Data Initial Gen 7 UU Banlists (updated in post #38)

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#27
True, but I'd prefer to use an all OU team until I get more experience in the competitive scene.
Being OU, UU, etc. doesn't matter in the slightest. It doesn't determine how good or viable a pokemon is in another meta. The only thing it determines is how popular it is. Tangrowth in ORAS, for example, was RU for the longest time but was always a great OU Pokemon, and then viola it got OU usage, and nothing changed at all in the long run. Use whatever your team needs, UU is basically ORAS OU at this point anyways.
 
#29
Being OU, UU, etc. doesn't matter in the slightest. It doesn't determine how good or viable a pokemon is in another meta. The only thing it determines is how popular it is. Tangrowth in ORAS, for example, was RU for the longest time but was always a great OU Pokemon, and then viola it got OU usage, and nothing changed at all in the long run. Use whatever your team needs, UU is basically ORAS OU at this point anyways.
OU Pokémon are still more viable than UU in general. There's a reason they are used more, and though popularity might play into it, it's not the biggest factor. Nothing wrong with using OU stuff if you're still starting out. That said, the meta is still young, and there's likely to be many changes.
 
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#30
OU Pokémon are still more viable than UU in general. There's a reason they are used more, and though popularity might play into it, it's not the biggest factor. Nothing with using OU stuff if you're still starting out. That said, the meta is still young, and there's likely to be many changes.
Yeah I know, my point was that you shouldn't discredit a mon or be reluctant to use it based on its tier.

Anyways, would Scizor potentially get QBed? I know for a fact it'll be getting a suspect with how strong it is in UU, but I'm asking for opinions on a potential QB.
 
#33
Hey at least Lucario's amazing in RU now

>inb4 quickban

As people have said, many mons' viability will shift once the tiers sort themselves out. Never forget Quagsire, lads.
 
#36
Hey at least Lucario's amazing in RU now

>inb4 quickban

As people have said, many mons' viability will shift once the tiers sort themselves out. Never forget Quagsire, lads.
Trust me, Lucario won't get quickbanned anytime soon. Due to it's capability of getting revenge killed as well as LO recoil and weaknesses to the most common types in the metagame (Fighting,Fire,Ground) it'll have a long way to go from getting quickbanned from RU btw. A lot of things can survive a ESpeed from it too like Donphan, Emboar, Mienshao, and many more that can in turn hit back and KO Lucario or leave a huge dent to it with STAB moves or priority. And yeah never forget quag lol.
 
#37
Trust me, Lucario won't get quickbanned anytime soon. Due to it's capability of getting revenge killed as well as LO recoil and weaknesses to the most common types in the metagame (Fighting,Fire,Ground) it'll have a long way to go from getting quickbanned from RU btw. A lot of things can survive a ESpeed from it too like Donphan, Emboar, Mienshao, and many more that can in turn hit back and KO Lucario or leave a huge dent to it with STAB moves or priority. And yeah never forget quag lol.
I don't agree with you since there is no hyper offensive team that can take a +2 extremespeed except running ghost types. Lucario is way too good for RU.
 

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#38
So here's the sitch: when Pokebank was released, PS decomissioned the pre-bank tier and renamed the "pokebank" tier to be "gen7ou" (e.g.). This means that "gen7ou" is a combination of pre-bank and post-bank data, and the "pokebank" tier doesn't contain any data from post-pokebank release.

I'm going to rerun my scripts to try to combine all "pokebank" data and exclude post-bank from the "pre-bank" stats, but (1) it's going to take a few days and (2) it's not going to be perfect, since the change happened midway through the 26th, and I have no feasible way of separating stats that are of the same tier name and on the same day.

That being said, I'm going to go ahead and post all the stats I have in their current state and just expect to get a bunch of questions regarding why X is in the pre-bank stats.

