Metagame Godly Gift

K since I want to talk about anything other than suspect, I'll suggest some change on VR.

Groudon A -> S
After play with this for a while, I can say that this is one of the best gods just because it's Pdon. It can perform any role it wants and it has good offensive synergy with some mons like Serperior. Two suspects I got reqs from, both uses Pdon team.

Kyurem-White B -> A
This is ALSO a grossly underrated god. It gives a 125 HP to your bulky pivot to your 170 SpA mon, which is HUGE. It's one of the best balance gods and I can't believe this is only B rank.

Giratina A -> B
I don't see what's good in this other than giving 150 HP. It's passive and besides HP, Arceus gives everything better. Also Ho-oh and Lugia both are better choices for Stall if you don't want to use Arceus.

Pheromosa C -> B
I suggest this probably because Deoxys-A looks like it'll be banned. Anyway, with no Deoxys-A, this is not a bad god. It basically give you 5 mons a decent stats (including HP, because 71 HP isn't that bad), unlike Deo-N, which only gives 4. And it can U-turn, which can be useful for your offensive team.
To follow up on this, I'm not too sure on why P-Don was even lowered to the A rank. It's still really great at compressing roles, pressuring all types of team comps with its great typing and stats and provides desirable stats to nearly any Pokemon. It's a near-perfect balance god in my opinion. I haven't been able to build a team without this monster on it so far. Definitely supporting that S-rank rise. Additionally, I've always argued against Giratina's viability as some of us may know since its role is done better by Mega Sableye IMO, and since Sableye is the perfect HP Stall Pokemon, using Giratina is more than often unnecessary. Though it has a niche as a nice P-Don check if you don't have one. I'm not too sure on what I think on the other two Pokemon for now though, so I'll abstain from commenting on those.
 

Lcass4919

The Xatu Warrior
K since I want to talk about anything other than suspect, I'll suggest some change on VR.

Groudon A -> S
After play with this for a while, I can say that this is one of the best gods just because it's Pdon. It can perform any role it wants and it has good offensive synergy with some mons like Serperior. Two suspects I got reqs from, both uses Pdon team.

Kyurem-White B -> A
This is ALSO a grossly underrated god. It gives a 125 HP to your bulky pivot to your 170 SpA mon, which is HUGE. It's one of the best balance gods and I can't believe this is only B rank.

Giratina A -> B
I don't see what's good in this other than giving 150 HP. It's passive and besides HP, Arceus gives everything better. Also Ho-oh and Lugia both are better choices for Stall if you don't want to use Arceus.

Pheromosa C -> B
I suggest this probably because Deoxys-A looks like it'll be banned. Anyway, with no Deoxys-A, this is not a bad god. It basically give you 5 mons a decent stats (including HP, because 71 HP isn't that bad), unlike Deo-N, which only gives 4. And it can U-turn, which can be useful for your offensive team.
giratina is significantly bulkier then arceus, and its ability and typing helps it pressure stall, while still providing defog support(sure, you need rest for recovery, but i find i dont even use rest often through a stall match, and usually i easily find chances for heal bell). 150 hp is nothing to scoff at, especially when stall doesnt need 120 in the other stats. so its essentially 150/120/120 vs 120/120/120 which speaks for itself. not to mention that 100 still isnt that bad, and most stall teams like to have slow pivots (i usually use tornadus-t with AV on my speed slot, just because it works so much better as a pivot with less speed.). not to mention it can phase out setup sweepers, and provides you with a check to pdon, tapu koko, alongside other offensive threats, AND provides both spinblocking and defog(via pressure) blocking. not to mention tina can also outstall tspikes/stealth rocks with pressurized defog so you can almost guarentee a clear field. these are all REALLY scary stall tactics, and i think pressure as an ability is really what sets giratina apart from other walls with similar roles.

this is why tina/clef/alomo is perhaps my favorite core atm. lmao. its almost unbreakable.
 
and how do you check Tapu Koko, wich is still a top threat, even after the ban of Deo-A, as it can get 170 SpA from Kyurem? It destroys all your pokemon with either terrain boosted thunder(-bolt) or dazzling gleam. That's also one of the reasons why I usually prefer AV Tangroth in the SpDef slot ^^
 

Lcass4919

The Xatu Warrior
and how do you check Tapu Koko, wich is still a top threat, even after the ban of Deo-A, as it can get 170 SpA from Kyurem? It destroys all your pokemon with either terrain boosted thunder(-bolt) or dazzling gleam. That's also one of the reasons why I usually prefer AV Tangroth in the SpDef slot ^^
my main method is either 1) pray to god they dont run it or 2) stall out e-terrain while attempting to poison it (both alo and gira can tank a hit.) its not the most cleanest way to stop it...but it usually wins it out eventually, at the cost of a mon or two. (usually tina) idk what id do if it was specs though, but that hasnt caught on yet.
 
I just wanted to say how much I really have enjoyed this meta! I think especially since the removal of Deoxys-A and Toxapex, there have been so many really interesting and creative teams, but even before that it was a lot of fun :)

I also wanted to share my own personal weapon on my PDon team, Klinklang with Groudon's great 150 attack, which got me to top ten a couple times.

