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Gliscor

Nestle said:
Gliscor makes a pretty good lead, too, even in 5th Gen.

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Gliscor @ Toxic Orb
Nature: Jolly (+Spe, -Sp. Atk)
Ability: Poison Heal
EVs: 252 HP / 80 Def / 172 Spe

~ Earthquake
~ U-Turn
~ Taunt
~ Stealth Rock

Pretty obvious - EQ for STAB, U-Turn against unfavorable lead matchups and to maintain momentum, Taunt to prevent setup and status, Stealth Rock because Stealth Rock.

Poison Heal is a great addition. It means that Gliscor can stay healthy throughout the match as a Taunter even without roost. It may seem like an awkward set, but it's been extremely effective.
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erufuun laughs at you. from what i've seen, it's a pretty common lead and many carry in various combinations, taunt, leech seed, stun spore, substitute, encore, and i saw one with grasswhistle, which will shut it down. max/max erufuun is also a beast, giving shaymin a run for its money.
 
Can't you just U-Turn in Erufuun's face and escape? it loses you your lead, but it dents Erufuun and the only attack that hurts is Stun Spore (maybe Grasswhistle) if your aim is to switch to a destructor of all Erufuun.
 
prom_queen said:
erufuun laughs at you. from what i've seen, it's a pretty common lead and many carry in various combinations, taunt, leech seed, stun spore, substitute, encore, and i saw one with grasswhistle, which will shut it down. max/max erufuun is also a beast, giving shaymin a run for its money.
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Can't have SR with Poison Heal
 
Erufuun isn't common as a lead much anymore. If it tries anything other than Substitute on Gliscor it will fall to U-Turn on that set (Stun Spore has a 25% chance of stopping Gliscor), even if it doesn't work with Poison Heal since, as mentioned, you can't get Stealth Rock with it.

And unless Erufuun has U-Turn, it can't do jack to Espeon.
 
Gliscor also has the super epic Acrobat. I swear I fucking love that set-- it's brilliant. It's so fucking good it should be fattening.
 
Chou Toshio said:
Gliscor also has the super epic Acrobat. I swear I fucking love that set-- it's brilliant. It's so fucking good it should be fattening.
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The best part is that it's even better than EQ, in that it has higher BP and nothing is immune to it.

The only hard part is coming up with a good EV balance. Personally at least. I really enjoy being bulky, but now that I forgo Sword Dance I could really do with some attack investment. Also, anybody know of any important pokemon it should be outspeeding?
 
prom_queen said:
i said nothing about stealth rock.

point is, i think lead gliscor is a waste. it's better suited to soak up hits, stall, and fire it's own moves back.
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Why? It's got a fast SR and a reasonably fast Taunt, ditto for U-turn, and sexy STAB EQ, as well as Roost for (fast) 50% recovery backed by solid bulk, even with little investment. It can come in midgame to soak up hits just as well.
 
I've been trying the Fling Acrobat set recently, and it doesn't seem to be doing enough damage as I expected... what EV spreads is everyone using? I went with 252 HP/96 Atk/168 Def, mainly because I always like Gliscor to have some physical bulk, so it can help out the team more and have opportunities to switch in easily. If it helps, I'm also using Protect over Swords Dance.

I'm by no means saying the set is bad, it's just not quite living up to the amazing standards that everybody is claiming it has.
 
Mine's attack is 250. With such high BP moves it can 2-3HKO most pokemon outside of the sturdiest counters like Skarmory and Zapdos. Zapdos easily wins with HP Ice, otherwise Gliscor has to get lucky and EQ it while it Roosts or Toxic it with it's orb. Skarmory should just Whirlwind you.

If you want to do more damage I say put some HP EV's into At. My Gliscor's HP is in the 360 range. Give it a number divisible by 8 for the most recovery. If you're Impish you theoretically don't need to put very many EVs into Df since Gliscor will have a natural Df stat over 300, which is terrific compounded with its resistances.
 
Jaroda said:
The best part is that it's even better than EQ, in that it has higher BP and nothing is immune to it.

The only hard part is coming up with a good EV balance. Personally at least. I really enjoy being bulky, but now that I forgo Sword Dance I could really do with some attack investment. Also, anybody know of any important pokemon it should be outspeeding?
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Timid Lucario. >_>

Frankly I just go with max speed. And since I'm normally just using Gliscor as a meat shield to stop fighters, fuck the attack EVs, just pump everything into bulk.

I mean if you're looking to sweep with it, that's a different story.
 
lol, I'm kind of the opposite. I sacrifice the speed for mostly bulk and a little attack.Lucario huh? Is he the only one? He's pretty uncommon these days, NP Lucario would be trouble sure, but can a +0 Ice Punch kill a pretty bulky Glsicor from full? You could use Protect to scout the move to find out which kind it is.
 