I'm also not going to hold off on updating the UU banlist, because it's rare for five days' worth of data to change much. When my rerun finishes, I'll update the OU list as appropriate.
So here's the combined usage stats and the UU tier changes based on Jan 1-26 "gen7pokebankou" data.

Note that since UU is only just now leaving Beta, I'm using the standard cutoff of 3.41% for drops and rises.

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Combined usage for OU
+ ---- + ------------------ + ------- +
| Rank | Pokemon            | Percent |
+ ---- + ------------------ + ------- +
| 1    | Landorus-Therian   | 48.528% |
| 2    | Tapu Fini          | 31.162% |
| 3    | Metagross-Mega     | 29.884% |
| 4    | Tapu Lele          | 27.199% |
| 5    | Greninja-Ash       | 20.489% |
| 6    | Magearna           | 16.463% |
| 7    | Pheromosa          | 15.979% |
| 8    | Tapu Koko          | 14.804% |
| 9    | Heatran            | 13.994% |
| 10   | Garchomp           | 13.735% |
| 11   | Ferrothorn         | 11.833% |
| 12   | Magnezone          | 11.669% |
| 13   | Tapu Bulu          | 10.966% |
| 14   | Marowak-Alola      |  9.925% |
| 15   | Dugtrio            |  9.392% |
| 16   | Excadrill          |  9.210% |
| 17   | Scizor-Mega        |  9.117% |
| 18   | Toxapex            |  8.987% |
| 19   | Skarmory           |  8.645% |
| 20   | Celesteela         |  8.385% |
| 21   | Venusaur-Mega      |  7.380% |
| 22   | Greninja           |  7.321% |
| 23   | Charizard-Mega-X   |  6.948% |
| 24   | Kartana            |  6.865% |
| 25   | Chansey            |  6.846% |
| 26   | Volcarona          |  6.291% |
| 27   | Sableye-Mega       |  6.215% |
| 28   | Latios             |  6.158% |
| 29   | Hoopa-Unbound      |  6.085% |
| 30   | Zygarde            |  5.953% |
| 31   | Charizard-Mega-Y   |  5.802% |
| 32   | Tyranitar          |  5.320% |
| 33   | Zapdos             |  5.286% |
| 34   | Rotom-Wash         |  5.266% |
| 35   | Pinsir-Mega        |  5.131% |
| 36   | Nihilego           |  5.130% |
| 37   | Mimikyu            |  5.019% |
| 38   | Buzzwole           |  4.685% |
| 39   | Jirachi            |  4.486% |
| 40   | Mamoswine          |  4.477% |
| 41   | Manaphy            |  4.323% |
| 42   | Salamence          |  4.104% |
| 43   | Xurkitree          |  3.980% |
| 44   | Tangrowth          |  3.770% |
| 45   | Alakazam-Mega      |  3.733% |
| 46   | Muk-Alola          |  3.538% |
| 47   | Scolipede          |  3.522% |
| 48   | Pelipper           |  3.511% |
| 49   | Gyarados-Mega      |  3.366% |
| 50   | Clefable           |  3.248% |
| 51   | Dragonite          |  2.746% |
| 52   | Gengar             |  2.674% |
| 53   | Serperior          |  2.610% |
| 54   | Kingdra            |  2.463% |
| 55   | Keldeo             |  2.448% |
| 56   | Amoonguss          |  2.436% |
| 57   | Kyurem-Black       |  2.257% |
| 58   | Azelf              |  2.218% |
| 59   | Necrozma           |  2.167% |
| 60   | Mantine            |  2.152% |
| 61   | Gyarados           |  2.142% |
| 62   | Bisharp            |  2.033% |
| 63   | Tornadus-Therian   |  1.999% |
| 64   | Porygon-Z          |  1.950% |
| 65   | Sharpedo-Mega      |  1.921% |
| 66   | Zygarde-10%        |  1.809% |
| 67   | Mandibuzz          |  1.751% |
| 68   | Weavile            |  1.643% |
| 69   | Shedinja           |  1.638% |