Klinklang @ Air Balloon
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Shift Gear
- Gear Grind
- Wild Charge
- Facade

Gear Grind is a fantastic STAB move for Klinklang, as it breaks sashes (assuming I haven't gotten rocks up) and slays un-sashed Mimikyu. After a Shift Gear boost, it outspeeds pretty much everything, and resists almost all the common priority moves in the meta (I'm lookin' at you Smeargle). It's especially good at setting up against a Toxic + Shell Smash + Contrary Shuckle, and can tear through Alomomola/Skarmory/Celesteela with a boosted Wild Charge, although it does hate recoil. And Facade... I chose Facade over Return because I hate Scald burns and Will-o-Wisp. Plus it's a surprise. The main problem I have with Klinklang outside its dismal movepool is Gear Grind's 85% accuracy, which means it misses 65% of the time ;)

Thank you to the creator(s) of this meta! So fun and so inventive.
 
i would also like to bring out rotom wash
it was a huge mon in ou with 50 base hp
its famous for its bulk and damage/pivot and will o wisp
now it can get a higher base hp
levitate being an awesome ability for it, leaves it with exactly 1 weakness(tho grass is kinda good now with serpirior kartana etc)
ground type being non-existant, volt switch is basically uncounterable(if u are slow and are in an already good matchup)
 
After seeing people talk about how P-Don is really good as a god (no surprise since it is already a great mon as others have already said). I thought I would post my most reliable counter to it (aside from Rayquaza w/ Surf or P-Ogre)

Drampa @ Choice Specs/Choice Scarf/Life Orb
Ability: Cloud Nine
EVs: 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest/Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Surf
- Grass Knot
- Draco Meteor
- Hyper Voice

Surf will always OHKO P-Don and Modest Specs Grass Knot will almost OHKO Groudon with a chance to OHKO after rocks, making it a solid check and with 0 investment on both mons Drampa always lives a Precipice Blades (Calcs below). Drampa is also able to deal huge damage to P-Ogre w/ Grass Knot getting 2HKO on those without any Sp Def invesetment (or without a Calm Mind up). The Specs set also does good damage to a variety of other Special Walls (A Calc against Arceus below shows it can KO Arceus that are around 50% with Draco Meteor and can 3HKO Tangrowth w/ 120 Sp Def and AV). I know Drampa isn't the greatest mon in the world but with 90+ Speed it can do wonders in Godly Gift and is a solid cleaner once a team has been weakened and it is also has versatility since it has a good special movepool allowing you to pick and choose which mons you wish to hit super effectively

Specs Calcs
252+ SpA Choice Specs Drampa Grass Knot (120 BP) vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Groudon: 340-402 (84.3 - 99.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Drampa Grass Knot (120 BP) vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Groudon: 340-402 (84.3 - 99.7%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

252+ SpA Choice Specs Drampa Grass Knot (120 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Kyogre: 330-390 (81.6 - 96.5%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
252+ SpA Choice Specs Drampa Grass Knot (120 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Kyogre-Primal: 294-346 (72.7 - 85.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

252 SpA Choice Specs Drampa Surf vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Groudon-Primal: 468-552 (116.1 - 136.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Choice Specs Drampa Grass Knot (120 BP) vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Groudon: 312-368 (77.4 - 91.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

252+ SpA Choice Specs Drampa Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Giratina: 458-540 (90.8 - 107.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
252+ SpA Choice Specs Drampa Draco Meteor vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Arceus: 229-270 (51.6 - 60.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
252+ SpA Choice Specs Drampa Flamethrower vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Tangrowth: 142-168 (35.1 - 41.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock
252+ SpA Choice Specs Drampa Flamethrower vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Tangrowth: 212-250 (52.4 - 61.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

Scarf Calcs

252 SpA Drampa Surf vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Groudon-Primal: 316-372 (78.4 - 92.3%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
252 SpA Drampa Grass Knot (120 BP) vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Groudon: 208-246 (51.6 - 61%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
252+ SpA Drampa Surf vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Groudon-Primal: 344-408 (85.3 - 101.2%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
252+ SpA Drampa Grass Knot (120 BP) vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Groudon: 228-270 (56.5 - 66.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

252 SpA Drampa Grass Knot (120 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Kyogre-Primal: 180-212 (44.5 - 52.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
252 SpA Drampa Grass Knot (120 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Kyogre: 202-238 (50 - 58.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
252+ SpA Drampa Grass Knot (120 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Kyogre: 222-262 (54.9 - 64.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
252+ SpA Drampa Grass Knot (120 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Kyogre-Primal: 196-232 (48.5 - 57.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

Other Calcs
0 Atk Groudon-Primal Precipice Blades vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Drampa: 247-292 (83.1 - 98.3%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
0 Atk Groudon Precipice Blades vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Drampa: 211-249 (71 - 83.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
4 SpA Kyogre Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Drampa: 200-236 (67.3 - 79.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
4 SpA Kyogre-Primal Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Drampa: 236-278 (79.4 - 93.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
 
Eviolite Munchlax is bulkier than a Mega Slowbro in Defense, Special Defense, in and HP on a Lugia team. For some perspective:

-Mega Slowbro- Max Defense + Nature = 504; Max (Lugia boosted) Special Defense + Nature = 447. You must only max 1 if you want to have max HP.

