Pokémon Landorus-Therian

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What type of pokemon do you guys think pair well with this guy as a voltturn core?

I guess rotom-w since he can take ice hits? Magnezone I guess pairs decently well too since ferrothorns and skarmorys simply love to switch into this guy. M-manectric for double intimidate?
 
Considering that Landorus-T has reasonable SpA, I don't see any reason to not use Landorus-I instead who has even Sheer Force. At most I can see a lure set with something like Hidden Power Ice (against Lati@s?), but I haven't even tried anything like that at all nor do I believe that it will do anything to those 'mons with only 60 base power now.
 
mertyville said:
Considering that Landorus-T has reasonable SpA, I don't see any reason to not use Landorus-I instead who has even Sheer Force. At most I can see a lure set with something like Hidden Power Ice (against Lati@s?), but I haven't even tried anything like that at all nor do I believe that it will do anything to those 'mons with only 60 base power now.
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Yeah, Hidden Power Ice won't do much to Lati@s. If you really want to hit them, go with Knock Off, that also removes their item, or U-turn, that gives you momentum. HP Ice hits opposing Landorus and Landorus-T hard(2HKOs both), but they also hate losing their item to Knock Off, so I don't think HP Ice is a good move on Landorus-T.
 
Berry Juice said:
Yeah, Hidden Power Ice won't do much to Lati@s. If you really want to hit them, go with Knock Off, that also removes their item, or U-turn, that gives you momentum. HP Ice hits opposing Landorus and Landorus-T hard(2HKOs both), but they also hate losing their item to Knock Off, so I don't think HP Ice is a good move on Landorus-T.
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If you really want to use a hidden power on Landorus-T, it isnt a bad idea to use HP Flying to hit stuff like Mega Heracross and the rare Chesnaught. Kinda gimmicky, but it isnt terrible.
 
OK, this may seem a little silly, but bear with me...

With the insane popularity of Scarf Lando-T these days, I've actually taken to only using 248 Speed EVs on my own Scarfdog. Why? Because it still outspeeds everything I need it to outspeed, but inevitably, I'm going to end up in a Lando-T versus Lando-T matchup where both of us U-turn out. In those instances, it's actually to my advantage to be slower, because now I get some chip damage off of your switch-in and can plan my own switch accordingly.

Does that make sense, or have I just been way overthinking things?
 
You're not the only one. I have always ran 4 speed below the most common scarf set (unless it's optimized for specific threats) for this exact reason. "Outslowing" scarf landos is a godsend because it allows you to bring something in for a favorable match up. It also works exceptionally as if you end up in a lando v. Lando situation turn 1 it allows you to see whether its a scarfed lando or your typical bulky Lando and switch in the appropriate check.

TLDR don't run max speed on Lando T, my best advice is put enough speed to outspeed specific staples and move the EVs elsewhere.
 
Landorus is used WAY TOO MUCH this gen. I've been battling on pokemon showdown a lot lately and it is on 3/4 teams these days........ I am so tired of this pokemon!
 
RoyalDispenser said:
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What type of pokemon do you guys think pair well with this guy as a voltturn core?

I guess rotom-w since he can take ice hits? Magnezone I guess pairs decently well too since ferrothorns and skarmorys simply love to switch into this guy. M-manectric for double intimidate?
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I plan on pairing it with mega diancie and rotom-W. haven't fully decided on the last three yet though.

what all does the scarf set let you outspeed and KO? or what's the most commmon I mean :3
 
RoyalDispenser said:
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What type of pokemon do you guys think pair well with this guy as a voltturn core?

I guess rotom-w since he can take ice hits? Magnezone I guess pairs decently well too since ferrothorns and skarmorys simply love to switch into this guy. M-manectric for double intimidate?
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Banded Scizor Maybe?
 
Overpowered togekiss said:
Landorus is used WAY TOO MUCH this gen. I've been battling on pokemon showdown a lot lately and it is on 3/4 teams these days........ I am so tired of this pokemon!
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Haha I get your complaint! It's true that lando-t is everywhere though, but I think that's because it is a really good pokemon this generation. It helps maintain an offensive momentum (via u-turn) and is sturdy enough to take 'most' physical hits (coupled with intimidate to further boost its physical bulk) and dishes out pretty hard-hitting moves as well; even with 0 investment, it has 326 attack which can rival that of fully invested base 100s and I think that's really useful altho it can be a little underwhelming, but often enough to kill those that are weak against it. Not to mention it is immune to spikes and toxic spikes so that really makes it harder to wear down.

And don't even get me started on its movepool. It may be predictable but hey it works excellently as a support pokemon. I never quite believe in it as a sweeper though cos eq can be avoided easily and stone edge is c'mon, its accuracy sucks balls. And it's really easy to fit it in a team! Works so well with water types especially. It is definitely a very solid pokemon! :)
 
I have a question: Why is Jolly used over Adamant on a Scarf set?

I don't find any relevant pokemon(and by that a reason) that Lando-T should need to outspeed in exchange for the drop of power.
 
Roxachronic said:
I have a question: Why is Jolly used over Adamant on a Scarf set?

I don't find any relevant pokemon(and by that a reason) that Lando-T should need to outspeed in exchange for the drop of power.
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Adamant Zard-X (at +1), Mega Beedrill, Mega Sceptile, Jolly Scarf Excadrill, Jolly Mega Altaria (at +1) and Jolly Mega Gyarados (at +1)
 
Roxachronic said:
I have a question: Why is Jolly used over Adamant on a Scarf set?

