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Heysup said:
If you use Magnemite as Chinchou yes, Chinchou does it better. Otherwise, Magnemite is a much different Pokemon. First of all, it can endlessly switch into Spritzee something which both Chinchou and Pawniard cannot do (btw Pawniard is usually 2HKOed with hazards or non Eviolite). Second, I would go out on a limb and say it's likely the best check in the metagame. It's the only thing that checks Carvanha and Tirtouga through TWO flinches (assuming Tirtouga's Sturdy was broken by something else). It can dent all of its switch ins (does ~40 to Restalk Chinchou) and if they aren't immune to Volt Switch, they get bounced off, meaning Magnemite isn't only a good check but it's an amazing pivot. The only thing holding Magnemite back is the fact that Stealth Rock breaks Sturdy, but that's something that good players know happens and can easily play around it. Did you know you can switch Magnemite into Misdreavus Shadow Ball and restore yourself to full HP with Berry Juice? Well you do know. Should stay A forsure.
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Magnemite is absolutely very different than Chinchou, and the best switch in to Spritzee, but then again that's not a huge niche considering that most Spritzee run only one attacking move.

But I have to ask what ungodly set you're running on Magnemite if you have one that checks both Magnemite and offensive Tirtouga (which is the one you'd need a check for). If any hazards are up, it can't check either reliably on its standard Berry Juice set or even the scarf set.

196+ Atk Life Orb Carvanha Waterfall vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Magnemite: 17-21 (89.4 - 110.5%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

+2 212 Atk Tirtouga Waterfall vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Magnemite: 22-27 (115.7 - 142.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

To check them, it has to be switching in on them, so Jolly Tirtouga outspeeds as +2, and at +1 Carvanha also outspeeds and OHKOs more often than not. While Magnemite does OHKO both with either Volt Switch or Thunderbolt, it still can't take the hit.

The Misdreavus point is a bizarre one as well, since I have no idea what you'd accomplish with that. While you do activate Berry Juice, Misdreavus still outspeeds and 2HKOs, while Magnemite can't OHKO. You're either forced to try and recycle stall or be forced out, having no berry juice and sturdy still being broken by rocks next time you switch in. No benefit is gained whatsoever.

I'm not opposed to Magnemite staying in A, but it does require team support to remove rocks/spikes, which is a point against it considering its lack of recovery outside of berry juice and low speed without a scarf.
 
requiring one good move as team support to get rid of hazards in a hazard filled metagame should not be counted against a pokemon's standing in a tier. its not masive teamsupport and EVERY pokemon needs some kind of support otherwise it will lose to something.
 
You need to think out of the box if you think Magnemite can't utilize Sturdy Juice without a SR remover. It's not an easy Pokemon to use but any good player using Magnemite knows you can do things like send out a weakened Fletchling vs a low HP Tirtouga or any Carvanha and then switch Magnemite into Aqua Jet or with Misdreavus you can easily bait a Crunch (with Slowpoke etc you can bait a Stone Edge from Tirtouga too). You can also continually switch it into things like Misdreavus Dazzling Gleam and take it do about 53% (which it usually is after 2 iirc) which means the next switch-in is going to be at full. However, generally if you see a Turtle/Vanha you're going to pay a lot of attention to keeping SR off the field at the point where they want to sweep.

Misdreavus still beats it 1v1, sure, but it's now put in a more doable revenge kill range for Pokemon such as Fletchling or Elekid or various Scarfers. Its always a difference maker.

Also prem there's a difference between needing to constantly counter something with SR (ie. Ponyta Vullaby) or removing it for a few turns for a specific purpose (ie. for SturdyJuice or Sash).

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yeah i know. but im just mostly pointing out everyone going OMG IT NEEDS DEFOG SUPPORT THEREFORE IT CANT BE A needs to stop. cause im seeing a lot of that lol
 
So i have one entire page of things i think should change so i won't do one page long explanations

Fletchling for A -> S rank
fletchling is broken do i need to argue

Magnemite for A -> B rank
it's "ok" but clearly not A rank material, especially with chinchou running around, knock off everywhere, fighters etc, etc. oh and rocks too lol

Diglett for B -> A rank
defensive team ? dig traps trubbish and you can knock off
offensive team ? dig traps chinchou, now put fletchling and use a pneumatic drill on acrobatics button

Onix for B -> A rank
onix is great. imo it's better than dwebble. huge speed, access to 17 speed taunt, sturdy juice, and thus sturdy phazing. let's mention it tanks pawniard and ohko it with eq :
236+ Atk Pawniard Iron Head vs. 76 HP / 0 Def Onix: 14-20 (66.6 - 95.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
well. it's great. nothing more to say.