-Munchlax with Eviolite and just 168 EVs in (Lugia boosted) Defense *no nature* = 507; Max Special Defense + Nature = 442- this leaves 88 EVs for HP which makes it 433 HP.
So, its non-fully invested Defense stat can totally go out-bulk a Rank B Pokemon, while having more HP, since it has a base 135 HP.

*Munchlax means you wont waste your Mega slot, you have only 1 weakness, you can phaze, Thick Fat provides an Ice/Fire resistances. Especially notable for Lugia teams: Munchlax also doesn't stack Ghost/Dark/Electric-type move weaknesses and it can switch into Ghost moves scot-free, as well as use Thick Fat to take Ice moves aimed at Lugia. (This is comparing Defense slot Eviolite Munchlax to Special Defense slot Slowbro-Mega).

Here is a sample set I use for Munchlax on Defense slot teams, to some success:

Munchlax @ Eviolite
Ability: Thick Fat
EVs: 88 HP / 168 Def / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Rest
- Whirlwind
- Toxic / Curse
- Stockpile / Body Slam

Entry hazard support, and start your shuffle. Stockpile handles both Defenses, while Toxic handles non-Steels/Poisons. You can also opt for Curse + Body Slam for damage and status, and to do something against Taunt, but it doesn't hit ghosts like Marowak-Alola and Giratina. If going for Body Slam, Munchlax does have a decent 85 Attack, I usually don't invest attack, and just focus on Cursing up. Whirlwind handles Special Attackers that boost.

Calculations of Eviolite Munchlax in the above set with Lugia Defense, and its regular 85 SpD:
Ignore the random Munchlax EV spread and +2 Def, as I didn't know so I could change the base stats to Lugia's Defense : *Just look at the attacker:
Mega-Mewtwo Y:
+1 252 SpA Mewtwo-Mega-Y Psystrike
vs. +2 88 HP / 212 Def Eviolite Munchlax: 154-183 (35.5 - 42.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252 SpA Mewtwo-Mega-Y Aura Sphere
vs. 88 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Munchlax: 128-152 (29.5 - 35.1%) -- 13.3% chance to 3HKO
252 SpA Mewtwo-Mega-Y Focus Blast
vs. 88 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Munchlax: 192-226 (44.3 - 52.1%) -- 14.1% chance to 2HKO
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Kyogre-Primal:
252 SpA Kyogre-Primal Origin Pulse
vs. 88 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Munchlax in Heavy Rain: 184-217 (42.4 - 50.1%) -- 0.4% chance to 2HKO
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Groudon-Primal
252 Atk Groudon-Primal Precipice Blades
vs. +2 88 HP / 212 Def Eviolite Munchlax: 118-139 (27.2 - 32.1%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
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Pheromosa:
252 Atk Pheromosa High Jump Kick
vs. +2 88 HP / 212 Def Eviolite Munchlax: 206-246 (47.5 - 56.8%) -- 85.5% chance to 2HKO
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Choice Specs Swellow off Kyogre's 399 Special Attack:
252 SpA Choice Specs Swellow Boomburst
vs. 88 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Munchlax: 204-241 (47.1 - 55.6%) -- 77.3% chance to 2HKO
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Tapu Koko is at 399 SpA (from Kyogre) + Electric Terrain + a Life Orb:
+1 164 SpA Life Orb Tapu Koko Thunderbolt
vs. 88 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Munchlax in Electric Terrain: 173-204 (39.9 - 47.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Calculations of Eviolite Munchlax with Lugia Defense and Max HP and Max Def / Max SpD + Nature off of its regular 85 base SpDef:
To give you some perspective: +2 Attack Swords Dance *Adamant* Pheromosa with High-Jump Kick is a guaranteed 2HKO.

