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Keldeo [available from June 23rd to August 31st]

At any rate, I'm actually smiling that Parasect can call itself a hard counter to Keldeo. This is both amusing and interesting, since Parasect already is functional in OU to begin with. I'm guessing it will get used more once Keldeo is released. However, if Parasect is one of only three things that can't be OHKO'd/2HKO'd by Keldeo, then Keldeo is just asking to be kicked to Ubers (since it would be very, VERY broken).

...good thing Parasect is also usable (and even better) in the Uber metagame, then. :P
 
Yeah, Keldeo is going to run roughshod over most of the current meta. However, aren't there going to be event versions of the other three musketeers before that? Between Virizion's nice special defense and knack for operating in rain, it might be able to take a Secret Sword barring prior damage and fight back with a Giga Drain. If Keldeo comes in after Virizion has fired off a close combat, yeah, good luck surviving that at -1 defense.

Also, Keldeo is going to be held back because of its predictability. There are pretty much no other usable special moves in its pool, and typical of Trollfreak to give it a ton of physical options and a sucky attack stat to use them with. And are we also forgetting that Lati@s outspeeds it and forces it out with the threat of a SE STAB Psyshock/Psychic? (Probably Psyshock due to its running CM.) Like all sweepers, Keldeo is also going to want to avoid Toxic Spikes.

TL;DR: Those damage calcs and coverage are fearsome, but its lack of viable options translate to it being relatively easy to play around, at least in my theorymon.
 
Unbreakable said:
Also, Keldeo is going to be held back because of its predictability. There are pretty much no other usable special moves in its pool, and typical of Trollfreak to give it a ton of physical options and a sucky attack stat to use them with. And are we also forgetting that Lati@s outspeeds it and forces it out with the threat of a SE STAB Psyshock/Psychic? (Probably Psyshock due to its running CM.) Like all sweepers, Keldeo is also going to want to avoid Toxic Spikes.

TL;DR: Those damage calcs and coverage are fearsome, but its lack of viable options translate to it being relatively easy to play around, at least in my theorymon.
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I mean just because it doesn't have a lot of options, it has all the tools it needs to be extremely successful. It can murder so much with one set its ridiculous and the fact that his attacks get boosted even higher in the rain makes this thing all the more scary. Shaymin-S ran one set when it was in OU, but that didn't make it any less threatening. (Not trying to say this thing is bad as Shaymin-S, just trying to make the point that one viable move set does not mean its bad.)

The more and more I look at this, the more menacing it seems; however, only time and play testing will we really know if its too much or not.
 
your comment about predictability is moot.
you can say that about most pokemon in OU.

starmie will run boltbeam+water + extra
terrakion will run physical rock and fighting moves
skarmory would run brave bird spikes and roost
nidoking will run earth powe,flamethrowe,thunderbolt,ice beam

as you can see, competitive movesets are limited for many many pokes, and predictability being a hindrance for keldeo is a stupid argument.

that being said, keldeo does have some flexibility as it can run different hidden powers, and also sport different items like specs, life orb. leftovers, lum, as well as having substitute or taunt.

if youre crazy, you can also go... physical.
 
Physical might even be viable if people complain too much about Keldeo's "predictable CM set," allowing it to get off 1 or 2 SDances!

Also, bluemon up there is right, people may switch things up to better fit it on to their teams.
You know how many times I've been looking for a 6th member of my team and thought "Hey a water/fighting type would be nice!" A couple.

In general, I don't really feel the b*****-ness
 
Wonder if Parasect would see more usage due to Keldeo, since all but HP Ice would do pitiful damage to it. Funny that Bug/Grass resists Water, Ground, and Fighting, but that's basically all it does. A SE STAB Giga Drain surely wouldn't feel good for the pony.
 
StallMandibuzz said:
Wonder if Parasect would see more usage due to Keldeo, since all but HP Ice would do pitiful damage to it. Funny that Bug/Grass resists Water, Ground, and Fighting, but that's basically all it does. A SE STAB Giga Drain surely wouldn't feel good for the pony.
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Parasect would/should be either running a SubSeed set or a Physical attacker set. Its Sp. Atk. isn't good enough that Giga Drain would be too helpful on it.
 
You get my point. Was just saying an SE STAB Grass attack from Parasect could really damage Keldeo. Forgot about Parasect's piss-poor Sp. Attack. >_>
 
I've always liked parasect, for whatever reason. It would be neat for it to have a bigger niche in OU. A reliable check to keldeo is going to be a very important role to fill.
 
@Lady Alex: True. And since Keldeo loves the rain, with Parasect's Dry Skin, it's like free Leftovers for the mushroom bug. I wonder if an HP Ice from the pony would be able to dent Parasect.
 
It's a split between HP Ghost and Ice for Keldeo. Ice would get rid of Parasect, Ghost would get rid of Jellicent. Virizion could possibly be taken down with Ice, although its' Sp. Def is excellent.
 
There's no need to run hp ice for virizion since it is already 2hko'd by both secret sword and hydro pump in the rain. I don't think hp ice is going to be a very popular choice for it, but we'll see.
 
why worry about hp ice and virizion when a +1 life orb secret sword OHKOes?

also, parasect isnt a great counter unless it has seed bomb. with x scizzor, it becomes a set up bait for sub+calm mind or once a poke gets spored

edit: FML WTF NINJAD AGAIN
 
Hm, so even Virizion is destroyed by Hydro Pump and Secret Sword? Man, this thing can destroy. Although it also depends on which pony goes first, I guess :P And I would just use Seed Bomb on Parasect instead of Giga Drain. Would also use my Spore on Keldeo first once it came out to incapacitate it, or attempt to.
 
StallMandibuzz said:
Hm, so even Virizion is destroyed by Hydro Pump and Secret Sword? Man, this thing can destroy. Although it also depends on which pony goes first, I guess :P
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why WOULDNT virizion be destroyed?

it has 91/72 physical defense which is very frail uninvested, and secret sword works against its frailer side.

virizion also doesnt resist secret sword. i dont even get why virizion was brought up.
 
Factoring in Dry Skin and everything +1 LO Neutral HP is a 3-4HKO on 252 HP / 252 SpD+ Parasect.

However Secret Sword is stronger and will be a 3HKO factoring Dry Skin + Lefties. All in all if Parasect gets an OU revamp when Keldeo releases, the optimal set will be revealed. I'm just curious if Parasect will actually regain a lot of popularity as I remember it being decently used when B/W first came out.(At least I think, my memory is foggy)

EDIT: It can run both X-scissor and Seed Bomb, just use Spore / Leech Seed / Dual STAB. Substitute will be missed for SubSeed trolling, but meh.
 
But seriously... if something like Garchomp deserves to be banned, I can't see Keldeo sticking around long...

I mean, we have the same bulk and speed as Terrakion, except it's on one of the best offensive and defensive typings possible, and essentially made into a mixed sweeper that can have 252 ATK, 252 Sp.ATK and 252 Speed simultaneously with a boosting move that +1ATK +1SpA +1SpD.

Of course Keldeo needs to be tested, but it's easy to guess what the outcome will be... :x

It sounds just as overwhelming if not moreso than Garchomp. (Garchomp and Keldeo having nothing in common except being almost perfectly designed bulky offensive pokemon)
 
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