Clamperl for D -> S rank
seriously what the fuck is up with ppl who put clamperl D rank, it ohkoes absolutely everyone after a shell smash, ohkoes a great part of the meta with simply deepseatooth, it has 34 satk and 13 spd when timid (clean 17 speed scarfs outspeed), thus having the highest bst in the whole tier as its defensive stats are great at well (35/85/55) or at least, great for someone who can ohko 80% of the meta without a single boost. it also has rattled, which is saying that if the opponent if out of priorities (it isn't even true since clamp can sub ... and it has shitloads of def anyway), after a single u-turn or shadow ball, clamperl gets 19 speed and 34 satk.
oh, and this is all considering clamperl has been getting 0 team support. obviously anybody who've been knocked off will get OHKOed by clamperl even if it's chinchou, misdreavus, etc... and if dedicated pokemon gives him free turn by mementoing then it's win bc 68 satk 26 spd trololo, if someone gives him tailwind the opponent gets rampaged, etc, etc.
there's not a single doubt clamperl's worth B rank or more, after that, A rank is worthy discussing
i like how everybody's chilling with intricate strategies of crippling sweepers counters and shit, when clamperl can simply come in u-turn and finish the game in 6 clicks.
fight maomiraen once then let's discuss clamperl viability =')

Aipom for E -> C rank
i know aipom's the scapegoat of lc viability discussion but let's get real. aipom isn't THAT terrible. it has 19 speed, access to knock off, u-turn, thunder wave, while having good defensive stats (55/55/55) for a fast sweeper. return/knock off/u-turn/twave is a nice set. if people stopped taking fake out, double slap and other bs like that on aipom then maybe it would be popular. (actually fake out is "ok" for stopping sweepers) It's not bc bad players plays a pokemon that this pokemon is bad.
tl;dr : aipom's bst is 360. it has excellent typing, good offensive power, bulkyness, access to knock off, u-turn. doesn't deserve E rank.

Riolu for C -> B rank
but i'm tired i will defend my thoughts later
 
Just as a thought, especially since the quality of this thread has been trying to rise with people like heysup posting, i would actually try pokemon out in the metagame. I'm not going to call people out, but many pokemon suggestions and people defendinng certain pokemon seem to be basing their entire defense/attack on theorymonning. For example, its all well to say that a certain pony is A tier material, but solely basing it off of its stats and calcs that honestly prove nothing is a poor argument. Pokemon such as Magnemite and Ponyta struggle to find a spot in teams nowadays for legitimate reasons.

Magnemite requires support to be an effective revenge killer, and yes prem being weak(not even in mags case) to rocks shouldnt delegate it to a lower rank. Defog/spin is minimal support. However Mag also struggles as an effective revenge killer. The prescence of Chinchou really makes eviolite pivot sets inferior, forcing berry juice. This leaves magnemites set literally 100% predictable. It WILL run Volt / Tbolt / Flash / and either hp ground or grass. This makes it easily played around, as steel isnt all that great of an attacking type, as neutral damage most of the time sucks. Electric moves aren the best either as drilbur and diglett are very real, as is chinchou. This leaves a weak hp. Mag fails to revenge kill effectively, barely 2hkoing bulky scraggy iirc, not ohkoing pawn, and not getting ohkoes that it should. Chinchou can afford to not ohko everuthing because scald really punishes physical attackers, it actually has bulk, etc etc. mag has a niche as another fletch counter, and can beat diglett with magnet rise (needs to come in on after a kill), although it still loses to overheat fletch.

As i previously stated, Ponyta forces teammates that make its role as a physical ward/wall redundant. Drilbur / archen / vullaby are almost always physically defensive. Not to mention that it is also chin weak. Its stats may be good. On paper. It just doesnt suit this meta, but its also not a bad pokemon.

Artemis Fowl you legitimately make me cry. Having a pokemon that requires pretty intricate support (memento / tailwind) and expecting it to be A tier, if not S tier? Literally any decent pokemon can do the same thing. Your argument is that with the right support it can 6-0 teams. Clamperl is not B A or S tier level at all. Please, actually have an argument for it and not simply say "play X person and you will see why it is A tier." A pokemons viability IS NOT BASED on another persons skill. A pokemons viability should be based off of whether someone knew to the tier can get a quick grasp with pokemon that are top of its meta.
 
After taking a good look, I didn't see Bergmite in the Viability Thread. I would like to nominate Bergmite for D rank. It has a decent niche as a Rapid Spin user and can take some physical attacks and heal up after, thanks to Recover, but requires a lot of support to use, such as Pokemon to take special attacks and onslaughts from Pokemon that hit Bergmite super effectively.

I would like to hear from other member's opinions on Bergmite though.
 