I don't find any relevant pokemon(and by that a reason) that Lando-T should need to outspeed in exchange for the drop of power.
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I suppose it's because Jolly Scarf Lando-T manages to outspeed things like +1 Adamant CharX, +1 Jolly MegaDos (and Scarf base 80s in general), Scarf Excadrill (not the best example, but it used to be a thing), Jolly Mega Lopunny, Mega-Manectric and Timid Mega Sceptile, among others. While Adamant is marginally more powerful (I suppose it's more relevant when RK'ing MegaGross, as Jolly EQ never KOes when at full health), the ability to outspeed all these dangerous threats more than makes up for the loss of power.

EDIT: Greninja'd.
 
Gladio said:
I suppose it's because Jolly Scarf Lando-T manages to outspeed things like +1 Adamant CharX, +1 Jolly MegaDos (and Scarf base 80s in general), Scarf Excadrill (not the best example, but it used to be a thing), Jolly Mega Lopunny, Mega-Manectric and Timid Mega Sceptile, among others. While Adamant is marginally more powerful (I suppose it's more relevant when RK'ing MegaGross, as Jolly EQ never KOes when at full health), the ability to outspeed all these dangerous threats more than makes up for the loss of power.

EDIT: Greninja'd.
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Mega Manectric and Mega Lopunny are also outsped by Adamant so that is irrelevant.
Landorus-T running 232 speed (enough for zard-x) is also outsped by Timid Scarftran and Jolly Scarf Diggersby if it is running adamant, but if it is running 252 speed adamant Lando outspeeds them
 
Gladio said:
I suppose it's because Jolly Scarf Lando-T manages to outspeed things like +1 Adamant CharX, +1 Jolly MegaDos (and Scarf base 80s in general), Scarf Excadrill (not the best example, but it used to be a thing), Jolly Mega Lopunny, Mega-Manectric and Timid Mega Sceptile, among others. While Adamant is marginally more powerful (I suppose it's more relevant when RK'ing MegaGross, as Jolly EQ never KOes when at full health), the ability to outspeed all these dangerous threats more than makes up for the loss of power.

EDIT: Greninja'd.
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I am surprised that you pointed out the reason of my post,lol.

Basically the reason is to be able kill M-Metagross since it is difficult to one shot him.

The most important ones seem to be +1 Char X, +1 Megados and M-Lopunny.

Char X usually runs Jolly now because of that or double dance set, so running Jolly could be pointless against one.

That leaves with M-Dos and M-Lopunny

Scarf Excadrill cannot kill you consistently anyways at -1 so is not an issue, M-Manectric is not that great anywmore with so many megas,M-Sceptile can be dealt with other things.

I am bringing this up since there are times that you need the extra power of an Adamant nature, particularly against M-Metagross and Clefable who is 2HKOed with SR ups more than half of the times.

252+ Atk Landorus-T Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Clefable: 171-202 (43.4 - 51.2%) -- 62.9% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

EDIT: I also allows you to always 2HKO defensive M-Altaria(taking into account that it has not M-evolved in the first hit obviously) on incoming with Stone Edge, and have 67.6% to 2HKO with Earthquake if it has M-evolved.

252+ Atk Landorus-T Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 136+ Def Altaria: 144-171 (40.6 - 48.3%) -- 67.6% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
 
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Overpowered togekiss said:
Landorus is used WAY TOO MUCH this gen. I've been battling on pokemon showdown a lot lately and it is on 3/4 teams these days........ I am so tired of this pokemon!
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Not only OU but VGC as well... It seems like every game I play and every game I watch on youtube there is a Landorus. Boooooring
 
When you have a good Pokemon, you're going to use it.
On that note, This thread isn't here to talk about whether you're annoyed by how common it is.

Anyways, Jolly LandorusT should still be ran over Adamant for the reasons above, it's also nice being able to drop mSceptile to about ~18% with a single UTurn.
 
I have been using Rocky Helmet and Toxic on my defensive Landorus-Therian, and it has been working out nicely for me. Rocky Helmet+its Ground typing allows it to stop VoltTurn, unless they want their U-Turnner to get constant damage each time they use U-Turn, and Toxic is to lure out usual Landorus counters, like Chesnaught, Rotom-W and other Landorus.
 
Froggyboy said:
I have been using Rocky Helmet and Toxic on my defensive Landorus-Therian, and it has been working out nicely for me. Rocky Helmet+its Ground typing allows it to stop VoltTurn, unless they want their U-Turnner to get constant damage each time they use U-Turn, and Toxic is to lure out usual Landorus counters, like Chesnaught, Rotom-W and other Landorus.
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Toxic is fine for Rotom-W, Slowbro, and other Landos, but you REALLY want Lefties since you don't have any Recovery.
 
I actually feel that Superpower and Explosion should be mentioned, even though the aren't too common. I usually run Explosion on the more bulky set paired with Toxic and SR, and Superpower w/ scarf.
Just a thought.

Also, Intimidate is rather hindering to Landorus-Therian since Bisharp is a thing. That's why I usually run Superpower to get that +1 mofo most likely w/ LO or BG out.
 
Sparkl3y said:
I actually feel that Superpower and Explosion should be mentioned, even though the aren't too common. I usually run Explosion on the more bulky set paired with Toxic and SR, and Superpower w/ scarf.
Just a thought.

Also, Intimidate is rather hindering to Landorus-Therian since Bisharp is a thing. That's why I usually run Superpower to get that +1 mofo most likely w/ LO or BG out.
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Superpower... just for bisharp?

Did you forget lando has a STAB earthquake?
 
Nah, I didn't forget that. It's not just for Bisharp either. It's for other things in general. I'm not saying its mandatory, just thinking it should be mentioned. :]
 
Superpower is useful for other things like Mega Gyarados, Ferrothorn and Air Balloon users. I think if one of your other pokemon is already running Knock Off, Superpower can be used over Knock Off on Scarf Lando-T. If not I'd probably keep Knock Off

Also locking yourself into Earthquake is not always the best since so many things are immune to ground.
 
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