Choice Specs Swellow off Kyogre's 399 Special Attack:
252 SpA Choice Specs Swellow Boomburst vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Munchlax: 204-241 (43 - 50.8%) -- 3.1% chance to 2HKO
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Blue Orb Modest Kyogre-Primal:
252+ SpA Kyogre-Primal Origin Pulse vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Munchlax in Heavy Rain: 204-240 (43 - 50.6%) -- 2.3% chance to 2HKO
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Red Orb Adamant Groudon-Primal:
252+ Atk Groudon-Primal Precipice Blades vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Munchlax: 109-130 (22.9 - 27.4%) -- 66.3% chance to 4HKO
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Focus Sash is more common, so no Life Orb on Pheromosa
252 Atk Pheromosa High Jump Kick vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Munchlax: 176-210 (37.1 - 44.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
+2 Attack Swords Dance Focus Sash Pheromosa
+2 252+ Atk Pheromosa High Jump Kick vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Munchlax: 390-458 (82.2 - 96.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
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Life Orb + Electric Terrain Tapu Koko off Kyogre's 399 Special Attack:
252 SpA Life Orb Tapu Koko Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Munchlax in Electric Terrain: 173-204 (36.4 - 43%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
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Mega-Mewtwo-Y Focus Blast holding Mega Stone
252 SpA Mewtwo-Mega-Y Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Munchlax: 192-226 (40.5 - 47.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
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Mega-Rayquaza Adamant Dragon Ascent at +1 Attack
+1 252+ Atk Rayquaza-Mega Dragon Ascent vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Munchlax: 165-195 (34.8 - 41.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Life Orb Adamant Mega-Rayquaza Dragon Ascent
252+ Atk Life Orb Rayquaza-Mega Dragon Ascent vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Munchlax: 142-169 (29.9 - 35.6%) -- 32.6% chance to 3HKO
Life Orb Mega-Rayquaza Draco Meteor
252 SpA Life Orb Rayquaza-Mega Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Munchlax: 188-224 (39.6 - 47.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

I nominate Munchlax for B- rank (strictly Defense stat), it is less vulnerable to weaknesses than Mega-Slowbro, doesn't take up a Mega Slot, can phaze, and has more HP, it lacks non-Rest recovery and has a lower offensive presence than Slowbro (hence B- rather than B), but it definitely offer Lugia some good synergy as Lugia resists Fighting, while Munchlax resists/immune to 2 of Lugia's weaknesses (Ice/Ghost).

It might be the bulkiest Eviolite Pokémon available (take that Rhydon), based on high HP, decent SpDef, and lack of weaknesses.
 
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Lcass4919

The Xatu Warrior
Eviolite Munchlax is bulkier than a Mega Slowbro in Defense, Special Defense, in and HP on a Lugia team. For some perspective:

-Mega Slowbro- Max Defense + Nature = 504; Max (Lugia boosted) Special Defense + Nature = 447. You must only max 1 if you want to have max HP.

-Munchlax with Eviolite and just 168 EVs in (Lugia boosted) Defense *no nature* = 507; Max Special Defense + Nature = 442- this leaves 88 EVs for HP which makes it 433 HP.
So, its non-fully invested Defense stat can totally go out-bulk a Rank B Pokemon, while having more HP, since it has a base 135 HP.

*Munchlax means you wont waste your Mega slot, you have only 1 weakness, you can phaze, Thick Fat provides an Ice/Fire resistances. Especially notable for Lugia teams: Munchlax also doesn't stack Ghost/Dark/Electric-type move weaknesses and it can switch into Ghost moves scot-free, as well as use Thick Fat to take Ice moves aimed at Lugia.

Here is a sample set I use for Munchlax on Defense slot teams, to some success:

Munchlax @ Eviolite
Ability: Thick Fat
EVs: 88 HP / 168 Def / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Rest
- Whirlwind
- Toxic / Curse
- Stockpile / Body Slam

Entry hazard support, and start your shuffle. Stockpile handles both Defenses, while Toxic handles non-Steels/Poisons. You can also opt for Curse + Body Slam for damage and status, and to do something against Taunt, but it doesn't hit ghosts like Marowak-Alola and Giratina. If going for Body Slam, Munchlax does have a decent 85 Attack, I usually don't invest attack, and just focus on Cursing up. Whirlwind handles Special Attackers that boost.

Calculations of Eviolite Munchlax in the above set with Lugia Defense, and its regular 85 SpD:
Ignore the random Munchlax EV spread and +2 Def, as I didn't know so I could change the base stats to Lugia's Defense : *Just look at the attacker:
Mega-Mewtwo Y:
+1 252 SpA Mewtwo-Mega-Y Psystrike
vs. +2 88 HP / 212 Def Eviolite Munchlax: 154-183 (35.5 - 42.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252 SpA Mewtwo-Mega-Y Aura Sphere
vs. 88 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Munchlax: 128-152 (29.5 - 35.1%) -- 13.3% chance to 3HKO
252 SpA Mewtwo-Mega-Y Focus Blast
vs. 88 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Munchlax: 192-226 (44.3 - 52.1%) -- 14.1% chance to 2HKO
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Kyogre-Primal:
252 SpA Kyogre-Primal Origin Pulse
vs. 88 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Munchlax in Heavy Rain: 184-217 (42.4 - 50.1%) -- 0.4% chance to 2HKO
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Groudon-Primal
252 Atk Groudon-Primal Precipice Blades
vs. +2 88 HP / 212 Def Eviolite Munchlax: 118-139 (27.2 - 32.1%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
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Pheromosa:
252 Atk Pheromosa High Jump Kick
vs. +2 88 HP / 212 Def Eviolite Munchlax: 206-246 (47.5 - 56.8%) -- 85.5% chance to 2HKO
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Choice Specs Swellow off Kyogre's 399 Special Attack:
252 SpA Choice Specs Swellow Boomburst
vs. 88 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Munchlax: 204-241 (47.1 - 55.6%) -- 77.3% chance to 2HKO
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Tapu Koko is at 399 SpA (from Kyogre) + Electric Terrain + a Life Orb:
+1 164 SpA Life Orb Tapu Koko Thunderbolt
vs. 88 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Munchlax in Electric Terrain: 173-204 (39.9 - 47.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Calculations of Eviolite Munchlax with Lugia Defense and Max HP and Max Def / Max SpD + Nature off of its regular 85 base SpDef:
To give you some perspective: +2 Attack Swords Dance *Adamant* Pheromosa with High-Jump Kick is a guaranteed 2HKO.