| 70   | Quagsire           |  1.574% |
| 71   | Hydreigon          |  1.560% |
| 72   | Togekiss           |  1.540% |
| 73   | Breloom            |  1.539% |
| 74   | Hippowdon          |  1.514% |
| 75   | Alomomola          |  1.357% |
| 76   | Decidueye          |  1.317% |
| 77   | Ninetales-Alola    |  1.316% |
| 78   | Gliscor            |  1.313% |
| 79   | Salazzle           |  1.312% |
| 80   | Seismitoad         |  1.273% |
| 81   | Thundurus          |  1.236% |
| 82   | Tentacruel         |  1.225% |
| 83   | Latias             |  1.185% |
| 84   | Azumarill          |  1.142% |
| 85   | Smeargle           |  1.109% |
| 86   | Victini            |  1.108% |
| 87   | Terrakion          |  1.099% |
| 88   | Ditto              |  1.097% |
| 89   | Porygon2           |  1.067% |
| 90   | Thundurus-Therian  |  1.053% |
| 91   | Starmie            |  1.052% |
| 92   | Mew                |  1.046% |
| 93   | Scizor             |  1.042% |
| 94   | Volcanion          |  0.987% |
| 95   | Primarina          |  0.972% |
| 96   | Araquanid          |  0.963% |
| 97   | Chandelure         |  0.871% |
| 98   | Dhelmise           |  0.798% |
| 99   | Nidoking           |  0.783% |
| 100  | Golisopod          |  0.765% |
| 101  | Slowbro            |  0.715% |
| 102  | Espeon             |  0.704% |
| 103  | Bronzong           |  0.703% |
| 104  | Venusaur           |  0.689% |
| 105  | Raichu-Alola       |  0.671% |
| 106  | Suicune            |  0.623% |
| 107  | Kabutops           |  0.621% |
| 108  | Krookodile         |  0.618% |
| 109  | Raikou             |  0.608% |
| 110  | Shuckle            |  0.600% |
| 111  | Hawlucha           |  0.585% |
| 112  | Absol-Mega         |  0.566% |
| 113  | Cloyster           |  0.521% |
| 114  | Minior             |  0.518% |
| 115  | Conkeldurr         |  0.509% |
| 116  | Aerodactyl-Mega    |  0.507% |
| 117  | Persian-Alola      |  0.504% |
| 118  | Gastrodon          |  0.504% |
| 119  | Klefki             |  0.486% |
| 120  | Crawdaunt          |  0.481% |
| 121  | Blissey            |  0.480% |
| 122  | Umbreon            |  0.472% |
| 123  | Diggersby          |  0.463% |
| 124  | Bewear             |  0.458% |
| 125  | Infernape          |  0.454% |
| 126  | Alakazam           |  0.453% |
| 127  | Arcanine           |  0.448% |
| 128  | Ninetales          |  0.440% |
| 129  | Celebi             |  0.437% |
| 130  | Cresselia          |  0.435% |
| 131  | Garchomp-Mega      |  0.415% |
| 132  | Tsareena           |  0.411% |
| 133  | Slowbro-Mega       |  0.407% |
| 134  | Staraptor          |  0.397% |
| 135  | Pyukumuku          |  0.396% |
| 136  | Kommo-o            |  0.392% |
| 137  | Goodra             |  0.390% |
| 138  | Darmanitan         |  0.377% |
| 139  | Galvantula         |  0.355% |
| 140  | Torkoal            |  0.353% |
| 141  | Forretress         |  0.352% |
| 142  | Talonflame         |  0.341% |
| 143  | Lycanroc           |  0.338% |
| 144  | Exeggutor-Alola    |  0.328% |
| 145  | Donphan            |  0.321% |
| 146  | Sylveon            |  0.319% |
| 147  | Blastoise-Mega     |  0.284% |
| 148  | Reuniclus          |  0.277% |
| 149  | Entei              |  0.271% |
| 150  | Vikavolt           |  0.263% |
| 151  | Whimsicott         |  0.263% |
| 152  | Sandslash-Alola    |  0.261% |
| 153  | Empoleon           |  0.250% |
