news is from Hong Kong, not Mainland China. News about tariffs are completely censored in Mainland China.)
Relax. The money are moved around, not lost in the markets. Generally, the stock markets only go down to provide liquidity for the banks to get even more money down the line.
 
Most countries stock is speculative. If china won't be growing at a fixed rate of X%/year, no more stock bubble
 
https://nintendowire.com/news/2019/...-loot-boxes-and-pay-to-win-microtransactions/
Hot news out of Washington this morning, as US Senator Josh Hawley (R-MO) has introduced a bill (dubbed “The Protecting Children from Abusive Games Act”) intended to ban loot boxes and pay-to-win microtransactions in “games played by minors,” a label that apparently includes both games marketed at children and games for adults “whose developers knowingly allow minor players to engage in microtransactions.”

“When a game is designed for kids, game developers shouldn’t be allowed to monetize addiction,” Hawley said in a press release. “And when kids play games designed for adults, they should be walled off from compulsive microtransactions. Game developers who knowingly exploit children should face legal consequences.”

Personally, I think that loot boxes shouldn't be in games marketed towards children, regardless to whether it's gambling at all.
I think that exploiting children was immoral, since kids are likely to have weaker self control.

However, I don't see the issue with pay to win.
 
Do you believe loot boxes, skins, etc, constitute gambling? What about pokemon cards?
No. And I thought I have already said that.
I want to know why you have to ask me that.

Pokemon cards are way less addictive than video games.

Anyway, I have nothing against gambling for adults.
 
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No. And I thought I have already said that.
I want to know why you have to ask me that.

Pokemon cards are way less addictive than video games.

Anyway, I have nothing against gambling for adults.
Lootboxes already have gambling elements in them. They are purposely DESIGNED to be like slot machines, to cause dophamine hits at the chance of getting rare items. If regulators are going to say that lootboxes are damaging children because it is addicting them, then I don't see how people can have the opinion that lootboxes AREN'T gambling. Big mental gymnastics at work.

Pokemon cards have had many controversies about whether they are gambling or not. It's just a simple question
 
Lootboxes already have gambling elements in them. They are purposely DESIGNED to be like slot machines, to cause dophamine hits at the chance of getting rare items. If regulators are going to say that lootboxes are damaging children because it is addicting them, then I don't see how people can have the opinion that lootboxes AREN'T gambling. Big mental gymnastics at work.

Pokemon cards have had many controversies about whether they are gambling or not. It's just a simple question
There is not an international unified standard definition for gambling, so what is gambling or not is subject to debate.
Not all things that are addictive are gambling. Simple logic.
For example, pay to win isn't gambling neither.
More over, just because something isn't gambling, doesn't mean it's not bad.
 
When you stick a quarter in a slot machine, you either win money or lose your quarter. The most basic form of gambling.

When you buy a Pokemon (or any tcg) booster pack, you take home 11 cards. You're buying a product. This isn't gambling.

With digital products, it gets a little grayer. You're still buying a "product," but can you equate a character skin or weapon in your inventory to a physical trading card? Or what about digital booster packs? Also, what will become of draft formats if booster packs are roped off from underage customers? From what I understand, that was the intent of boosters way back when MtG was made, to be draftable, deck building products. This still applies to draft formats on MtG Arena, the digital platform, and Hearthstone's Arena draft format (among other digital tcg games).

If the provisions don't exist to exclude them, legislation to ban loot boxes by way of gambling could open a can of worms with other randomized elements of games such as booster packs. So, I think real, tangible products shouldn't get lumped into any sort of loot box/gambling bill, but as for digital ones, I could see that going either way.
 
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