Pokémon Kyurem-Black

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Roost also sounds like a good alternative! One could roost before going to a coverage move or starting another Outrage spam. The 10% health lost on every Outrage is certainly a turn-off for LO, but I think the freedom to switch between its coverage moves or Dragon Claw is also a nice benefit.

The thing about Kyurem-B is that while every other Dragon NEEDS CB to break through with Outrage, Cube's Outrage can break through Hippo/Cune/Venu/Lando-T/etc. with just LO. Cube's coverage moves are also more intimidating thanks to its added power and base power-- Fusion Bolt is a much better attack than Dragonite's Fire Punch (or Thunder Punch), while Ground coverage like Chomp's EQ isn't as valuable with Pokemon like Jirachi and Metagross so rare.
 
I used Iron Head in some sets, and it destroyed a lot of fairies that tried to stay in this almighty.

If you just bluff a little the cube set, and eliminate the ones you cant 2hko, CB Outrage is so game breaking that its even unfair.
 
So the wallbreaker set comes down to this:

Kyurem-B @ Choice Band/Life Orb
252 Atk, 252* Spe, 4 Def/SpDef
Adamant
- Outrage
- Iron Head
- Fusion Bolt
- Dragon Claw/Sleep Talk/Roost

Outrage being the main move on the set, Iron Head being mandatory to remove fairies and Fusion Bolt mainly for Skarmory and Azumarill, with Dragon Claw being optional if you don't wanna be locked in (CB obviously still locks you in, but you'll be able to switch out at least) and Roost is mandatory for LO.

*: 236 Spe outspeeds positive base 80s, which seems like a nice thing to aim for, but this only frees up 16 EVs for added bulk which might be too insignificant to be worth losing speed ties with other neutral 95 base mons.
 
I've made some calcs with the LO mixed set, and I got nice results:

252+ Atk Life Orb Teravolt Kyurem-B Fusion Bolt vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Azumarill: 458-541 (113.3 - 133.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
(458, 463, 468, 476, 481, 486, 491, 497, 502, 507, 512, 517, 523, 528, 533, 541)
While the only attack azumarill can fire is Aqua jet, wich does only 10%

252+ Atk Life Orb Teravolt Kyurem-B Fusion Bolt vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Togekiss: 398-471 (106.4 - 125.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
(398, 403, 408, 413, 419, 421, 426, 432, 437, 442, 445, 450, 455, 460, 465, 471)
Togekiss have no way to fight back

252+ Atk Life Orb Teravolt Kyurem-B Iron Head vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Mega Gardevoir: 434-512 (156.1 - 184.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
(434, 439, 445, 450, 455, 460, 465, 471, 476, 481, 486, 491, 497, 502, 507, 512)
252+ Atk Life Orb Teravolt Kyurem-B Fusion Bolt vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Gardevoir: 270-318 (97.1 - 114.3%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO
(270, 273, 277, 279, 283, 286, 289, 292, 295, 299, 302, 305, 308, 312, 315, 318)
Mega gardevoir stands a problem for cube if its already evolved, this one relies in prediction, but if Gardevoir is in its normal state, theres no chance,

252+ Atk Life Orb Teravolt Kyurem-B Fusion Bolt vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mega Mawile: 157-186 (51.6 - 61.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
(157, 159, 161, 162, 165, 166, 169, 170, 172, 174, 175, 178, 179, 182, 183, 186)
0- SpA Life Orb Teravolt Kyurem-B Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Mega Mawile: 185-218 (60.8 - 71.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
(185, 187, 190, 190, 192, 195, 198, 200, 203, 203, 205, 208, 211, 213, 216, 218)
The set have problems with Mega Mawile, altough it can seriously harm it

252+ Atk Life Orb Teravolt Kyurem-B Outrage vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Conkeldurr: 356-421 (85.9 - 101.6%) -- 50% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
(356, 360, 364, 370, 374, 378, 382, 386, 390, 395, 399, 403, 407, 411, 415, 421)
Needing SR support, but you can use CB if you really fear conkeldurr

