Calm_Mind_Latias My stats post on M-Pinsir was deleted for some reason but I basically mentioned the same thing as you + information on other checks. Pinsir is a monster, but not the same type of monster as Kanga.
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Kangaskhanite Tiering Discussion [+Demographics Poll Added to OP]
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For one, not all Megas are broken. Stuff like Mega Alakazam and Heracross are often considered worse then their base forms due to their abilities and lack of a item, while stuff like Mega Manectric are far from overpowered. Secondly, you say you'd rather fight Mega Kanga then your standard cookie cutter team, well given Mega Kanga is considered one of the best Megas in the game, it could very well become a part of your standard cookie cutter team, because why use any other Mega when you can use Mega Kanga.
Just because they are currently eclipsed by Mega-Kanga, doesn't mean they aren't OP. Every single Mega completely owns anything that is not mega tbh. That is why they are called Mega. Once Mega-Kanga is gone, everyone is gonna use Lucario, and it is going to stand out as being the 'New Mega-Kanga'.
Once Lucario is gone, you are gonna be getting complaints about how Mega-Pinsir is just TOO STRONG. It's a cycle that doesn't stop. Why waste time?
I wouldn't know to begin with this.
Just saying. Adamant Dugtrio can trap and Revenge Kill a Mega Lucario. All while still having value for revenge/killing trapping other pokemon like Tyranitar.
M-Khan has nothing like this.
So, what's the point of the thread since everybody who even pretends to play the game has shown their support for the ban? We could argue with KaminaSan about how his honest opinion is incorrect, but that sounds more boring than his cookie cutter nightmares that the metagame will turn into without his precious Kangaskhanite.
Hahahaha what.
Something tells me you haven't used any of the other Megas than MKanga in any competitive scene at all.
I can't think of a single mega pokemon that was already OU prior to receiving its mega-evolution that became distinctly better (to the point of overshadowing not only every other one of their own sets, let alone every other pokemon, period) because of their mega evolution. The closest one I can think of is Mega Lucario, and even than, normal Luke still gains some benefits from items that its mega form doesn't quite get.
Additionally, cookie cutter teams may not be the best thing in the world, but they'll always exist for as long as there are less skilled players who have yet to learn the fundamentals, and I'd be a lot happier if the cutter didn't revolve around Megakhan.
Additionally, cookie cutter teams may not be the best thing in the world, but they'll always exist for as long as there are less skilled players who have yet to learn the fundamentals, and I'd be a lot happier if the cutter didn't revolve around Megakhan.
Mega pinsir and lucario distinguish themselves from mega kangaskhan with the simple fact that they have many checks and counters that don't have to resort to obscure sets that are only there to check one pokemon. Your slippery slope argument is a common and ridiculous one
You have got to be fucking kidding me. With arguments like these coming from almost every person against banning this thing, how has it not already been quickbanned? They practically dismantle themselves.
I sort of want to bang my head against a desk right now. It's not because of most of you guys, just a few people who believe that Mega Pinsir is uber material like Kanga with 5x weaknesses to common attacking types and...actually no. Everything I'm going to say has been said.
You're right. Why use thundurus-t or volcarona when you have much superior options such as mega houndoom and mega manectric?!?! Jesus christ.
Hey, it's UU and has OU and Uber analyses for B2/W2.
He is just crying because he won't be able to use MKhan anymore and he will stop winning because then it actually requires some skill to win
It's plain and simple. Mega Kanga does too much damage, with only a handful of Pokemon that can deal with it. It has all the stats in needs, and a ridiculous move pool. I think the majority of people voting for it not to be banned don't grasp the concept of over-centralizing. I feel like Kanga is this generations Garchomp, and we should ban it now rather than later.
He is just crying because he won't be able to use MKhan anymore and he will stop winning because then it actually requires some skill to win
TBH, I'm not even sure if he plays the game considering that stupid assumption about Megas are better than everything.
Hahahahah I can sorta see where fat kamina san is coming from. If mega-kangaskhan is banned I can see lucario as the next target then pinsir and so on so I think it'd be nice to just keep them all =( imo >__<
One day, I'd like somebody, anybody to not be so cowardly as to stop at Mega Pinsir. What's next on the list? Somebody enlighten me.
can i just quote myself
the only megas that i'd say are even somewhat ridiculous after kang would be luke, pinsir and to a certain extent, mawile. maybe mega medicham if you want to go that far. the others aren't really that crazy imo
the only megas that i'd say are even somewhat ridiculous after kang would be luke, pinsir and to a certain extent, mawile. maybe mega medicham if you want to go that far. the others aren't really that crazy imo
Mega Alakazam, its just so OP it was implied
So, in the end you just want a pokemon in OU because you want a challenge? Go play Ubers with some Handicapped teams then.
For the rest of us, we rather have a healthy metagame where we don't have to concern every single team we make with ridiculous gimmicks, centralized pokemon or items like Rocky Helmet on a Garchomp or forcibly having to sacrifice a pokemon as a strategy to win against a single 'mon.
hard to beat? yes. Impossible to beat? no. A pain in the donkey to deal with as from the second you see it in team preview all you can think about is how you'll deal with it? HELL YES!!! It isn't just that MKhan can eliminate a whole team by himself if you you get a little bad luck, its that you cripple yourself in the rest of the fight as you keep certain pokemon in reserve because if you use them before Mkhan comes out, you're screwed. Pokemon is a strategy game made to pit you against the mind of your opponent (at least that's how I like to think of it), not you against the OP marsupial that needs to stop teaching her son bad habbits
Saying banning mega kang will lead to the banning of all megas is no different than saying all legendaries will/ should be banned.Pokemon with terrible stats and terrible movepools are tiered accordingly. Call me when articuno is Uber without massive changes.
From what I've witnesses and experienced, mega kanga is insanely strong and requires and some seriously specified checks to beat, I've yet to see an actual counter for the mega mom, and frankly, I don't think one even exists outside the complete bulk hitmontop that feels really, really specifiliazed for this job.
Not to mention some of the checks are 50/50 in terms of success at times aswell.
It's the god damn sucker punch that makes this thing so frustating to take down. And you can't even check it with a trick carrying revenge killer either.
It feels really overcentralizing when everyone and their mothers start carrying rocky helmets and lot of priority users just to keep the mega mom in chains.
and just seeing that thing on the team means "time to play don't let kanga get +2 with PuP!"
as much as I hate quick bans and the like, mega kanga really needs to get slowed down, or if not, put to #1 on suspect tests when pokebank comes out.
Not to mention some of the checks are 50/50 in terms of success at times aswell.
It's the god damn sucker punch that makes this thing so frustating to take down. And you can't even check it with a trick carrying revenge killer either.
It feels really overcentralizing when everyone and their mothers start carrying rocky helmets and lot of priority users just to keep the mega mom in chains.
and just seeing that thing on the team means "time to play don't let kanga get +2 with PuP!"
as much as I hate quick bans and the like, mega kanga really needs to get slowed down, or if not, put to #1 on suspect tests when pokebank comes out.
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