Gyarados is a Douche [[Porygon 2 Discussion]] P-Z sucks

Saturn said:
Porugon2 is an OK pokemon, but I just feel it's hyped too much. As said before, it's not too special, and the only things it does is kill Gyarados, and kill Dragons on the switch or something, which is what most bolt-beamers can do anyway. It's meh.
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Hyped too much? Its BL, it isn't hyped at all.

Starmie has rapid spin and speed over P2 along with boltbeam and recover, but pursuit weak which doesn't help. P2 can fit in the right team, but there is a reason P2 is BL, not used enough because something can do similar things than it but better for the most part(like starmie).

Anyway, good post and good points brought up. P2 has its uses for sure and can find a niche in the right team. Hopefully people asking "whats the best starter???" can shut up and try P2 if they want something.
 
I'm currently running Gardevoir, Porygon2's Tracing Cousin. It's amazing how many times per game you get to use the ability, coming in on any Gyarados, Salamence, and getting some cool speed boosts from some Pokes. I've trapped and killed Dugtrio before (I run a Bold variant with Wow), and I'd bet that P2 would do that even better. As a lead, Lum might be nice, but I think it'd benefit from Leftovers a bit more...

Early on, I dismissed P2 not as inferior to PZ, but inferior to Cresselia. But now that I've tried Gardevoir, trying P2 seems like the next logical step, and Trace is a top 5 ability. P2 also has a nice offensive stat. It doesn't get Gardevoir's Wow, howver...
 
Wow, I didn't think P2 could potentially be that good. I may be considering evolving my Porygon to a 2 rather than a Z now, hahah. xD

Gyarados leads have been troubling/irritating to me, but with P2, I didn't realize he could cripple him. Smart post.
 
Wow I am very impressed and now you made me realize one thing. Don't laugh and use dragon dance when you see a porygon2. Well after this pokemon an old friend of us can return to competetive play. Seems like electivire can take this guy down. Since it is late night I won't do calcualtions of electivire but I really love the idea of using p2.
 
daksunt said:
Wow I am very impressed and now you made me realize one thing. Don't laugh and use dragon dance when you see a porygon2. Well after this pokemon an old friend of us can return to competetive play. Seems like electivire can take this guy down. Since it is late night I won't do calcualtions of electivire but I really love the idea of using p2.
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Yes, P-2 does have trouble with Electrivire, especially Cross Chop variants. As I said, it has trouble taking down other bulky Pokemon...but I think the popularity of Gyarados, Hippo, Dugtrio (not always a lead) and other things justify its use.

By the way, people, the purpose of this thread is to demonstrate how easily Gyarados can be taken down, and help those who have been complaining about it. The other Pokemon and calcs are there to demonstrate its semi-versatility and that it's not just one-sided. Also, my thoughts on Gardevoir has already been mentioned, if you read closely. =)

EDIT: In response to Starmie, I have one word to say to that when you're walled and you have nowhere else to go: PURSUIT. That's why I use it as my TR lead.
And good luck trying to put bulk on Starmie with base 60 HP and 5 less SA points. It only has Surf, Rapid Spin, and speed on its side. Oh, and what's hilarious is that Dugtrio can switch out of it.
 
This is a pretty solid lead, taking on most common threats, except for SpecsMence and Infernape. There are reasons to use it over Starmie (it's most common OU replacement), but most players prefer Starmie's +'s over P2's. The biggest bonus would prbably be Starmie's spinning abiltiies.
 
I run a phione with 31/29/31(ivs) hp/df/sp.df
and 252 Hp 128 df/sp.df. And its base stats are obviously 80/80/80. And it walls just about everything that comes at it that isn't supereffective or choiced ot critHaxed.

Seeing that P-2 has 85/95/90 (or what ever). Now not only are his stats higher he doesn't have weaknesses to the common t-bolt/energyball. But he does have a weakness to common aurasphere,brickbrea,CC,etc. But other than fighting type attacks it can wall just about anything not choiced/CritHaxed.
 
I'm not sure how Porygon2 handles itself in the current D/P environment since I haven't really had a chance with it yet, granted theres alot more Fighting moves around the place too.

I used it for a short while as a defensive starter in Advance with @Chesto Berry, Recycle/Rest/Return/ThunderWave since it seemed to annoy the hell out of anyone not immune to either of its attacks. It also nicely sponged any opening attacks/status so long it wasn't met by a nasty <insert random fighting move>.

Although I have to say the opening post didn't really convey much to me of anything, I always saw Boltbeam as one of P2's meh movesets. It has a multitude of tricks under its belt and all people promote is Boltbeam. It Trick Rooms, it can Agility it even Magnet Rises.

Trace is great and all but what about its other ability Download? P2 certainly has the move, stats and even trait in order to become quite an effective mixed attacker.
 
