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The speedtiers have been redone! Thank you all to SammyCe123 who gave his all to this project (GOAT)!
I can't lie, despite GG being my favorite of the permaladders, this metagame is incredibly stale and its' really hard to ban any of the threats.
I really blame Alolamola for most of the problems. With any Special Defense invest Alola becomes incredibly tanky while passing almost full HP wishes to any allies with a remarkably low speed tier. While things like Waterpon (already problematic on its' own) do work well, if you combine it with say, HP Skarm, the core is nigh unbreakable for any non-electric attacks (and weaker electric hits like uninvested Zapdos do basically nothing to the core mind. I think the worst sight I saw was Caly-I Pikachu dealing 90% to 140 HP Skarm and dying to its' own recoil)
The core of
+ 
+ 
, with at least one ground, is probably this OMs most toxic core and it needs to be at least in part dismantled. And I'm leaning towards it being Alolamola that's broken, not either of the other two options.
edit: not claming stall is broken, quite the opposite really, the sheer power of the alola + skarm core means people are required to use the strongest breakers possible, preventing anything not HO from taking hold of the meta
I really blame Alolamola for most of the problems. With any Special Defense invest Alola becomes incredibly tanky while passing almost full HP wishes to any allies with a remarkably low speed tier. While things like Waterpon (already problematic on its' own) do work well, if you combine it with say, HP Skarm, the core is nigh unbreakable for any non-electric attacks (and weaker electric hits like uninvested Zapdos do basically nothing to the core mind. I think the worst sight I saw was Caly-I Pikachu dealing 90% to 140 HP Skarm and dying to its' own recoil)
The core of
+ + , with at least one ground, is probably this OMs most toxic core and it needs to be at least in part dismantled. And I'm leaning towards it being Alolamola that's broken, not either of the other two options.edit: not claming stall is broken, quite the opposite really, the sheer power of the alola + skarm core means people are required to use the strongest breakers possible, preventing anything not HO from taking hold of the meta
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I agree with every post asking for mola to be gone. I started playing this tier for OMPL and the entire time I played it I really wondered why Alomomola wasn't banned while Toxapex is when they're so so similar. Mola has counterplay but it's usually just cheesing with some PsyNoise mon in the speed slot like Hatt or Reuni or Waterpon who is hazard weak and has plenty of sufficient counterplay.
Raging Bolt also needs to go like that Pokemon is already hardly balanced as a vanilla mon and with whatever boosted speed stat it just has no real counterplay besides the mandatory SDef ground slot which is already so overwhelmed checking literally every other mon in the tier
Raging Bolt also needs to go like that Pokemon is already hardly balanced as a vanilla mon and with whatever boosted speed stat it just has no real counterplay besides the mandatory SDef ground slot which is already so overwhelmed checking literally every other mon in the tier
This is probably controversial but I think we need to free more breakers to leverage up the power level back in this tier. Alomo becomes a problem because the tier is mainly now in just stall/HO/fat killer fishing each other like food chain. Simply nuking alomo removes a blanket check to many offensive threats so we will end up banning other breakers afterwards, and then banning more walls in a forever loop.
Survey results :
Due to the fact that we received some answers that didn't conform to what we expected from the survey (well done to you ngl lmao) I'm going to give you the percentages directly without the graphics as they're not correct sorry :/.On a scale of 1 to 10, do you think the current meta is fun?
6,789473684/10
That's pretty good and we hope it will continue to increase
On a scale of 1 to 10, do you think the current meta is competitive?
6,789473684/10
exactly the same number which is quite funny given the look of this one i have nothing else to say but it's funny
On a scale from 1-5, what is your opinion on Raging Bolt
?3,894736842/5
Who wouldn't have guessed? Raging Bolt has become very problematic the more time has passed and is far too constraining to the building and in game the council will therefore vote on it!
On a scale from 1-5, what is your opinion on Gouging Fire
?3,578947368/5
A very high score too which shows that Gouging-Fire is considered to be problematic. This can be associated with all its sets, each of which can be very problematic in their own field - there are many of them but the Choice Band and bulky DD sets are the most popular and very difficult to handle council vote on this too !
On a scale from 1-5, what is your opinion on Ogerpon-Wellspring
? 2,315789474/5
A rather low score notably due in part to the omnipresence of Raging-Bolt but which shows that Ogerpon-Wellspring is not yet considered to be very problematic.
On a scale from 1-5, what is your opinion on Alomomola
? 3,368421053/5
A big score thanks to Alomomola's excellent defensive profile without being too much of a burden on the team. We've had a lot of complaints about this pokemon, so it will come as no surprise in our vote.
On a scale from 1-5, what is your opinion on Talonflame
?3/5
A score not to be overlooked Talonflame rain was one of the new archetypes to be discovered and is already starting to meet with complaints from the playerbase, notably due to its priority Hurricane, which under rain is very difficult to counter. The council will therefore also vote on this pokemon.
On a scale from 1-5, what is your opinion on Landorus-Incarnate
? 2,421052632/5
A rather low score so it will not be included in the council's vote.
Suggestions :
- Unrestrict Serperior
1x- Unrestrict Gholdengo
2x- Unrestrict Chien-Pao
2x- Zacian-C
1- Tera x1
- Unrestrict Toxapex
1x- Alomomola restrict
1xWe've taken note of your recommendations but we're not going to be taking any action on most of them just yet as some big changes are about to take place and here they are! -->
Gouging-Fire, Raging-Bolt and Alomomola have been restricted !
| Pokemons : | dhelmise | Fraise | Les2BG | TTTech | SammyCe123 | Results : |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Gouging-Fire | Restrict | Do Not Restrict | Restrict | Restrict | Do Not Restrict | 3-2-0 Restrict |
| Raging-Bolt | Restrict | Restrict | Restrict | Restrict | Restrict | 5-0-0 Restrict |
| Alomomola | Restrict | Do Not Restrict | Restrict | Restrict | Restrict | 4-1-0 Restrict |
| Talonflame | Do Not Restrict | Do Not Restrict | Restrict | Do Not Restrict | Do Not Restrict | 1-4-0 Do Not Restrict |
Raging-Bolt restricts the building too much forcing almost every team to use a ground spdef or a 
clodsire and is extremely dangerous for any type of team with its set choice specs or CM, especially as it can also be used as a defensive check for pokemons such as Ogerpon-Wellspring. Gouging-Fire is also very dangerous in its own way. It is naturally very bulky and can be set up very easily, notably with a Breaking Swipe set which makes it difficult to kill, especially as it can be invested reasonably in bulk but we can also mention the Choice Band set, which under the sun is extremely difficult to check and even resistances can have a hard time against it such as Primarina 
and Rotom-Wash 
Alomomola is just extremely bulky and can wishpass with very few problems and a risk/reward very much in its favour which forced a lot of teambuilding with options such as Ogerpon Wellspring , Volcanion 
or Electrode-hisui 
for example.These are huge changes so the meta is bound to change a lot. We hope you enjoy the new meta !
Imo this is a good thing--if the only thing preventing banworthy breakers from being banned is that they check/counter Mola, Mola needs to go so we can more properly take a look at those breakers without the warping presence of Mola.
Huzzah!
https://pokepast.es/bd6476d2d512b207
I am really loving lokix works great against ho with first impression and sucker and great against balance with its powerful u turns and knocking against stall is also nice, but this team really struggles with defense boosting mons
I am really loving lokix works great against ho with first impression and sucker and great against balance with its powerful u turns and knocking against stall is also nice, but this team really struggles with defense boosting mons