Azure Demon
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If you are running agility run close combat with expert belt. Agility sets are not made for drain punching you need to hit as hard as can as often as you can.
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Hitmonchan
- Thread starter Byrn Dragonstone
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If you are running agility run close combat with expert belt. Agility sets are not made for drain punching you need to hit as hard as can as often as you can.
Or even more gimmicky...(This should only be used with a Trickster Poke setting up Tailwind)
"Aang, the Last Air Bender" @ Expert Belt or Life Orb
Ability: Iron Fist
EVs: 252 Atk/252 Speed/4 HP (or 4 Def if running Bulk Up)
Nature: Adamant
Moveset:
- Close Combat/Bulk Up
- Thunder Punch
- Ice Punch
- Drain Punch
Azure Demon
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So we hit 3 turns then run away again?
Hitmonchan was my favorite mon from RBY. Nothing could beat my moveset of Fire Punch / Ice Punch / ThunderPunch / Metronome.
But yeah, I dont see Hitmonchan being a relevant factor in UU. It really is completely outclassed, not just by Gallade, but by Hairyama, Heracross, Medicham, and more. It's slow and frail, and outside of a slightly more powerful Focus Punch, doesn't really have anything going for it.
But yeah, I dont see Hitmonchan being a relevant factor in UU. It really is completely outclassed, not just by Gallade, but by Hairyama, Heracross, Medicham, and more. It's slow and frail, and outside of a slightly more powerful Focus Punch, doesn't really have anything going for it.
I think Hitmonchan should simply be a worse Conkeldurr. We all know how effective that set was, and Hitmonchan is the only pokemon that can replicate it. It may not have that meaty 140 Attack stat and that beautiful 105 HP, but it can get by with what it has. The absence of Guts makes this set much worse, but it is still manageable. And compared to Gallade, it doesn't have the same bulk, attack, or speed. But Hitmonchan has several key assets that separates it in a positive way. For one, it has much better speed than Conkeldurr, meaning that slower threats can be Drain Punched, as supposed to needing to use Mach Punch on everything. Hitmonchan also has much better special defense than Conkeldurr, meaning that it can take hits better from the special side, which isn't boosted. And compared to Gallade, Hitmonchan not only has better defensive typing (ghost is a common attacking type, and the dark and bug resistances are useful), but it has Mach Punch. Simply put, Gallade's Shadow Sneak really can't net important KO's. It's a nonSTAB base 40 power move. Priority is so key on these sets to take out faster threats, which Gallade just can't do. Hitmonchan not only has Mach Punch but it has Iron Fist to give it a slight boost. Compare Hitmonchan's base 78 power Mach Punch priority to Gallade's base 40 priority (that several key threats, like Togekiss and Staraptor, are immune to). So although Gallade may be better at sweeping and such, Hitmonchan is the Conkeldurr of UU, and is the best pokemon for this role.
Well the thing is about Hitmonchan is Drain Punch stops him getting picked off by priority by keeping him at decent health. Secondly if power is the argument here why the bloody hell would you use Close Combat when Chan can use Hi Jump Kick.
No Eviolite Gurdurr is the Conkeldurr of UU. Better defenses, HP and equal attack.
...or 4 turns if your Trickster is running with Eject Button.
Azure Demon
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So you want me to lose constant recovery on my tailwind pokemon for a 1 use item?
You could always try that with more viable Pokes...Heracross or Hariyama(w/ Guts @ Flame Orb). It would work all the same. Why bother with a recovery move when you can smear half an opponents team with a single Poke?
Azure Demon
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Constant recovery referred to the item not the move. Pranskters normally appreciate leftovers.
Also aren't you assuming a lot aren't you saying sweeping half a team?
Here's a moderatly good set.
Bulkachan @Focus Sash or Life Orb
Ability: Iron Fist
Nature: Adamant
-Bulk Up
-Thunder Punch
-Fire Punch
-Ice Punch
EV's : 4 HP, 252 Atk, 252 Speed
You should be able to outspeed the other Pokemon, and get a Bulk Up off, then they might "0HKO" you. Then you can go for at least nuetral damage off on the other Pokemon, and with max attack might even go for a 0HKO if itself.
You could also use the expert belt, as the three elemental punches are so god for super effective moves.
You can also risk alot and use the life orb.
Bulkachan @Focus Sash or Life Orb
Ability: Iron Fist
Nature: Adamant
-Bulk Up
-Thunder Punch
-Fire Punch
-Ice Punch
EV's : 4 HP, 252 Atk, 252 Speed
You should be able to outspeed the other Pokemon, and get a Bulk Up off, then they might "0HKO" you. Then you can go for at least nuetral damage off on the other Pokemon, and with max attack might even go for a 0HKO if itself.
You could also use the expert belt, as the three elemental punches are so god for super effective moves.
You can also risk alot and use the life orb.
Maybe it's a bit of a stretch with Hariyama, but try running Adamant, Iron Fist, Hitmonchan, or Guts Heracross and see for yourself what happens. If your opponent isn't capable of OHKOing the Tailwind Trickster, you win.
The reason I still consider it a gimmick though is if the Trickster is OHKO'd, you lose.
Think about it...Flame Orb on Hera activates the turn it comes into play as the Trickster is Ejected, PLUS double speed. CC/Megahorn/SE/E-Quake...Double Atk, Double Speed.
Azure Demon
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Too bad heraross is scuffed by a lot of UU bulky ghost
in the anime Shell Break just has a breaking animation throughout the pokemon's body. But it is weird that they still can use that move.
Hitmonchan has less weaknesses than Gallade, but honestly Gallade is a better option because it has better STAB coverage. If you are using Hitmonchan for Rapid Spinning, Hitmontop is better because it gets Mach Punch/Bullet Punch/Sucker Punch/Rapid Spin just like Hitmonchan does and Top does it much better.
I would actually say that gallade still runs the better bulk up set due to his ability to either shadow sneak the ghosts that would wall/status him or magic coat any status they send his way. Add in Gallade's own ability to spread status around, and you've got a real utility pokemon running there.
Hitmonchan can also learn Hi Jump Kick, which Gallade can't. Not that it matters, but still...