Choice Specs Swellow off Kyogre's 399 Special Attack:
252 SpA Choice Specs Swellow Boomburst vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Munchlax: 204-241 (43 - 50.8%) -- 3.1% chance to 2HKO
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Blue Orb Modest Kyogre-Primal's 438 Special Attack:
252+ SpA Kyogre-Primal Origin Pulse vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Munchlax in Heavy Rain: 204-240 (43 - 50.6%) -- 2.3% chance to 2HKO
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Red Orb Adamant Groudon-Primal's 438 Attack
252+ Atk Groudon-Primal Precipice Blades vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Munchlax: 109-130 (22.9 - 27.4%) -- 66.3% chance to 4HKO
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Focus Sash is more common, so no Life Orb on Pheromosa
252 Atk Pheromosa High Jump Kick vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Munchlax: 176-210 (37.1 - 44.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
+2 Attack Swords Dance Focus Sash Pheromosa
+2 252+ Atk Pheromosa High Jump Kick vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Munchlax: 390-458 (82.2 - 96.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
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Life Orb + Electric Terrain Tapu Koko off Kyogre's 399 Special Attack:
252 SpA Life Orb Tapu Koko Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Munchlax in Electric Terrain: 173-204 (36.4 - 43%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
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Mega-Mewtwo-Y Focus Blast holding Mega Stone
252 SpA Mewtwo-Mega-Y Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Munchlax: 192-226 (40.5 - 47.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
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Mega-Rayquaza Adamant Dragon Ascent at +1 Attack
+1 252+ Atk Rayquaza-Mega Dragon Ascent vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Munchlax: 165-195 (34.8 - 41.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Life Orb Adamant Mega-Rayquaza Dragon Ascent
252+ Atk Life Orb Rayquaza-Mega Dragon Ascent vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Munchlax: 142-169 (29.9 - 35.6%) -- 32.6% chance to 3HKO
Life Orb Mega-Rayquaza Draco Meteor
252 SpA Life Orb Rayquaza-Mega Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Munchlax: 188-224 (39.6 - 47.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

I nominate Munchlax for B- rank (strictly Defense stat), it is less vulnerable to weaknesses than Mega-Slowbro, doesn't take up a Mega Slot, can phaze, and has more HP, it lacks non-Rest recovery and has a lower offensive presence than Slowbro (hence B- rather than B), but it definitely offer Lugia some good synergy as Lugia resists Fighting, while Munchlax resists/immune to 2 of Lugia's weaknesses (Ice/Ghost).
eeeh...theres a few things that are problematic for munchlax...

1) its a normal type. normal type isnt the worst type, but its very...plain. it forces much to run return to hope to hurt something, and mono normal coverage isnt that great. chansey(and blissey) has been, and will be the only viable mono normal type wall, and thats because its special defense is just THAT good.

2) bad recovery. fun fact: every calc you posted but pdon is almost irrelevant because munch needs to tank 4 hits to successfully rest stall its opponent. of course stockpile could be used...but 4 support moves is pretty bad, and id consider using earthquake before giving stockpile a try. not to mention rest gives your opponent free setup turns. never a fun thing.

3) knock off weak. this is huge considering you already have a mon that fears dark types...now you have another, one that SHOULDN'T have it to begin with.

4) no real pressure. i mean, sure you can toss around poison, and tank a few hits...but pointing at your example-slowbro, it can threaten with burns, set up and sweep, and can tank and throw toxics out too. ferrothorn can set up rocks, leech seed, and attempt to gyro ball and power whip to nab some damage, giratina defogs, pressure stalls, and spreads burns...but munchlax JUST poisons things. but also cannot stop the mons who block toxic. its good to be tanky...but as shuckle, dusclops, mega audino, and cresselia have shown us, is that "bulk doesnt make the wall, utility does" for example, regular sableye dispite being SUPER frail, is a better "wall" then cresselia, which has over quadruple bulk, just because its utility is SIGNIFICANTLY better.

5) sitting duck to steel types.

id say B- is a bit hefty for it, not saying its bad, i mean that IS stupid high bulk, (not clops' 120/130/130 bulk, but yknow, we cant all be dusclops the god) but i think anything beyond a C is a bit overboard.
 
Groudon-Primal @ Red Orb
Ability: Desolate Land
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Precipice Blades
- Swords Dance
- Thunder Punch
- Fire Punch
Groudon is pure cancer in this meta, and the worst part is even on it's on the thing is very menacing. This is a nice little set that I tried out with a pretty subpar team (meant to be bad on purpose) and three quarters of the time it just sweeped through them. TPunch + Precipice Blades is a menace, securing many a surprise KO. After one Swords Dance Groudon does so much damage that it's nearly unstoppable and fire punch is there purely for STAB.