TheManlyLadybug said:
After taking a good look, I didn't see Bergmite in the Viability Thread. I would like to nominate Bergmite for D rank. It has a decent niche as a Rapid Spin user and can take some physical attacks and heal up after, thanks to Recover, but requires a lot of support to use, such as Pokemon to take special attacks and onslaughts from Pokemon that hit Bergmite super effectively.

I would like to hear from other member's opinions on Bergmite though.
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Bergmite has a terrible defensive typing, very little offensive pressure, loses to most SR setters and to top it all off it's weak to SR itself and doesn't have anything to negate damage from spikes making it a very subpar spinner with no real niche except for having access to sturdyjuice but it seems silly to have your sturdyjuice mon taking out the hazards and breaking their own sturdy. It's also very slow and not that bulky. I don't see any real reason to use Bergmite over the other spinners/defogers so in my opinion it shouldn't be ranked.
 
TCR said:
Magnemite requires support to be an effective revenge killer, and yes prem being weak(not even in mags case) to rocks shouldnt delegate it to a lower rank. Defog/spin is minimal support. However Mag also struggles as an effective revenge killer. The prescence of Chinchou really makes eviolite pivot sets inferior, forcing berry juice. This leaves magnemites set literally 100% predictable. It WILL run Volt / Tbolt / Flash / and either hp ground or grass. This makes it easily played around, as steel isnt all that great of an attacking type, as neutral damage most of the time sucks. Electric moves aren the best either as drilbur and diglett are very real, as is chinchou. This leaves a weak hp. Mag fails to revenge kill effectively, barely 2hkoing bulky scraggy iirc, not ohkoing pawn, and not getting ohkoes that it should. Chinchou can afford to not ohko everuthing because scald really punishes physical attackers, it actually has bulk, etc etc. mag has a niche as another fletch counter, and can beat diglett with magnet rise (needs to come in on after a kill), although it still loses to overheat fletch.
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Though I generally agree with your post, I think you are grossly understating (ie not mentioning it at all) the power of a 20 SpA powered STAB Volt Switch. As I said, Magnemite is one of the best pivots in the game, you can play around Overheat Fletchling and Stealth Rocks and endlessly switch into Spritzee (a niche which many Pokemon do but not as reliably). It has the capabilities of nailing its switch ins like Drilbur with Flash Cannon being a 2HKO and anything that isn't immune to Volt Switch gets dented (20 SpA, STAB) and then momentum is given. It even 3HKOes Eviolite chinchou with Hidden Power.

It would be a shame to call this thing B.
 
Heysup said:
Though I generally agree with your post, I think you are grossly understating (ie not mentioning it at all) the power of a 20 SpA powered STAB Volt Switch. As I said, Magnemite is one of the best pivots in the game, you can play around Overheat Fletchling and Stealth Rocks and endlessly switch into Spritzee (a niche which many Pokemon do but not as reliably). It has the capabilities of nailing its switch ins like Drilbur with Flash Cannon being a 2HKO and anything that isn't immune to Volt Switch gets dented (20 SpA, STAB) and then momentum is given. It even 3HKOes Eviolite chinchou with Hidden Power.

It would be a shame to call this thing B.
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I think it should be B because you have to seriously outplay your opponent in order to make the absolute most of your magnemite. 20 SpA is nice and all, but it fails to revenge kill. I think it is an unreliable pivot as well, because a pivot implies switching in on moves, which Magnemite cannot afford to do, like other pokemon that act similarly such as Mienfoo or Chinchou (probably not the best examples but w/e). Maybe I play it differently than you do, but I have always used berry mag as a revenge killer in every generation, be it swirl/gar, tangma, or krow/tite. The rise of pokemon such as Scraggy or Pawniard make it not as viable as it should be. I will agree to disagree, as obviously we play this mon differently *-*
 
Archen: B-rank ---> A-rank

Archen is great in this meta. It never hurts to have another Fletch switch-in on your team, and it's one of the few switch-ins that isn't completely boned by Fletch U-turning into Diglett. It has a bunch of other positive traits that have already been stated (massive attack, good speed tier, wide movepool). Defeatist is usually a non-issue, just slap on Berry Juice and you're free to fire off Head Smashes/switch into neutral/resisted attacks. Great mon, A-rank.

Skrelp: C-rank ---> D-rank

Skrelp's C-rank worthiness is a relic of the Swirlix meta; it's time for it to move down a rank. It's mostly outclassed by Tentacool, who sports similar bulk (better special but slightly worse physical), much better speed, and more support options such as Rapid Spin and Knock Off. Trubbish is a more reliable setter since it's a sexy glue-mon/Knock Off absorber. Even Froakie outclasses Skrelp as an offensive T-spike setter thanks to Protean and higher speed. Overall, Skrelp isn't a terribad pokemon, but it doesn't really do anything in this meta that isn't done better by something else, so I'd say it fits in D-rank nicely.
 
