It's offical, the new formes DON'T work on wifi or union room.

The shadow knight said:
I think that Platinum treats any Shaymin(land or sky form) coming from D/P as being land form(perhaps even the ones coming from other Platinums?). It reads out the HEX-slot that D/P is sending and copies the data but it doesn't add the value that Platinum uses to determine whether the Shaymin is land form or sky form which makes it read it as being land form so it assigns the land form traits to the Shaymin that is being sent.
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No.

Platinum reads the hex that D/P is sending and stores the same hex without modifying it. If you set it up so that the hex for shaymin in D/P would be skymin in platinum, platinum will view it as skymin.
 
Unown Lord said:
At any rate, the more important point is the one involving the uniqueness of Origin Forme and the Rotom forms. There are only meant to be one of each per a game (at the same time). The trading restrictions were set in order to ensure that; Wi-Fi and Union Room battles (and Sky Forme) ended up paying the price.
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Um, hate to but in, but Rotom can breed. >.>
 
Arseus said:
shaymininfernape.png

I don't understand, why would they show images of Shaymin and Giratina on Wifi if you can't actually use them? It's not like these would've been early beta screens or anything, we got them close to release.

Maybe someone with some Japanese knowledge should contact NOJ or something of the sort?
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Exellent point that picture cuts it for me, shaymin sky must be obtianible on wi fi if that is an offical picture stating that as being a fact that it is taken on wi fi.
 
I don't know if anyone thought about this, but perhaps it doesn't work for people outside Japan because the American/European/Australian Wi-Fi servers aren't updated for platinum yet. It could be that the Union Room problem will be solved by a mystery gift for Diamond & Pearl that implents the images. (Perhaps a specialy coded Oak's Letter or Azure Flute that patches the game). After that it's just a patch for Platinum, so the Items won't be taken off the Pokemon, and the whole problem is solved. Or.... Nintendo/GameFreak is just too lazy to fix it, and we'll never be able to use them....

Perhaps there are some Smogoners that live in Japan, or know people in Japan and let them the test their Shaymin/Giratina/Rotom on Wi-Fi

ChouToshio said:
Um, hate to but in, but Rotom can breed. >.>
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Well, I'm not sure, and haven't tested it yet, but I think that the standard Rotom will hatch from the egg.
 
Guys, browsing YouTube I came along this. The battle itself is not important, but the description is:

I couldn't battle WIfi today cause it wasn't working due to maintenance by Nintendo.
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Could this mean anything?
 
Well from what hrc has discovered, the only way Skymin will ever be allowed on Wi-Fi without transforming is if they patch our games somehow.
 
Yeah, local wireless battles also show the signal bars in the corner. That has to be what that picture was from.
 
Syberia said:
Yeah, local wireless battles also show the signal bars in the corner. That has to be what that picture was from.
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in local battle the first and second bars are taller than on wifi. the picture is definately from wifi judging from how large the first and second bar are.
 
Yet another theorycodingmon post.


Now that I stop to think about, all this "Skymin on D/P" thingy seems to be just a "fail-safe" (right term?). It seems that they, obviously, didn't plan to allow Sky Shaymin on D/P, but still, if something went wrong while trading one to D/P, it would be usable. But even so, you'd only get this kind of situation hacking (like me), or exploiting a HUGE glitch, or both.

So, if they have placed this fail-safe, isn't it logical that they actually expected D/P would be REALLY close of getting a Sky Shaymin, via trading? I don't think they'd do it if the possibility is zero (as you can't even enter Pt Wi-Fi with it). The more I think about this issue, the more I think they have messed up with something.

Origintina seems to be programmed in such a way that Giratina's basic form is Another. If it's holding the Platinum Orb, or if the player is in Torn World, it becomes Origin. Talking in a pretty basic programming language (lol Pascal), it would be:

Code: 
[SIZE="2"]for n=1 to 6
begin
    if [i]Player.Location='Torn World'[/i] then
        Pkmnonparty[n].Form='Origin'
    else
        if [i]Pkmnonparty[n].Item='Platinum Orb'[/i] then
            Pkmnonparty[n].Form=1
        else
            Pkmnonparty[n].Form=0
end;[/SIZE]

Zero being the "first" form, and one, the "new" form.
Pretty simple. But, wouldn't it be easy to add a line or two for Wi-Fi?

Code: 
[SIZE="2"]for n=1 to 6
begin
    if [i]((Player.Location='Torn World' OR Player.Location='Wi-Fi') OR Player.Location='Union Room')[/i] then
    begin
        Pkmnonparty[n].Form=1
        if [i]Player.Location='Wi-Fi' OR Player.Location='Union Room'[/i] then
            RemoveItem(Pkmnonparty[n]);
    end
    else
        if [i]Pkmnonparty[n].Item='Platinum Orb'[/i] then
            Pkmnonparty[n].Form=1
        else
            Pkmnonparty[n].Form=0
end;[/SIZE]

Feel the drama again? Giratina's the most complicated new form, as it needs an item. Yet it's simple to solve.