For some damage calculations:
+2 252+ Atk Groudon-Primal Precipice Blades vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Ferrothorn: 327-385 (64.8 - 76.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO [This was calculated with Ferrothorn's base health being 150, by the way.)

+2 252+ Atk Groudon-Primal Precipice Blades vs. 252 HP / 184 Def Clefable: 339-400 (86 - 101.5%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO [Once again, Clefable defense stat was used as a base 150.]

+2 252+ Atk Groudon-Primal Precipice Blades vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Shuckle: 211-250 (41.8 - 49.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO [Again, Shuckle's base health is used as 150 HP. To clarify, that's a creature with 504/614 bulk and an Impish nature taking a 3HKO from Groudon.]

+2 252+ Atk Groudon-Primal Fire Punch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Tangrowth in Harsh Sunshine: 636-750 (126.1 - 148.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO [I used Fire Punch for this one because you most likely won't be using PBlades against it. And yes, if you're wondering, it's HP here was base stat 150.]

And if you want to complain about speed, there's always Shuckle or Galvantula to slap into the first slot and then sticky web.
 
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Groudon-Primal @ Red Orb
Ability: Desolate Land
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Precipice Blades
- Swords Dance
- Thunder Punch
- Fire Punch
Groudon is pure cancer in this meta, and the worst part is even on it's on the thing is very menacing. This is a nice little set that I tried out with a pretty subpar team (meant to be bad on purpose) and three quarters of the time it just sweeped through them. TPunch + Precipice Blades is a menace, securing many a surprise KO. After one Swords Dance Groudon does so much damage that it's nearly unstoppable and fire punch is there purely for STAB.

For some damage calculations:
+2 252+ Atk Groudon-Primal Precipice Blades vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Ferrothorn: 327-385 (64.8 - 76.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO [This was calculated with Ferrothorn's base health being 150, by the way.)

+2 252+ Atk Groudon-Primal Precipice Blades vs. 252 HP / 184 Def Clefable: 339-400 (86 - 101.5%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO [Once again, Clefable defense stat was used as a base 150.]

+2 252+ Atk Groudon-Primal Precipice Blades vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Shuckle: 211-250 (41.8 - 49.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO [Again, Shuckle's base health is used as 150 HP. To clarify, that's a creature with 504/614 bulk and an Impish nature taking a 3HKO from Groudon.]

+2 252+ Atk Groudon-Primal Fire Punch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Tangrowth in Harsh Sunshine: 636-750 (126.1 - 148.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO [I used Fire Punch for this one because you most likely won't be using PBlades against it. And yes, if you're wondering, it's HP here was base stat 150.]
Clefable runs Unaware so it can't be 2HKOed based off of your calc.
 
No one to say : "I'm sorry but this was a complete joke of a suspect test. 9 voters is not an accurate sample size by any means.", "because 9 voters is not enough to decide if a pokemon is broken or not" or "A suspect test w/ only 9 votes is pathetic" ?

I asked this question before: " If the suspect test had only 5 voters. 1 against ban and 4 for ban of M-Sableye. So M-Sableye is ban. Now, you're going to do the opposite of your comment and you'll say that M-Sableye doesn't deserve to be banned ? ". I know the answer now, thanks you iLlama.

Now three pokemon who annoying offense team are ban . :)
When is the next suspect ? For Shuckle or Clefable perhaps ?

What a shame .
 
No one to say : "I'm sorry but this was a complete joke of a suspect test. 9 voters is not an accurate sample size by any means.", "because 9 voters is not enough to decide if a pokemon is broken or not" or "A suspect test w/ only 9 votes is pathetic" ?

I asked this question before: " If the suspect test had only 5 voters. 1 against ban and 4 for ban of M-Sableye. So M-Sableye is ban. Now, you're going to do the opposite of your comment and you'll say that M-Sableye doesn't deserve to be banned ? ". I know the answer now, thanks you iLlama.

Now three pokemon who annoying offense team are ban . :)
When is the next suspect ? For Shuckle or Clefable perhaps ?

What a shame .
I'm fine with 9 voters, because this is a monthly meta, in this case is very diffcult to find people that wants to vote.
For example: the shaymin-sky suspect had only 28 voters. AND IT'S A SEMI-OFFICIAL METAGAME.
 
I'm fine with 9 voters, because this is a monthly meta, in this case is very diffcult to find people that wants to vote.
For example: the shaymin-sky suspect had only 28 voters. AND IT'S A SEMI-OFFICIAL METAGAME.
5 and 9 are of the same order of magnitude. You can't refuse the suspect with 5 voters but accept the suspect with 9 voters. This is scandalous.
 
Dusclops isn't that bad in GG in the HP slot. It spredas burns, pressure stalls, stops setup and does constant damage with Night Shade - while being almost as bulky as shuckle.
 