Ok so I've recently changed my EVs to Impish 180 HP / 196 At / 132 Df. I feel the physical bulk is better than trying to go mixed with speed and special defense. Also, Protect is the superior move as long as you aren't running Jolly with max speed, in which case Sword Dance is entirely viable.

And on a side note, this pokemon is an absolute beast against anything other than a rain team. It counters half of the ten top used pokemon but rain teams are just super bad for it.
 
Timid Luke was more common near the start, but yeah he kinda died off. We'll have to see how things go for Luke in the next round . . . probably with Darkrai gone he could find himself fairing even worse?? >__>
 
Well, I find Gliscor so awesome that I struggle to think of any reason to not include him on ANY team. I went with 244 HP EVs (highest poison heal number) some atk to reach 250 (because I just wanted some power) and rest in Def, and well... If you worry about dory or such then fear no more. I had like 75%, switched into dory's SD, and he hits me for a critflinch +2 LO rockslide and I still manage to beat him with around 25% left.

I go with Fling, protect, acrobat, and EQ and it counters so much physical stuff that it isn't even funny. However, my main issue is that before I fling I kinda struggle to take down roopuushin without losing most of my hp (I can still take him down) and after I fling I have no way to toxic anything. However, he walls and trolls SO MUCH STUFF.

Including but not limited to:
Dory
Breloom (after orb)
Roopuushin (I am bulky enough to fling my toxic orb and still just wall him with protect and acro, even if he has bulk up+guts)
Lucario (Most of them anyways, +0 LO ice punch does around 70-80% IIRC)
Kojondo
And lots more (most physical threats)

Although things that are kinda bulky and sets up bulk ups or curses or haxes me like Randorosu and Garchomp still is hard to deal with though.
 
With the increase in dragons Gliscor wont be as good as he is now in the metagame
but i think he will still be a strong force in the metagame

I run my baton passing gliscor with ice fang
to kill other gliscor
its a lol
 
Jaroda said:
lol, I'm kind of the opposite. I sacrifice the speed for mostly bulk and a little attack.Lucario huh? Is he the only one? He's pretty uncommon these days, NP Lucario would be trouble sure, but can a +0 Ice Punch kill a pretty bulky Glsicor from full? You could use Protect to scout the move to find out which kind it is.
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I'll just say thta if a Adamant Life Orb Gallades Ice Punch can't OHKO a Gliscor who fully invests in bulk, than Lucario defientely has no chance of OHKOing either.

bogsnes, Randorosu doesn't have to hax you, he just needs to fire a HP Ice and kill Gliscor.
 
No, the hax part was directed at garchomps who spam subs till I miss and the like. Randorosu can defeat gliscor with sub+bulk up, HP Ice, and prolly many other ways. I am aware of just that. Although gliscor still handles the CB and scarf sets fairly well, even when boosted by sand power.
 
I've found acrofling gliscor does best when speed is neglected for physical bulk and attack. I'm still fiddling around with the ev's though, trying to find a good balance.
 
Well, personally I dont run any speed EVs.

I am quite happy with my spread (244 HP, 96 Atk, 168 Def), which allows gliscor to reach 352 hp (highest poison heal number), as well as 250 atk and 360 def.
 
I tried Acrofling PH Gliscor, but he just hasn't served me as well as my old dancing tank set. It's still extremely effective.

Gliscor@Lefties
Nature: Impish(+Def/-SpAtk)
EVs: 248 HP/252 Speed/ 8 Atk
Moves:
~Swords Dance
~Roost
~Earthquake
~Rock Slide

Impish nature because you get the most points out of it, and increases his bulk without EVs. Max Speed so you can out run shit, and near max HP to takes hits on both sides. The 8 Atk is for a little extra oomph when Sword Dancing, and keeps my hp at an odd number.

Set is simply. Come in on an easily predicted EQ or Thunderbolt/wave. Sword Dance on the switch, hit like a mofo. I WAS, however, trying to figure out if I could work with Acrobat by holding a Red Card instead of Lefties, but I'm unsure how that would work.
 
I think toxic orb gliscor runs a SD set better. It heals more hp so it turns 2hkos into 3-4hkos and you can either run another attacking move, substitute, or protect to heal 12% hp for free. it works well with toxic spikes support but trace porygon/ditto are kinda tough to deal with in toxic spikes
 
I feel I get more milage out of the instant heal of Roost. It really messes with people using EdgeQuake or Fight/Rock coverage. Gets rid of my Flying type, so I can take resisted Rock attacks, or play mindgames and get them to try and EQ without me Roosting.
 
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