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let me add to this. getting "attacked" was the best thing that happened to andy ngo in his career. look through his pre-rally tweets here:
https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo

he's tweeting literal black crime mugshots and farcical ilhan omar conspiracy theories while grifting on patreon. now look at the spike he had in twitter followers:
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a wsj op-ed! that's a step up from tweeting mugshots. he sure got that out quickly, too -- his supposed brain damage didnt slow him down one bit. add to that his fixation on "hoaxes" and their prominence and dont you at least have to wonder, maybe, if it seems too good to be true for him because it is? he knows he can get away with it because of:

https://www.portlandmercury.com/blo...ship-between-portland-cops-and-patriot-prayer
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...0e035b928683&usg=AOvVaw2dIMsMYEkyOe9GY1rSs0qF

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Shrug said:
if you believe getting milkshaked or egged is assault you're simply wrong. you wouldnt call that an assault in real life, even the kicking stuff. the "punch" wouldve been an assault had it not been staged, which it was
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1. By definition that is assault lmfao
2. Milkshakes with Quickcrete sound pretty damn painful, let alone the bloody brain hemmorhage the guy suffered.
 
Shrug said:
let me add to this. getting "attacked" was the best thing that happened to andy ngo in his career. look through his pre-rally tweets here:
https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo

he's tweeting literal black crime mugshots and farcical ilhan omar conspiracy theories while grifting on patreon. now look at the spike he had in twitter followers:
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and this:
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a wsj op-ed! that's a step up from tweeting mugshots. he sure got that out quickly, too -- his supposed brain damage didnt slow him down one bit. add to that his fixation on "hoaxes" and their prominence and dont you at least have to wonder, maybe, if it seems too good to be true for him because it is? he knows he can get away with it because of:

https://www.portlandmercury.com/blo...ship-between-portland-cops-and-patriot-prayer
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjVzq6K6JfjAhUjhuAKHU3HBq8QFjAAegQIAhAB&url=https://www.huffpost.com/entry/proud-boys-chat-logs-premeditate-rally-violence-in-leaked-chats_n_5ce1e231e4b00e035b928683&usg=AOvVaw2dIMsMYEkyOe9GY1rSs0qF

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@Shurg this is hardly convincing evidence that this is a 'staged' attack. Secondly is even if Andy DID have a bad history battery and physical assault for reasons outside of self defense and the defense of others is a crime liable for legal punishment and jailtime so there is no excuse for defending the violent thugs who self-proclaim to be Anti-facist. Hiding behind masks only indicates they are literally out for violence as they can get away with their identity concealed. Carlos Maza from Vox tried to defend Antifa from this following video and oh boy was the reception not good for him.


Boy that's a lot of dislikes^.

Also I love the irony from your signature. For one I'm not white either and I just tagged you and just assuming people who 'tag' you or reply to your posts are all white people is already wrong on itself. Secondly is deliberately gaslighting that all white people simply are 'racists' and have 'white guilt that stems through you' which even I don't know what it means (LOL) is both hypocrisy and ignorance to its highest degree. The American president who signed the emancipation proclamation was Caucasian, many union soldiers who died on the front line to ensure slaves can be freed were also Caucasian. A lot of people who fought to end segregation are also Caucasian. Many anti-discrimination laws were also signed by Caucasian judges and officials and many civil rights activities today that actively fight against racism and discrimination are also Caucasian. You really need to study your own history before coming to the conclusion that all white people deserve to be gaslighted.

Friendly reminder reverse racism is still racism. Self proclaimed 'anti-racist' activist Tim Wise doesn't understand that so I hope you don't make the same mistake he did.
 
orch said:
OK, still no actual evidence that he staged this attack.
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a textbook example of a staged crime hoax will be Jussie Smollett. The democrats just don't understand why no one trusts the mainstream news right? First the alleged 'hate crime' regarding the Covington catholic kids and then now this. CNN only recently laid off quite a significant number of their staff because both their approval ratings have dropped an all time low and their viewership are declining sharply and it really doesn't take a genius to understand why.
 