You can't have more voters, everyone can get 72% in GXE, so only 9 people want to vote for this suspect. It's few people, I agree. I look for example Stabmons metagame, and THREE people decided to ban Belly Drum. It's crazy.

This page (http://www.smogon.com/forums/thread...-month-deoxys-a-and-sablenite-banned.3597618/) isn't easy to see. For example, I have 1359 in Last Will but I didn't know the page :http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/last-will.3601362/ . Once, i made a battle with an other good player, I win thanks to a change of the mechanic decide in this previous page ( My opponent use a CB and his last attack failed). We both didn't know that and I win thanks to a bug. ( I prefer lose with honor than win with disgrace ).
I know this page only because a player ( it's FIREEEE if my memories are good) share to me. I think, it's just my opinion, that less that 20% of the player of GG know this page. This page lacks visibility.

My problem isn't the ban with 9 voters. My problem is the DOUBLE suspect of M-Sab and the lack of coherence between the two votes.

Err0r Mobutt, we have only one month with this metagame....
 
No one to say : "I'm sorry but this was a complete joke of a suspect test. 9 voters is not an accurate sample size by any means.", "because 9 voters is not enough to decide if a pokemon is broken or not" or "A suspect test w/ only 9 votes is pathetic" ?

I asked this question before: " If the suspect test had only 5 voters. 1 against ban and 4 for ban of M-Sableye. So M-Sableye is ban. Now, you're going to do the opposite of your comment and you'll say that M-Sableye doesn't deserve to be banned ? ". I know the answer now, thanks you iLlama.

Now three pokemon who annoying offense team are ban . :)
When is the next suspect ? For Shuckle or Clefable perhaps ?

What a shame .
Having almost double the votes of the first suspect, with much more input and discussion, makes a huge difference. 9 votes isn't a lot of votes, I give you that, however I don't see the point of having more people, such as myself, post their requirements if we agree with the outcome of the votes, such as in the case of Sablenite, or simply can't make a difference in the overall outcome, such as with Deoxys-A. Plus, the requirements were incredibly easy to acquire for this suspect test compared to the last one, especially if you have an understanding of the Godly Gift meta and are above average at playing the ladder. Obviously they are still a challenge to a lesser extent which is good for making sure people who put time and effort into playing the metagame really have a say as to what happens in it. More specifically, regarding Deoxys-A, the suspect vote and reasoning from voters and other users for or against banning Deoxys-A paints a pretty clear picture depicting the test's outcome. The suspect test was a full week in length, had fairly simple requirements, and was advertised quite heavily and readily accessible to anyone to anyone who accesses the Other Metas room on PS! or the Other Metagames forum on Smogon.

Regarding Shuckle and Clefable, as well as other Pokémon or signature items, unless there is a general consensus or a pressing need to address something specifically, there hopefully won't need to be further suspects (would mean the meta is balanced, but that can change).
You can't have more voters, everyone can get 72% in GXE, so only 9 people want to vote for this suspect. It's few people, I agree. I look for example Stabmons metagame, and THREE people decided to ban Belly Drum. It's crazy.

This page (http://www.smogon.com/forums/thread...-month-deoxys-a-and-sablenite-banned.3597618/) isn't easy to see. For example, I have 1359 in Last Will but I didn't know the page :http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/last-will.3601362/ . Once, i made a battle with an other good player, I win thanks to a change of the mechanic decide in this previous page ( My opponent use a CB and his last attack failed). We both didn't know that and I win thanks to a bug. ( I prefer lose with honor than win with disgrace ).
I know this page only because a player ( it's FIREEEE if my memories are good) share to me. I think, it's just my opinion, that less that 20% of the player of GG know this page. This page lacks visibility.

My problem isn't the ban with 9 voters. My problem is the DOUBLE suspect of M-Sab and the lack of coherence between the two votes.

Err0r Mobutt, we have only one month with this metagame....
Not sure why you're bringing up STABmons, as this is a completely different metagame run by a different group of individuals and playable at a different period of time. How they handle(d) anything does not correlate to anything that occurs in Godly Gift. I said this already, but the Godly Gift thread has extremely easy access as it's available in the Other Metas room on PS! and appears in the Other Metagames forum, let alone how we have gotten multiple mentions on Smogon Social Media as being the Other Metagame of the Month and receiving about 6,000+ collective page views during the suspect test alone. Our threads existence and the suspect test occurring this previous week is not hard to find by any means. Stating that this page lacks visibility is simply false. Your guess with regards to only 20% of Godly Gift users knowing about this page can't be proven or disproven so it's a pretty pointless statement, though considering the page traffic being 43,000+ page views, this is probably incorrect.

I'm not sure as to why you think that a double suspect is a problem. Multiple aspects of a metagame being suspected, especially for an OMotM, is not uncommon by any means. The fact that the votes of one suspect item to another suspect item not correlating with one another has close to zero relevance. The topics of suspect were two separate things, Deoxys-A and Sablenite, and they were argued upon and voted for with different reasoning behind both, i.e. why people may have voted ban for one and no ban for the other. This is perfectly acceptable and doesn't change the validity of a suspect test in any way.

