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How do you kill this? Rhyperior Discussion.
- Thread starter ADH
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Have we not established that Rock Head Rhydon always evolves into Hard Rock Rhyperior? If so, why are people still overlooking Ice Punch (Emerald Tutor)?
EDIT: Bah, got it confused with Fire Punch. =(
EDIT: Bah, got it confused with Fire Punch. =(
beats the hell out of me.
personally I'd go with Snow Slide since there's a fairly good chance he's going to get hit and trigger Snow Slide's damage boost, but Ice Punch could be a fairly good alternative.
personally I'd go with Snow Slide since there's a fairly good chance he's going to get hit and trigger Snow Slide's damage boost, but Ice Punch could be a fairly good alternative.
Because Rhydon doesn't get Ice Punch; only Thunder and Fire Punch.
Actually, if Jolteon is Timid, which it of course has to be to outspeed a hypothetical Rock Cart Rhyperior:
Timid, 319 SpA Jolteon's Hidden Power Grass on a 372HP/146SpD (4EVs/min) Rhyperior: 79-93%
I'm sure my numbers and explanations make me sound like I'm a Rhyperior fanboy, but like I told ADH I'm terrified of this thing as we all should be (especially people like you Nobie who are writing it off!)
Good Point, however AG [wich is the one i did calcs for] still 1HKO's
I'm going with Energy Ball Gengar as a counter.
I even used MetalKids program to get my numbers
Max Attack Adament nature Rhyperior using Megahorn on a Gengar with no defensive ev's and a nature that lowers defense: 64-75%
Gengar still survives with a minimum of 25% left to scare Rhyperior out.
Max Attack Adament nature Rhyperior using Megahorn on a Gengar with no defensive ev's and a neutral nature: 58-68%
Definite survival for Gengar here.
Max Attack Adament nature Rhyperior with choice band using Megahorn on a Gengar with no defensive ev's and a neutral nature: 86-101%
Gengar may or may not survive. Has a very slim chance though.
StoneEdge/Rock Slide OHKO's Gengar regardless, so I didn't calculate that. But Gengar is immune to Earthquake due to Levitate.
Rhyperior's only chance of living through Energy Ball is if it has a nature that boosts special defense, as well as max hp and special defense. But with that kind of spread, Rhyperior's attack is wasted.
I even used MetalKids program to get my numbers
Max Attack Adament nature Rhyperior using Megahorn on a Gengar with no defensive ev's and a nature that lowers defense: 64-75%
Gengar still survives with a minimum of 25% left to scare Rhyperior out.
Max Attack Adament nature Rhyperior using Megahorn on a Gengar with no defensive ev's and a neutral nature: 58-68%
Definite survival for Gengar here.
Max Attack Adament nature Rhyperior with choice band using Megahorn on a Gengar with no defensive ev's and a neutral nature: 86-101%
Gengar may or may not survive. Has a very slim chance though.
StoneEdge/Rock Slide OHKO's Gengar regardless, so I didn't calculate that. But Gengar is immune to Earthquake due to Levitate.
Rhyperior's only chance of living through Energy Ball is if it has a nature that boosts special defense, as well as max hp and special defense. But with that kind of spread, Rhyperior's attack is wasted.
What I'm saying when I say "it's no big deal" is that it's no bigger a deal than Heracross, Salamence, Tyranitar, Snorlax, etc. It's powerful yes, but nothing to get your panties in a bunch in comparison to them.
I think there's a strong obsession with trying to find a counter that defeats or threatens a pokemon 99% of the time, or a wall that absolutely stops the opponent. My opinion is there are always Pokemon who are capable of threatening entire teams (Heracross), and while Rhyperior is a more defensive version, it's still not that different. On both ends, one out of five decisions (four moves + switching) must always be chosen so the potential for stopping it exists in every battle.
@sarunibi: CBed Rhyperior Megahorn does at max 43% to min HP and min Def -nature Gengar.
And personally I agree on both counts, that there's an obsession on trying to find good/perfect counters instead of being a threat and that there's a lot of "scary" pokemon in DP. But again, numbers are just numbers, and if anything they would cause me to want to use Rhyperior to a greater degree than however much he scares me because of them.
Against Torterra, Snow Slide has equal power to Megahorn, and the superior accuracy.
And how does defensive Breloom KO Rhyperior exactly? It would need to have Grass Rope, because defensive Breloom's Sky Uppercut would be LOL on Rhyperior, and Seed Bomb would be better but has a 0% chance of killing it. Where the hell do you fit Grass Rope on defensive Breloom? Switch it in to Megahorn and almost get killed, then sacrifice Breloom to ALMOST kill Rhyperior?
The CB variant also outspeeds Breloom, so really, defensive Breloom isn't a good option. My defensive version with 401 HP/190 SD can also take a Grass Rope and strike back.
Rhyperior is just freaking beastly.
From Gen I, I had three favorites: Arcanine, Porygon and Rhydon. Gen IV is a happy time for me.
To be honest, I have a hard time fitting Rhyperior on teams I plan out due to all his weaknesses (because of the common "antisweeper" Pokemon). Yes, he's a beast, but an EQ weak is an EQ weak when you're dealing with CBTar.
He's just too sexy not to use, though, and in that sense he has much the same appeal as Porygon-Z and Togekiss.
To be honest, I have a hard time fitting Rhyperior on teams I plan out due to all his weaknesses (because of the common "antisweeper" Pokemon). Yes, he's a beast, but an EQ weak is an EQ weak when you're dealing with CBTar.
He's just too sexy not to use, though, and in that sense he has much the same appeal as Porygon-Z and Togekiss.
Breloom can spore it without much fear of being koed. Also seed bomb does enough to scare it into switching, or severely hurting its tanking abilities (it always 2hkos).
People are talking about investing a lot of speed into Rhyperior? I was thinking of just giving Slowbro 84 speed EVs to outspeed Rhyperior, but what's up with fast Rhyperior? Doesn't that trait pretty much beg you to pump defenses?
What about using Gengar with Destiny Bond? Levitate takes away Earthquake and with it's speed, you should be able to even get in Destiny Bond on second turn. The only thing you need to be sure of is if he's going to use quake. Besides, Stone's Edge has only 70% accuracy and Megahorn's not perfect, either. Granted, you lose Gengar, but you do lose Rhyperior.
That's 80% on Stone Edge, good buddy. Not exactly Focus Bomb terrible, is it?
I like Cresselia for my countering purposes, personally.
I like Cresselia for my countering purposes, personally.
So your using a Megahorn weak as your Counter? Be my guest.
That's pretty much the main reason I'm maxing speed and asking questions later on mine. It reaches 179 speed, which would be a fine number if the 176-min Skarmory figured to feature prominently both as a Rhyperior counter and in DP in general. Weezing's min is 156 so outspeeding that guaranteed would be pretty cool on a CB set or not, but until DP's out and we know of all the speeds of the actual metagame pokes I guess we can't really say.
Besides the facts that Gengar can't really ever switch in and that Rhyperior won't ever stay in on a Gengar that's actually in on it for whatever reason, for fear of WoW alone, why wouldn't you just use a Modest 394 SpA Energy Ball to OHKO it?
Cresselia's a fine counter of Rhyperior in the grand scheme of things, for the reasons I outlined earlier.