252+ Atk Life Orb Teravolt Kyurem-B Fusion Bolt vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Scizor: 191-225 (55.5 - 65.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
(191, 192, 195, 198, 199, 201, 204, 207, 208, 211, 213, 216, 217, 220, 222, 225)
252+ Atk Life Orb Teravolt Kyurem-B Outrage vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Scizor: 170-201 (49.4 - 58.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
(170, 173, 175, 177, 179, 181, 183, 185, 187, 188, 191, 192, 195, 196, 199, 201)
Cannot switch into cube, as not even CB Bullet punch ohkoes

0- SpA Life Orb Teravolt Kyurem-B Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Rotom-W: 166-198 (54.6 - 65.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
(166, 169, 172, 172, 174, 177, 179, 179, 182, 185, 187, 187, 190, 192, 195, 198)
As most rotom-w uses Defense EVs... Just need to watch for WoW, passable if you have a nice cleric, probably your opponent will sacrifice Rotom to leave a burn in Cube.

252+ Atk Choice Band Teravolt Kyurem-B Outrage vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Rotom-W: 271-319 (89.1 - 104.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
(271, 274, 277, 280, 283, 286, 289, 292, 297, 300, 303, 306, 309, 312, 315, 319)
Or if you use Choice Band, wich is my prefered item, because most times it will be switching after an attack anyways

Kyurem-B @ Choice Band/Life Orb
252 Atk, 252 in Speed, HP or some Satk, in your preference
Adamant
- Outrage
- Iron Head
- Fusion Bolt
- Earth Power
 
Why is this monster UU teir it's stats are so berserk that i built a team around him. I play an Agieslash because he covers all 5 of his weakness's but i usually use B kyurem as my mid to end game sweeper because i waste a lot of my opponents resorces that can handle kyurem then wish switch with my sylveon. i'll be sure to post my team on team rater later. But if he's UU but white kyurem is Uber when they're stats are the same except that sp atk and atk base stats are swapped.
 

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Why is this monster UU teir it's stats are so berserk that i built a team around him. I play an Agieslash because he covers all 5 of his weakness's but i usually use B kyurem as my mid to end game sweeper because i waste a lot of my opponents resorces that can handle kyurem then wish switch with my sylveon. i'll be sure to post my team on team rater later
It's actually OU now, where it belongs.
 

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Perseu that's why I said, there are no fairies Cube can't one-shot with its physical set (except Mawile).

Also, AV Conk (the only Conk) tends to run Max Special Defense, not HP-- in which case LO Outrage does OHKO.

252+ Atk Life Orb Teravolt Kyurem-B Outrage vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Conkeldurr: 356-421 (101.1 - 119.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
 

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From my experience, Ice Beam should be on every single Kyurem-B set, offensive or defensive, physical, special, or mixed. Landorus-T, Mega Venusaur, and Hippowdon are all OHKO / 2HKOed by it even with a -SpA nature, and those Pokemon are everywhere on defensive cores, and being unable to get past them in unacceptable.

A nice Kyu-B set i have been trying out lately is this:

Kyurem-Black @ Leftovers
Ability: Teravolt
EVs: 148 Spd / 252 Atk / 108 SDef
Adamant Nature
- Fusion Bolt
- Ice Beam
- Dragon Claw
- Roost