If you have a problem with the voter turnout, take it upon yourself to send a private message to people that discuss Godly Gift either in this thread or in the Other Metas chat on PS! and ask them why they didn't acquire the reqs and vote on the suspect test. It's not as though anybody was being forced to take part in the suspect test or to not vote on the issue.
 
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You can't have more voters, everyone can get 72% in GXE, so only 9 people want to vote for this suspect. It's few people, I agree. I look for example Stabmons metagame, and THREE people decided to ban Belly Drum. It's crazy.
As someone who actually ladders with different teams, this is clearly NOT true. This is one of the very few metagame where getting reqs is not easy. Yeah, sure, not everyone is as good as a teambuilder as you, but thing is, this meta is one of the metas where you have to take time to experiment your team, not just slapping brokenmons and win games (like many of the metas in the past). Actually that is one of the reasons why this meta is fun.
 
Having almost double the votes of the first suspect, with much more input and discussion, makes a huge difference. 9 votes isn't a lot of votes, I give you that, however I don't see the point of having more people, such as myself, post their requirements if we agree with the outcome of the votes, such as in the case of Sablenite, or simply can't make a difference in the overall outcome, such as with Deoxys-A. Plus, the requirements were incredibly easy to acquire for this suspect test compared to the last one, especially if you have an understanding of the Godly Gift meta and are above average at playing the ladder. Obviously they are still a challenge to a lesser extent which is good for making sure people who put time and effort into playing the metagame really have a say as to what happens in it. More specifically, regarding Deoxys-A, the suspect vote and reasoning from voters and other users for or against banning Deoxys-A paints a pretty clear picture depicting the test's outcome. The suspect test was a full week in length, had fairly simple requirements, and was advertised quite heavily and readily accessible to anyone to anyone who accesses the Other Metas room on PS! or the Other Metagames forum on Smogon.

Regarding Shuckle and Clefable, as well as other Pokémon or signature items, unless there is a general consensus or a pressing need to address something specifically, there hopefully won't need to be further suspects (would mean the meta is balanced, but that can change).

Not sure why you're bringing up STABmons, as this is a completely different metagame run by a different group of individuals and playable at a different period of time. How they handle(d) anything does not correlate to anything that occurs in Godly Gift. I said this already, but the Godly Gift thread has extremely easy access as it's available in the Other Metas room on PS! and appears in the Other Metagames forum, let alone how we have gotten multiple mentions on Smogon Social Media as being the Other Metagame of the Month and receiving about 6,000+ collective page views during the suspect test alone. Our threads existence and the suspect test occurring this previous week is not hard to find by any means. Stating that this page lacks visibility is simply false. Your guess with regards to only 20% of Godly Gift users knowing about this page can't be proven or disproven so it's a pretty pointless statement, though considering the page traffic being 43,000+ page views, this is probably incorrect.

I'm not sure as to why you think that a double suspect is a problem. Multiple aspects of a metagame being suspected, especially for an OMotM, is not uncommon by any means. The fact that the votes of one suspect item to another suspect item not correlating with one another has close to zero relevance. The topics of suspect were two separate things, Deoxys-A and Sablenite, and they were argued upon and voted for with different reasoning behind both, i.e. why people may have voted ban for one and no ban for the other. This is perfectly acceptable and doesn't change the validity of a suspect test in any way.

If you have a problem with the voter turnout, take it upon yourself to send a private message to people that discuss Godly Gift either in this thread or in the Other Metas chat on PS! and ask them why they didn't acquire the reqs and vote on the suspect test. It's not as though anybody was being forced to take part in the suspect test or to not vote on the issue.
iLlama,
Little Quiproquo, When I speak about double suspect, I'm talk about double suspect, I'm speak of the suspect n°1 of M-Sab and the suspect n°2 of M-Sab. It's completely normal to make a suspect with 2 pokemons.

I completely agree and respectful with this suspect. Everyone except one people who decide to ban Deoxys-A with excellent reasons. And 66 % ( and 66%>60% ) decide to ban M-Sableye. I has problem with this politic of double suspect ( I agree, that's exceptional, but I find that unfair). BUT in hindsight, if you decide to not suspect M-Sab the last week, there would have been a suspect for M-Sab this week. Even i think that your decision were unfair, it's was the BEST decision to make.

The argument of Clefable and Shuckle is sarcastic.

"Men lie, women lie, numbers don't."
My personal impression was wrong. You have the statistics so you have right. So my argumentation is incorrect. I only search to find a explanation of the little number of voters.

Why Nerdy, I'm not so good in teambuilding or the best staller in this generation. It's completely wrong.
77% in GXE is hard to get, but 72% is easy, don't see any proud in this sentence. For everyone, and not just for me. I'm just a good player, that's it, not the best and not the worst.
Little Quiproquo. When I speak about double suspect, I'm speak of the suspect n°1 of M-Sab and the suspect n°2 of M-Sab. It's completely normal to make a suspect with 2 pokemons.
 

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