| 154  | Rotom-Heat         |  0.247% |
| 155  | Snorlax            |  0.245% |
| 156  | Heracross          |  0.237% |
| 157  | Metagross          |  0.229% |
| 158  | Gigalith           |  0.228% |
| 159  | Drampa             |  0.223% |
| 160  | Jolteon            |  0.221% |
| 161  | Moltres            |  0.215% |
| 162  | Omastar            |  0.215% |
| 163  | Roserade           |  0.208% |
| 164  | Crobat             |  0.205% |
| 165  | Swampert           |  0.204% |
| 166  | Lucario            |  0.201% |
| 167  | Flygon             |  0.199% |
| 168  | Slowking           |  0.196% |
| 169  | Nidoqueen          |  0.192% |
| 170  | Xatu               |  0.182% |
| 171  | Milotic            |  0.180% |
| 172  | Chesnaught         |  0.180% |
| 173  | Ribombee           |  0.178% |
| 174  | Komala             |  0.174% |
| 175  | Ludicolo           |  0.170% |
| 176  | Politoed           |  0.162% |
| 177  | Incineroar         |  0.152% |
| 178  | Golem-Alola        |  0.150% |
| 179  | Uxie               |  0.149% |
| 180  | Vaporeon           |  0.149% |
| 181  | Mudsdale           |  0.145% |
| 182  | Froslass           |  0.132% |
| 183  | Aerodactyl         |  0.130% |
| 184  | Wishiwashi         |  0.130% |
| 185  | Rhyperior          |  0.129% |
| 186  | Audino             |  0.127% |
| 187  | Toxicroak          |  0.126% |
| 188  | Cofagrigus         |  0.125% |
| 189  | Comfey             |  0.123% |
| 190  | Crabominable       |  0.122% |
| 191  | Machamp            |  0.122% |
| 192  | Guzzlord           |  0.120% |
| 193  | Victreebel         |  0.118% |
| 194  | Carbink            |  0.116% |
| 195  | Haxorus            |  0.114% |
| 196  | Electivire         |  0.113% |
| 197  | Feraligatr         |  0.112% |
| 198  | Swellow            |  0.111% |
| 199  | Bruxish            |  0.110% |
| 200  | Turtonator         |  0.107% |
| 201  | Lanturn            |  0.107% |
| 202  | Doublade           |  0.107% |
| 203  | Dugtrio-Alola      |  0.106% |
| 204  | Jellicent          |  0.104% |
| 205  | Silvally           |  0.103% |
| 206  | Zoroark            |  0.103% |
+ ---- + ------------------ + ------- +
Kingdra moved from OU to UU
Scolipede moved from BL to OU
Charizard-Mega-Y moved from BL to OU
Clefable moved from OU to UU
Mantine moved from OU to UU
Salamence moved from BL to OU
Volcarona moved from BL to OU

Edit: combined stats that include Jan 27-31 are here. The changelist stays the same.
 
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#40
why the fuck people still use xurkitree blows my mind. Anyways im shocked people haven't picked up on how good bronzong and gastrodon are right now. They are great in the current meta game same with serperior
 
#42
gg people, rain is busted now.

tfw when zapdos, mimikyu and xurkitree are still in OU. at least clefable looks lit. the real talk is the RU changes tho. that is crazy

also, landorus on literally half of teams is just cancer to me. it's making me wish it gets to boot for more diversity inb4 garchomp becomes new lando after that
Xurkitree breaks walls
there are better stuff at breaking walls tho.
 
#50
If Xurkitree were to drop it'd probably be busted with that high Special Attack stat. The lowest it could be in is BL.

Xurkitree ain't bad guys. At least it's better than a certain UB...
 
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