Enough Speed to outrun Adamant Mega Gyarados and Dragonite, max Atk for Fusion Bolt and Dragon Claw to do some work, Roost for longevity, and the rest of the EVs go to SpD because most of the stuff that Kyu-B checks are special attackers. This set is a mix of a wallbreaker and utility check to some popular and threatening Pokemon, such as TG Manaphy, BD Azumarill, DD Mega Gyarados, Thundurus, Mega Manectric, Raikou, Sub Kyu-B, and Zapdos. This set trades the safety of Sub and coverage of Earth Power for the ability to OHKO Manaphy and Mega Gyarados after SR with Fusion Bolt, which is very important as they could otherwise 2HKO back, as well as the longevity granted by Roost, which allows Kyurem-B to switch into more stuff and somewhat mitigate its SR weakness. Good teammates are those that can cripple or weaken the stuff it can't beat, such as Clefable, Sylveon, Chansey, and Ferrothorn. Choice Specs Gengar can lure and cripple Chansey with Trick, allowing Kyurem-B to 2HKO it with Dragon Claw, as well as dealing with most Fairy-types that threaten Kyurem-B. It can also come in against Fighting attacks aimed at Kyurem-B, such as Landorus's Focus Blast / Earth Power and Keldeo's Sacred Sword, so that's an added bonus. In general, Gengar + Kyurem-B has been a nice core, able to get past almost any defensive teams while still having many defensive perks, with Kyu-B's great bulk, key resistances, and reliable recovery, and Gengar's nifty immunities which can give it free switches against both offensive and defensive Pokemon.
 
The best wallbreaker IMO. Only really needs stealth rock support, and doesn't take up a mega slot. It can run a nice variety of sets to to break the bulky pokemon you need gone.
 
Sorry for the necrobump, but with stall becoming a more relevant playstyle the premier OU wallbreaker needs more discussion.
Mega Sableye in particular is a major threat and Kyurem-B possesses an often overlooked tool that lets it get past it: Teravolt + Toxic.
Since Kyu-B has issues with common clerics such as Clefable and Chansey I wonder what kind of set could fit Toxic more. A physically-based LO set with Ice Beam to take care of pesky Gliscor and Landorus-T seems the most logical choice if you need Kyu-B as a wallbreaker, though the standard Substitute set is also an option (you could forego Fusion Bolt and go fully special since Ice Beam + Earth Power is still great coverage, and that way you don't need to split EVs between offenses).
Either way, as long as Mega Sableye is around Toxic is definitely a viable and effective move Kyu-B can use and deserves more attention.
 
Sorry for the necrobump, but with stall becoming a more relevant playstyle the premier OU wallbreaker needs more discussion.
Mega Sableye in particular is a major threat and Kyurem-B possesses an often overlooked tool that lets it get past it: Teravolt + Toxic.
Since Kyu-B has issues with common clerics such as Clefable and Chansey I wonder what kind of set could fit Toxic more. A physically-based LO set with Ice Beam to take care of pesky Gliscor and Landorus-T seems the most logical choice if you need Kyu-B as a wallbreaker, though the standard Substitute set is also an option (you could forego Fusion Bolt and go fully special since Ice Beam + Earth Power is still great coverage, and that way you don't need to split EVs between offenses).
Either way, as long as Mega Sableye is around Toxic is definitely a viable and effective move Kyu-B can use and deserves more attention.
Why wouldn't Cube just 2HKO MSableye instead of bothering with Toxic though?

Specially based:
252+ SpA Life Orb Teravolt Kyurem-B Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Mega Sableye: 175-208 (57.5 - 68.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

Physically based:252+ Atk Life Orb Teravolt Kyurem-B Dragon Claw vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Mega Sableye: 142-168 (46.7 - 55.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

Physically based when burned:
56 SpA Life Orb Teravolt Kyurem-B Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Mega Sableye: 138-164 (45.3 - 53.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
 
Yeah it would be quite a waste to run toxic on kyurem-b while every other attack on both side it like a truck; i mean it already suffer for the 4MSS let's not make it worse
 
I think ScarfKyu-B is amazing personally, checking all Lando-T, Birdspam and a variety of other important pokes. Can't calc as I'm on my phone, but that power is amazing, and outspeeding everything unscarfed is scary with the power it has. I run Outrage for STAB 120 power from 170 attack, allowing it to nuke almost all offense pokes in the meta that doesn't resist.