Same thing with trading. They could just add it:

Code: 
[SIZE="2"]for n=1 to 6
    if ((Pkmnonparty[n].Number=479 OR Pkmnonparty[n].Number=487) OR Pkmnonparty[n].Number=492) then
        Pkmnonparty[n].Form=0;[/SIZE]

Zero being the "first" form for any of them. See how it's less drastic? You can battle with the new forms, you just can't trade them whatsoever. If you're sending them to D/P, then good thing, we don't get the new forms there, so no 100 Base Skymin or whatever. If it's Platinum, no worries, as the other player can also get the forms by him/herself.

Considering its relative simplicity to solve, and the fact they could make the new forms revert only when trading, and the fact D/P doesn't self-destruct when they make contact with a new form in battle (actually, with simple hacking, they can even use the forms...), I seriously can't understand why we can't use the forms. I know I'm being really boring with all these posts, but I think I'm getting slightly obsessed with them -__- I feel I need to prove Game Freak either did a mistake or played poorly, because they didn't need to do that. and I think I'll insist on that until the US version is released and the possible bug, fixed; unless it's not a bug, or it is but they don't realize until then. Even so, we'd have Nintendo WFC to fix it, I believe.


Anyways...


... I can't test Origintina. I don't know any ingame trainer with Knock Off/Trick, and using a Scizor with Knock Off to use it on Origintina doesn't work; either the item is "unknockoffable", or Knock Off just doesn't work on your allies.

I could try adding Origintina to Diamond; even if the game doesn't have any coding to transform Giratina's forme when losing the item, Platinum is the newest game and would "control" the battle, pretty much like D/P Skymin not getting hit by Earthquake and such.

But I think the best thing would Syberia helping us. We need somebody to do a local Pt vs. Pt Battle, talking to that woman on the right. Both games are programmed to handle with Origintina, so, if somebody must happen, it will.


...


Huh, can you battle with D/P talking with that woman? If so, somebody should bring a Skymin and an Origintina to the Pt vs. D/P battle...
 
Arael said:
... I can't test Origintina. I don't know any ingame trainer with Knock Off/Trick, and using a Scizor with Knock Off to use it on Origintina doesn't work; either the item is "unknockoffable", or Knock Off just doesn't work on your allies.
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Stellar just tested that also and got the same results. It apperas that, Like arceus, Orgin Forme Giratina has a Sticky Hold ability also. (Oh, and you can knock off your allies item)
 
Bogmire said:
in local battle the first and second bars are taller than on wifi. the picture is definately from wifi judging from how large the first and second bar are.
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Actually, it seems I was mistaken, and Clear and Syberia were correct. Upon comparing the screen with a shot of the Wifi Square (below), it seems the boxes surrounding the bars are different. One can infer from this that the Skymin was in a local battle, and GF never showed it or Giratina's Origin in Wifi at all.

wifi-firefireworks.png

Arseus said:
Maybe someone with some Japanese knowledge should contact NOJ or something of the sort?
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I stand by this, however. An official statement would be nice to have, even if everything points to the new formes not being usable on Wifi.
 
Bah, a search on "Sky form" and "Wifi Battle" doesn't even bring anything up. It's like the Japanese sites aren't even talking about htis problem. >.>
 
And we can't even say it's something with Wi-Fi or American DSes, as Union Room doesn't work either and Clear has tried getting in with the new forms on a Japanese DS.

Maybe the DS has a GPS system which has never been revealed by Nintendo? =O
 
Arael said:
And we can't even say it's something with Wi-Fi or American DSes, as Union Room doesn't work either and Clear has tried getting in with the new forms on a Japanese DS.

Maybe the DS has a GPS system which has never been revealed by Nintendo? =O
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They can do that actually, there is the same technology in a DS, so maybe that is there plan, you never know.
 
Just going to Point out, that I was on the new GTS last night and watched a few recorded battles of what were clearly Orgintina and Skymin against a DP opponent (could tell by clothes).
 
Groudon199 said:
Just going to Point out, that I was on the new GTS last night and watched a few recorded battles of what were clearly Orgintina and Skymin against a DP opponent (could tell by clothes).
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Are you sure this was over wifi?

Come to think of it, could it be a glitch where Japanese Platinum can't use the formes against American D/P games? Doesn't make much sense but it's worth checking out I think.
 
Good (odd) theory, Lexx. I'm going to download a Japanese Diamond rom to test it tomorrow.

It can really be everything now. It might even be LHC's fault.


... Actually, it doesn't mean much, as Shaymin and Giratina are transformed to the "normal" forms once you enter Wi-Fi/Union Room. Even if there isn't any D/P game on the room already.
 
the Lexx said:
Are you sure this was over wifi?

Come to think of it, could it be a glitch where Japanese Platinum can't use the formes against American D/P games? Doesn't make much sense but it's worth checking out I think.
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(Hi Lexx)

The only thing I'm completely sure of is that it was Origintina and Skymin against someone using Diamond or Pearl. I can't tell if it was a Wi-Fi or local battle as it was using the Battle Recorder.
 
Yeah, it can't be a D/P - D/P battle, as the only version with a battle recorder feature is Platinum. So, once again, D/P proves they don't have any compatibility issues with Platinum, except trading, which could be resolved in a much less drastic way blahblahblah...
 
Maybe it's just a glitch affecting those of us with "pre-release" ROMs? Has anyone re-dumped an official cartridge since the game actually came out?
 
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