70/80 isn't very optimal for Trick Room. However, that's alright, because Hoopa's new forme doesn't need Trick Room up to wreck face. That thing is scary.Seems like it'd do pretty well in a Trick Room team with its speed, especially with moves that hit behind subs which is a very common way of stalling Trick Room turns. The low defense will make it very susceptible to priority moves however.
I've run base 100 speed in Trick Room and it's perfectly fine (0 IV, negative nature), the meta is by and large speed obsessed so I think it would work. You won't under-speed neutral base 50s, but neutral base 60s you will and not all base 50s commonly have no speed investment (Azumarill is a good example).70/80 isn't very optimal for Trick Room. However, that's alright, because Hoopa's new forme doesn't need Trick Room up to wreck face. That thing is scary.
Regular Hoopa, however, will probably end up UU or lower.
Why is the main complaint here that it is weak to Knock Off and Pursuit? Or do the people complaining not know that it gets Psychic/Dark typing?The only Pokemon in OU that have Justified that are relevant are Terrakion and Keldeo, and while they could both be good partners for Hoopa, Hoopa's original form is far inferior to its alternate form. Plus, Pursuit is definitely run; Bisharp and Tyranitar are key players in OU right now, plus with Metagross being popular again, we may see more Pursuit-trappers that wall it, like Scizor and, ironically enough, Metagross itself. Hoopa's alternate form doesn't have to worry about the Dark weakness, just the Bug and Fairy weaknesses, plus it has better offenses and a better signature move. There really isn't any reason you'd be running Hoopa's normal form unless you're playing in a lower tier and Hoopa's alternate form gets put up higher than it.
Psychic/Dark is still horrible defensively, as it gives no resists (just an immunity).Why is the main complaint here that it is weak to Knock Off and Pursuit? Or do the people complaining not know that it gets Psychic/Dark typing?
Hoopa's original form is 4x weak to Dark moves. With how prominent Dark moves are becoming in OU, that's why it's less desirable. It's not a complaint, it's a fact. The argument is that you're going to have to use Hoopa's alternate form for it to be any good in OU, and that's stretching it.Why is the main complaint here that it is weak to Knock Off and Pursuit? Or do the people complaining not know that it gets Psychic/Dark typing?
Stretching it? Hoopa-A is going to wreck in OU. Do you think that a Pokemon with 160 base attack, 170 special attack, STAB Knock Off, and the ability to run TrickScarf is going to be UU? I doubt it.Hoopa's original form is 4x weak to Dark moves. With how prominent Dark moves are becoming in OU, that's why it's less desirable. It's not a complaint, it's a fact. The argument is that you're going to have to use Hoopa's alternate form for it to be any good in OU, and that's stretching it.
I really doubt it with base 80 speed. And a single immunity.Stretching it? Hoopa-A is going to wreck in OU. Do you think that a Pokemon with 160 base attack, 170 special attack, STAB Knock Off, and the ability to run TrickScarf is going to be UU? I doubt it.
Its defensive typing is abysmal, has a 4x weakness to U-Turn, gets walled by Fairies, and has pitiful Speed for its offenses. It may have a niche with TrickScarf, and a good one at that, but that may not be enough to justify a solid place in OU. It'll be B-rank at best.Stretching it? Hoopa-A is going to wreck in OU. Do you think that a Pokemon with 160 base attack, 170 special attack, STAB Knock Off, and the ability to run TrickScarf is going to be UU? I doubt it.
Well, on the bright side, Hoopa-A's Defense was garbage anyways. It's still a really good move.Data miners got a hold of ORAS and we finally know what Hyperspace Fury does; it lowers Defense on each use. http://pastebin.com/vzZpybq1
Gunk Shot.Its defensive typing is abysmal, has a 4x weakness to U-Turn, gets walled by Fairies, and has pitiful Speed for its offenses.
It is on the games, I don't know about the simulator since I wouldn't waste a team slot on this, I'd rather use beedril or pidgeot to feel original. As far as theorymon went this thing is hard to bring in for too little results in OU.Is thing legal to use now, what with being tradeable and all?
You didn't answer my question. I said that we know the OG form is weak to dark, which means you should be running a Fighting or Justified user to support it. As for the alternate form, it is not weak to Dark which goes back to my original question of, then why is everyone still complaining about the Dark weakness if the og form is obsolete compared to the alternate one?Hoopa's original form is 4x weak to Dark moves. With how prominent Dark moves are becoming in OU, that's why it's less desirable. It's not a complaint, it's a fact. The argument is that you're going to have to use Hoopa's alternate form for it to be any good in OU, and that's stretching it.
So again, why not just give it some support. A Poison type (Vensaur, Beedril, Gengar, Tentacruel, Crobat, etc) is bound to draw in Psychic moves which will give you a free switch. If Hoopa Alternate is banded/speced it will put a hole in nearly anything that tries to switch in to it after that turn.Psychic/Dark is still horrible defensively, as it gives no resists (just an immunity).
Are we talking about regular or alterated Hoopa? Because a standard stall team(i.e. those Sableye+Tentacruel builds) is absolutely powerless against Nasty Plot Hoopa-Alterate or even Specs/Band one.If you find a way to use a good core with him I'm all ears, I like the concept behind magician but not its poor execution, that's why I am here.
As of now Hoopa is only a niche Pokemon and a semi mediocre answer to stall, if you find a decent way to use this thing let me know. As of now a lot of pokemon can deal with small better for most teams archetypes. Probably gunk shot and knock off might alleviate it's issues a little bit.