Shrug said:
a kid i knew threw milk on another kid in 8th grade. wonder if the statute of limitations has run out for his victim to file an assault claim. pretty sad that you're reaching that far but if you have to defend rightwing terrorist orgs you gotta take your opportunities where theyre manufactured for you
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A terrorist by definition is 'a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.' according to oxford dictionaries. There isn't a single shred of evidence that Andy even remotely attempted to do any of this.

Also please take my advice and self evaluate yourself - Stop comparing conservatives and right wingers or really anyone you don't agree with as 'nazis' and 'terrorists'. It is extremely offensive to compare one journalist as well as any other political groups regardless left or right to an entire political group that wants to wipe out an entire race of humans off of the planet and started a world war that costed many other nations many more millions of lives and many more in deep misery and suffering. This is also a massive offense to families that actually lost their loved ones via terrorist attacks. It literally cheapens what actual Nazis have done back in the last century as well as actual terrorists that claimed many innocent lives in actual terrorist attacks.

Thank you for being so understanding.
 
Ashaebi said:
Also I love the irony from your signature. For one I'm not white either and I just tagged you and just assuming people who 'tag' you or reply to your posts are all white people is already wrong on itself. Secondly is deliberately gaslighting that all white people simply are 'racists' and have 'white guilt that stems through you' which even I don't know what it means (LOL) is both hypocrisy and ignorance to its highest degree. The American president who signed the emancipation proclamation was Caucasian, many union soldiers who died on the front line to ensure slaves can be freed were also Caucasian. A lot of people who fought to end segregation are also Caucasian. Many anti-discrimination laws were also signed by Caucasian judges and officials and many civil rights activities today that actively fight against racism and discrimination are also Caucasian. You really need to study your own history before coming to the conclusion that all white people deserve to be gaslighted.
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Bit of a tangent. Shrug's signature is ancient at this point and is 0% related to your posts
 
the only part of this ngo is sad abt is that he didn't get hit on camera. if you spend your career advocating for violence against groups and then you decide to show up to support the free speech of a group that goes around pdx looking for transwomen to assault, yeah if you show up in that city without your veil on ur gonna get beat up. for all we know this dude does go around veiled looking for ppl to jump, just not counterprotestors, as we can see they rocked this dumbass. these free speech groups always look for fights before and after their events, where they don't show their face and just pick random vulnerable looking ppl instead of disciplined counterprotestors

the only thing interesting here is these users rushing to defend him with lines like 'reverse racism is still racism', so 2011
 
Myzozoa said:
the only part of this ngo is sad abt is that he didn't get hit on camera. if you spend your career advocating for violence against groups and then you decide to show up to support the free speech of a group that goes around pdx looking for transwomen to assault, yeah if you show up in that city without your veil on ur gonna get beat up. for all we know this dude does go around veiled looking for ppl to jump, just not counterprotestors, as we can see they rocked this dumbass.

the only thing interesting here is these users rushing to defend him with lines like 'reverse racism is still racism', so 2011
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If there is any group advocating for violence that would be Antifa themselves. Look their actions speak louder than any words. Kinda says it all. It's not the first time they caused vandalism and attacked innocent bystanders and civilians. Also just ask yourself why would they need to conceal their faces? To escape prosecution for committing battery ofcourse. You live in a civilized nation and any crimes anyone has committed only a federal law and court can bring him or her to justice. You as an individual have absolutely no right to viciously attack someone else and cause vandalism outside of self defense and defense of others which apparently Andy ngo is SOOOO CLEARLY posing as a violent threat to others.

Also yes reverse racism is still racism. I see nothing wrong with this statement even as of 2019. Even 10 years, 100 years, 1000 years or even until earth perishes racism is still racism and reverse racism is still racism. Don't quite get what your point when you referred this point as 'so 2011' but ya, basic principles like this doesn't magically become invalid after a short while or simply you want it to go lol.
 
