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Dragon Claw should be slashed after Outrage on the physically based mixed set Jukain, and Hidden Power Fire should be slashed after Earth Power, for Ferrothorn and Mega Scizor.
Excadrill is an important target that you could otherwise get some damage off on. You lose out on offensive Lando-T, who can now stone edge you (although offensive are usually scarf anyway) Just to name a fewIs there any reason why the Physically based mixed set has Hasty nature over Lonely? Is it aimed at outspeeding specific things? You miss out on quite a bit of power foregoing Lonely, just want to know if there's any threats I'm missing that you'll outspeed with Hasty but not with Lonely, Thanks!
Aren't most Excadrill Adamant? And like you said offensive Lando-T is usually scarfed, anything else?Excadrill is an important target that you could otherwise get some damage off on. You lose out on offensive Lando-T, who can now stone edge you (although offensive are usually scarf anyway) Just to name a few
When this set was first proposed JOlly/Timid Mega Lucario was very popular, and as such some players thought they could check Kyurem with their unevolved Lucario, the amount of Earth Power kills I got on Lukes with Hasty Kyube was phenomenal so I was really insistent on +spe kyurem. Now that Lucario is dead it still gets past Jolly Excadrill (which is common enough), Neutral netural base 100s like Zard, Fast Gliscors, and some other stuff.Aren't most Excadrill Adamant? And like you said offensive Lando-T is usually scarfed, anything else?
I'd say 39% vs 27% is more than a slight margin, but thanks, those stats are helpful.To clear up the whole Jolly vs. Adamant on Excadrill thing:
| Adamant:4/252/0/0/0/252 19.079% |
| Jolly:4/252/0/0/0/252 18.444% |
| Adamant:252/252/0/0/4/0 16.311% |
| Jolly:0/252/0/0/4/252 4.691% |
| Adamant:0/252/0/0/4/252 4.183% |
| Jolly:0/252/4/0/0/252 3.916% |
From the usage stats.
Adamant is more common, but only by a slight margin, so it would be incorrect to say that Jolly excadrill is extremely rare or something like that.
Looking at what this set is supposed to do, I'd definitely advocate for the 2nd spread you mentioned down at the bottom. With the popularity mega gyarados has been gaining I think that outspeeding Mega Gyarados (and dnite in general) is more important. Outspeeding Jolly Bisharp is very good too, because if you look at the usage stats Jolly is actually catching up to adamant in popularity, and you can not safely assume all bisharps are adamant anymore. Bisharp is in general a huge threat that you shouldn't lose to if you don't have to, I think it's worth the risk with ninja.I would like the utility check set to be replaced with this:
Kyurem-Black @ Leftovers
EVs: 60 Spd / 252 Atk / 196 SDef
- Fusion Bolt
- Dragon Claw
- Ice Beam
I don't see the point of Dragon Tail, so many Speed EVs, and max HP investment. You mention that Dragon Tail helps against Pokemon such as Manaphy and DD Mega Gyarados, but max Atk+ Fusion Bolt is a way better solution for those, OHKOing both after SR damage. Dragon Claw is your strongest move, and is great against Pokemon such as Rotom-W, Greninja, Mega Charizard X, opposing Kyu-B (you counter Sub variants), (Mega) Tyranitar, Chansey, Conkeldurr, Gengar, Mamoswine, and Mega Manectric, all important targets. Dragon Tail is both pointless with so much Speed investment and not needed as Kyu-B can beat the things it checks with sheer power anyway.
So much Speed is not needed, as Excadrill beats you anyway with Iron Head if it's offensive and is outsped anyway if it's defensive. What other Pokemon do you want to outspeed really? There is Dragonite and Mega Gyarados, true, which means that going with 263 Speed is a fine option too (outspeeds Jolly Bisharp too), but i prefer the extra bulk, though i really don't mind, both are really good spreads and better than the one you have. Other than that, 60 Speed gives you everything you really need, by outspeeding and hitting for good damage a very relevant threat, Adamant Bisharp, as well as +Speed Aegislash.
As for SpD > HP investment, it's simple really. The majority of the Pokemon that Kyurem-B checks are specially based, and you get way more special bulk by investing in SpD. Here are some calcs:
- +3 252 SpA Life Orb Manaphy Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 196 SpD Kyurem-B: 237-279 (60.6 - 71.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
- +3 252 SpA Life Orb Manaphy Ice Beam vs. 196 HP / 0 SpD Kyurem-B: 290-342 (65.9 - 77.7%) -- 25% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
- 200+ SpA Teravolt Kyurem-B Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 196 SpD Kyurem-B: 132-156 (33.7 - 39.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
- 200+ SpA Teravolt Kyurem-B Ice Beam vs. 196 HP / 0 SpD Kyurem-B: 160-190 (36.3 - 43.1%) -- 32% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
If outspeeding Adamant Bisharp is not important, as you can't OHKO it and +2 Sucker Punch OHKOes after SR, you can go with max Atk+ / max SpD, so that you almost always survive two Ice Beams from Greninja after SR, survive way more often a Timid Fire Blast from Char Y after SR, and prolly a few more nifty things.
- 252 SpA Life Orb Protean Greninja Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 196 SpD Kyurem-B: 146-173 (37.3 - 44.2%) -- 52.3% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
- 252 SpA Life Orb Protean Greninja Ice Beam vs. 196 HP / 0 SpD Kyurem-B: 177-211 (40.2 - 47.9%) -- 98.8% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
Finally, as for the nature, Adamant > Hasty, because you want to preserve your Defense to check Mega Gyarados better:
Taking less damage from priority users such as Talonflame, Bisharp, and Mega Mawile on 1 on 1 scenarios is great as well. Ice Beam is good enough even with a -SpA nature, and it doesn't miss any important OHKO/2HKO as far as i am concerned.
- 252+ Atk Mold Breaker Mega Gyarados Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Kyurem-B: 136-161 (34.7 - 41.1%) -- 2.3% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
- 252+ Atk Mold Breaker Mega Gyarados Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Kyurem-B: 152-179 (38.8 - 45.7%) -- 84.4% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
tll;dr the new spread gives way more power and makes Kyurem-B not easy at all to wall without dedicated defensive cores, and still checks the Pokemon it needs to, in fact it checks them even better than the old spread.
Here are the possible spreads and their advantages:
60 Spd / 252 Atk / 196 SDef with Adamant: Outspeeds Adamant Bisharp and +Speed Aegislash while still checking most of the stuff it is supposed to well
148 Spd / 252 Atk / 108 SDef with Adamant: Outspeeds Mega Gyarados and Dragonite, but has a bigger chance to get 2HKOed by Greninja and loses some special bulk in general.
252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 SDef with Adamant: Almost always avoids the 2HKO from Greninja's Ice Beam, and handles some special attackers better
To add to this, you could also suggest going to 284 to outspeed Naughty Mega Garchomp.why is the sub set max speed?? jolly gyarados doesnt exist. just drop it down to 280 for luc (you could probably get away with even lower since that things sorta rare, say 276 for adamant drill outside of sand or if that thing doesnt scare you even 264 for jolly bisharp) since +spe mamoswine doesnt exist.