M.Swampert's arrival, as well as MegaBro's to a lesser extent, have hurt it but it's still amazing. It should be noted it is an amazing sticky web abuser too.
 
I think ScarfKyu-B is amazing personally, checking all Lando-T, Birdspam and a variety of other important pokes. Can't calc as I'm on my phone, but that power is amazing, and outspeeding everything unscarfed is scary with the power it has. I run Outrage for STAB 120 power from 170 attack, allowing it to nuke almost all offense pokes in the meta that doesn't resist.

M.Swampert's arrival, as well as MegaBro's to a lesser extent, have hurt it but it's still amazing. It should be noted it is an amazing sticky web abuser too.
... what... does Mega Swampert have to do with Kyurem-B...?
 
I meant it outspeeds ScarfKyu, making scarf variants a little worse in ORAS meta.
I'm pretty sure just about every rain sweeper outspeeds Kyurem-B in Rain even with Scarf. On top of that, most of them carry a Fighting move to deal with Ferrothorn, and Kabutops and Kingdra both carry STABs that destroy Kyurem-B. I really don't think Mega Swampert has hurt Kyurem-B's potential because in reality just about every rain sweeper but Omastar can outspeed and destroy Kyurem-B. Mega Swampert might have re-hyped rain teams, but Kyurem-B having a bad matchup against rain sweepers isn't new.
 
There are very few scarf users that can out speed Swift Swimmers and Sand Rush users, though that's sort of a moot point. The fact that Scarf KyuB is always faster than scarf Landorus-T is very nice.
 
I really don't think Mega Swampert has hurt Kyurem-B's potential because in reality just about every rain sweeper but Omastar can outspeed and destroy Kyurem-B.
The Specs Omastar Rain set can outspeed 2HKO Scarf Kyub with Hydro Pump while only Fusion Bolt has a chance to OHKO - and even then only a 12.5% chance. So there you go.
 

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Assuming I did the math right, a +Speed Nature Scarf set actually outspeeds Adamant Mega Swampert that didn't fully invest (which iirc is standard). Doesn't matter anyway since Ice Beam barely has a chance to 2HKO after Rocks.
 
Assuming I did the math right, a +Speed Nature Scarf set actually outspeeds Adamant Mega Swampert that didn't fully invest (which iirc is standard). Doesn't matter anyway since Ice Beam barely has a chance to 2HKO after Rocks.
+1 224 Kyurem-B = 423 Speed
+2 152 Mega Swampert = 428 Speed

Those are the sets on the calc anyway. Maybe there's been different sets since then but yeah :U
 

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+1 224 Kyurem-B = 423 Speed
+2 152 Mega Swampert = 428 Speed

Those are the sets on the calc anyway. Maybe there's been different sets since then but yeah :U
I was assuming max for Kyurem-B, but like I said it doesn't matter since you can't revenge it. Okay, techincally you can 2HKO before Swampert does, but you'll have shown them you're Scarf and they'll just switch to Politoed (Ice Beam) or Ferrothorn (Outrage). Or something.
 
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+1 224 Kyurem-B = 423 Speed
+2 152 Mega Swampert = 428 Speed

Those are the sets on the calc anyway. Maybe there's been different sets since then but yeah :U
Shouldn't Cube run a positive nature and 224 speed to always outspeed scarf Landorus-T? Seems rather important considering Landorus-T is on almost every team.
 
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Shouldn't Cube run a positive nature and 224 speed to always outspeed scarf Landorus-T? Seems rather important considering Landorus-T is on almost every team.
how the fuck did you triple post
anyway I was just going off the general sets in the calculator but that makes sense; though m-pert probably also runs more speed than that these days.
 
how the fuck did you triple post
anyway I was just going off the general sets in the calculator but that makes sense; though m-pert probably also runs more speed than that these days.
My phone was having some trouble, said it didn't even post at all.

Also M-Pert needs 248 speed to outspeed max+ ScarfCube in rain.
 
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