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unfortunately, multiculturalism does require us to defend the freedom of speech for hate. it goes both way. even if this journalist is biased towards defending groups that you dislike's freedom of speech, it is still something of note and it definitely does not justify beating andy ngo up.
 
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would you pay to have yourself hit in the face for two hundred thousand dollars and a promotion from posting birdbrained racism for the absolute scum of the earth to mainstream media legitimacy?
 
Ashaebi said:
If there is any group advocating for violence that would be Antifa themselves. Look their actions speak louder than any words. Kinda says it all. It's not the first time they caused vandalism and attacked innocent bystanders and civilians. Also just ask yourself why would they need to conceal their faces? To escape prosecution for committing battery ofcourse. You live in a civilized nation and any crimes anyone has committed only a federal law and court can bring him or her to justice. You as an individual have absolutely no right to viciously attack someone else and cause vandalism outside of self defense and defense of others which apparently Andy ngo is SOOOO CLEARLY posing as a violent threat to others.

Also yes reverse racism is still racism. I see nothing wrong with this statement even as of 2019. Even 10 years, 100 years, 1000 years or even until earth perishes racism is still racism and reverse racism is still racism. Don't quite get what your point when you referred this point as 'so 2011' but ya, basic principles like this doesn't magically become invalid after a short while or simply you want it to go lol.
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for all we know it was self-defense, since fighting off a violent extremist group that organizes 'free speech rallies' to legitimize their violent clandestine activities, such as assaulting random pdx ppl in the days leading up to the events (theyre are really mad at pdx police for pressing charges), it is just defending your community from outside agitators that come in the night to attack vulnerable ppl. journalists that seek to be affinity arms of these organizations are absolutely fair game, and this andy ngo guy is clearly trying to just make his bank off of it, he doesn't really care abt speech or reverse racismor w.e the principle is
 
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would you pay to have yourself hit in the face for two hundred thousand dollars and a promotion from posting birdbrained racism for the absolute scum of the earth to mainstream media legitimacy?
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It's good to know at least 5842 people will disagree with you and consider how much funding he got in just a blink of an eye it kinda tells you more or less the overwhelming majority of Americans aren't WOKE and politically correct enough to see the actions of Antifa are even close to be fair and rational

Unless every single one of them is a 'far right extremist' in your mind
 
Myzozoa said:
for all we know it was self-defense, since fighting off a violent extremist group that organizes 'free speech rallies' to legitimize their violent clandestine activities, such as assaulting random pdx ppl in the days leading up to the events (theyre are really mad at pdx police for pressing charges), it is just defending your community from outside agitators that come in the night to attack vulnerable ppl. journalists that seek to be affinity arms of these organizations are absolutely fair game, and this andy ngo guy is clearly trying to just make his bank off of it, he doesn't really care abt speech or reverse racismor w.e the principle is
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In a federal level and a court of law there are objective standards of what consists of violence and hence the use of returning violence for violence as a mean of self defense or the defense of others is lawfully justified. I can bet an arm and a leg from what you stated here is not even close to what a court of law that would considered an objectable standard.
 
not everyone who donated to that is necessarily a "far right extremist". some might simply be gullible rubes. but it's weird how you dont engage with my point that this attack was 1) the best thing to ever happen to him career-wise and 2) "perpetrated" on a person who eked out a living caterwauling about how easy it is to fool the mainstream media into believing there was an attack on you. doesnt that make you even a little skeptical?
 