Saturn said:
[extremely long, rather pointless post]I like to cause arugments lol.[/extremely long, rather pointless post]
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True, Pokemon can BoltBeam, but do they get Trace, [and here's the key]..safely switch into attacks? Most of your arugment is being fast and revenge killing with BoltBeam.

And may I ask you who leaves Pory2 in on Ape?
 
Twilight :) said:
True, Pokemon can BoltBeam, but do they get Trace, [and here's the key]..safely switch into attacks? Most of your arugment is being fast and revenge killing with BoltBeam.

And may I ask you who leaves Pory2 in on Ape?
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May I ask who keeps Gyara in on Porygon2? I'd switch to Electivire right away if you ask me, as I lol at T-Wave, Ice Beam, TBolt, and even Toxic.
Starmie can switch in. Lots of stuff can switch in and Boltbeam. Blissey, Lanturn (lol), etc. anyone?
Trace isn't as useful as you hype it: Tracing T-Tar SS, Heracross's Guts, and many others isn't really useful. Specsmence coughs at Pseudo-Intimidate. Tracing Forry's Sturdy is not really helping, nor Garchomp's Sand Veil (sure the miss may help on occasion..., but I don't see you using it). Breloom's Poison Heal? Only if Toxic Spikes are up. Blaze? No. Trace here is just another buffer against Gyara's attacks. It's a nice bonus, but it's not really that important, except for Gyara, and Staraptor (BL), Arcanine (BL), and levitators who use EQ (Claydol and Flygon, both BL).
EDIT: Heh, that's nice... Did the Togekiss NP?
EDIT 2: Also, I've used Porygon2 as a lead lots. I'm saying that this topic overhypes it. In case you don't understand.
 
jujuomi said:
Seeing that P-2 has 85/95/90 (or what ever). Now not only are his stats higher he doesn't have weaknesses to the common t-bolt/energyball. But he does have a weakness to common aurasphere,brickbrea,CC,etc. But other than fighting type attacks it can wall just about anything not choiced/CritHaxed.
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Actually, my P2 fared quite well against an Aura Sphere from a Modest Togekiss, and it's got a +Def nature too. Pleasantly surprising, yes?
 
Saturn said:
May I ask who keeps Gyara in on Porygon2? I'd switch to Electivire right away if you ask me, as I lol at T-Wave, Ice Beam, TBolt, and even Toxic.
Starmie can switch in. Lots of stuff can switch in and Boltbeam. Blissey, Lanturn (lol), etc. anyone?
Trace isn't as useful as you hype it: Tracing T-Tar SS, Heracross's Guts, and many others isn't really useful. Specsmence coughs at Pseudo-Intimidate. Tracing Forry's Sturdy is not really helping, nor Garchomp's Sand Veil (sure the miss may help on occasion..., but I don't see you using it). Breloom's Poison Heal? Only if Toxic Spikes are up. Blaze? No. Trace here is just another buffer against Gyara's attacks. It's a nice bonus, but it's not really that important, except for Gyara, and Staraptor (BL), Arcanine (BL), and levitators who use EQ (Claydol and Flygon, both BL).
EDIT: Heh, that's nice... Did the Togekiss NP?
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It doesn't matter if they keep Gyara in or not, if they switch out, just recover off the damage. And I'm not the one who suggested such, you're the one who claimed Pory2 wasn't good because of Infernape...

Yeah, Lanturn can really switch into those Gyarados Earthquakes.

I'm not hyping Trace. All I said was the Pokemon don't have Trace. It's a good Ability when you switch it in on what is good for you to have. Anyone can name Ability's that Trace cannot fully benefit off of...what're you getting at? ALOT of abilities aren't always benefitting either.

Trace is important. He comes in on Specs Flashfires like Heatran's Overheat and other Pokemon like Vappy's surf. It can also come in on Jolt or anything else carrying Volt Absorb or anything like that.
 
I ran a Pory2 set very successfully on my first team - it was definately the MVP of the team. However, I ran the Modest version in the analysis with Charge Beam, but if I ever decide to use it again, I'd go bold with max HP, a bit of SpAtk, and the rest in the defenses. I've killed many a Blissey with Charge Beam ;).
 
I really like Porygon2, it's ability is useful for about everything you'd switch P2 on, like an ChoiceSpecs Heatran or a Dugtrio.

If I were to run it, I would EV it 228 HP/200 Def/80 SpAtk, which gives it enough Special Attack to OHKO Garchomp, who will never OHKO and just might miss.
 
Age of Kings said:
See, Porygon2, since the days of G/S/C, have been providing excellent services for all kinds of needs.
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Oh, you would know wouldn't you.
>_>
<_<

*ahem*


On topic: Pory 2 is rather badass when it comes to kicking the crap out of things with their own medicine. Jolt, Vappy, Gyra, Sala, Claydol, Flygon, Heatran, ectect.
 
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