Shrug said:
not everyone who donated to that is necessarily a "far right extremist". some might simply be gullible rubes. but it's weird how you dont engage with my point that this attack was 1) the best thing to ever happen to him career-wise and 2) "perpetrated" on a person who eked out a living caterwauling about how easy it is to fool the mainstream media into believing there was an attack on you. doesnt that make you even a little skeptical?
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you're moving the goalposts. you still have not established that the attack was staged. the profit is a consequence of the attack, not the motivator.
 
yes you havent "proved" the attack was real, as in, not done by someone he paid to do it. that is simply your baseline assumption, which would be a reasonable one in most circumstances, but not here, when the weight of the circumstantial evidence would suggest otherwise
 
Ashaebi said:
It's good to know at least 5842 people will disagree with you and consider how much funding he got in just a blink of an eye it kinda tells you more or less the overwhelming majority of Americans aren't WOKE and politically correct enough to see the actions of Antifa are even close to justified.

Unless every single one of them is a 'far right extremist' in your mind
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I would have the international downvoters and comments sections tell me what to think, but as I am not an authoritarian personality I have critical thinking skills to do that for me

Ashaebi said:
In a federal level and a court of law there are objective standards of what consists of violence and hence the use of returning violence for violence as a mean of self defense or the defense of others is lawfully justified. I can bet an arm and a leg from what you stated here is not even close to what a court of law that would considered an objectable standard.
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yeah I made no reference to a court of law in discussing how jumping an affinity journalist for an extremist group on your doorstep is actually self-defense. since I am not an authoritarian personality, I know that there is a difference between legality and morality and that even if under the law this isn't self defense, it was still an act in defense of my community.

if you spend a few days going around at night finding vulnerable citizens to beat up and rob, and then the next day you go as a journalist to your free speech rally to cover your tracks, and still get jumped by counterprotestors, despite the police protecting you, I would say the only victim is the community that was too organized to let you get away with it.
 
Shrug said:
not everyone who donated to that is necessarily a "far right extremist". some might simply be gullible rubes. but it's weird how you dont engage with my point that this attack was 1) the best thing to ever happen to him career-wise and 2) "perpetrated" on a person who eked out a living caterwauling about how easy it is to fool the mainstream media into believing there was an attack on you. doesnt that make you even a little skeptical?
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Innocent until proven guilty and if he indeed was proven to be guilty of any breach of federal law or antidiscrimation law that's up for the court to decide at a federal level and not an antifa mob.

You just don't understand not all actions are reversable right? You unfairly sack a person he can be reinstated, you damage someone else's property it can be repaired or replaced. You cause a massive brain trauma however it will most likely stay that way for life. Imagine if he was falsely accused or what he did wasn't nearly as serious as the media portrayed, how do you expect to reverse his brain damage.

Hint you cant
 
Ashaebi said:
Innocent until proven guilty and if he indeed was proven to be guilty of any breach of federal law or antidiscrimation law that's up for the court to decide at a federal level and not an antifa mob.
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well bro, I guess since there is no video, same should apply to the ppl who supposedly attacked him, innocent until proven guilty, we are not a mob after all, nothing to see here
 
Shrug said:
yes you havent "proved" the attack was real, as in, not done by someone he paid to do it. that is simply your baseline assumption, which would be a reasonable one in most circumstances, but not here, when the weight of the circumstantial evidence would suggest otherwise
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the circumstantial evidence does not suggest that the attack was staged. if anything, it suggests that the attack was authentic since antifa saw andy ngo as an advocator of white supremacy and must be taken down at any costs.
 
an attack that happened when he had his own personal rightwing cameraperson walking among the antifa protestors as well? they decided to hit him at the exact moment when michelle malkin, a verified conspiracy theorist, was filming as backup? damn, bad luck for antifa. sad!
 
Shrug said:
an attack that happened when he had his own personal rightwing cameraperson walking among the antifa protestors as well? they decided to hit him at the exact moment when michelle malkin, a verified conspiracy theorist, was filming as backup? damn, bad luck for antifa. sad!
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you're proposing a conspiracy theory to criticize a conspiracy theorist. hilarious,,,,

it's not unusual to have a camera rolling along with you if you're a journalist.

also, what's the point of unfilmed political assaults? spectacles are good way to get your message out there.
 
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