Wingull: D-rank at least

Wingull actually has surprising sweeping potential and has solid Special Attack and Speed stats. Wingull can hit 19 Speed and 14 Special Attack and with Choice Specs, Wingull can trash unsuspecting teams. STAB Hurricane coming from 21 Special Attack and STAB Scald can punch holes and Ice Beam, Hidden Power Grass and U-turn can be used for coverage and pivot, respectively. Granted, bulky walls and such are 2KOed or 3KOed and anything that resists whatever STAB Wingull's locked into can effectively shut it down due to its low defensive capabilities. Also, its most powerful STAB (Hurricane) only has 70% accuracy which makes it rather unreliable. However, I do feel that it deserves to at least be mentioned on the ranking list.
 
I'm kinda on the fence concerning Bunnelby and Ferroseed. Both of these Pokemon are pretty good at what they do, and the banning of Murkrow and Meditite gives greater incentive for their use as Bunnelby is free of two users mashing his face in with a Mach Punch or Sucker Punch and Ferroseed can lay seeds and rocks and whatever without fear of a High Jump Kick or a nasty Heat Wave. Both these Pokemon still have their problems that I believe keep them from A-rank although I do believe they're closer than other B-rank Pokemon.

Ferroseed still has problems with the other Fighting-types in the tier like Mienfoo who can simply regenerate the damage taken from Iron Barbs or Scraggy who can crush the pineapple after a boost. Cottonee variants with Taunt make Ferroseed useless - which is concerning considering the spike in Cottonee's usage. However, Ferroseed is still a serial pest, and is deserving of a high B-rank.

Bunnelby hits like a truck on roids, but can't take even weak hits and has huge problems against ghosts, particular Misdreavus. The Scarf set makes a good late game sweeper, but Bunnelby doesn't do anything too much out of the ordinary except for have an effective base attack stat of 166. B-rank is fine.
 
I am a believer in Larvesta for A rank. As one of the best anti fighting pivots in LC, Larvesta is a great Pokemon with simalarities to Ponyta. Both are bulky fire types whose main purpose is to spread burns while hitting hard. They trade off certain things, however. Ponyta is faster, yet Larvesta has U-Turn. Ponyta has 2x weakness to rocks only, but Larvesta's bug typing gives it more bulk to fighters. Tbh, both are equal in skill and ability. If Ponyta is in A, why shouldn't Larvesta be?

TL;DR, Larvesta for A rank
 
Kiba Roserade said:
I am a believer in Larvesta for A rank. As one of the best anti fighting pivots in LC, Larvesta is a great Pokemon with simalarities to Ponyta. Both are bulky fire types whose main purpose is to spread burns while hitting hard. They trade off certain things, however. Ponyta is faster, yet Larvesta has U-Turn. Ponyta has 2x weakness to rocks only, but Larvesta's bug typing gives it more bulk to fighters. Tbh, both are equal in skill and ability. If Ponyta is in A, why shouldn't Larvesta be?

TL;DR, Larvesta for A rank
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IMO Larvesta is B rank at best. The prominence of Stealth Rock makes it incredibly unreliable when pivoting in and out. Ponyta also, as you mentioned, is faster, but has a speed stat which lets it tie with pokes like Misdreavus (and obviously the ever-threatening Wingull). Larvesta does have Morning Sun, but if your opponent puts enough pressure on, you won't have the time to recover all the damage you'll be taking from switching in and out. However, Larvesta can switch in and burn threats like Mienfoo, Pawniard, etc. and still has a solid movepool and solid stat distribution, making it viable, just not A rank material.
 
prem said:
trubbish->a
omanyte->b
croagunk->b
lileep->c
koffing->b
ziggy->b
staryu->c
onix->b


thats all i did now. still talk about ponyta, magnemite, houndour, archen, larvesta.

PROBABLY dont have to talk about archen i just forgot about it but idk somoene say more stuff.
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Trubbish: Stronger than ever with sticky hold Juice + recycle. Cant touch ghosts which is an issue but lets keep him up high.

Omanyte: Has two roles, Having all three hazards and Shell Smashing on the special side. Notably powerful but not as great as other SSers since there's no Sturdy. I would like to see more Hazard Omanytes though. Lets just leave this in B.

Croagunk: Poison/Fighting typing means he tases less from Drain Punch and can best the other Fighting pokemon in the teir. Immunity to Scald is also a godsend and he's even able to combat with Chinchou because of it and even beat it with Earthquake. Move this pokemon UP.

Lileep: One of the bulkiest pokemon in the teir. Weird Rock/Grass typing and Recovery/Stockpile makes it one of the better defensive mons. Held back by offensive pressure but not like it really matters since it walls a lot fo shit easily.

Koffing: With a lot of fighting types running rampant, Koffing is able to neuter them with a swift burn. Cant really do a lot of damage but hey TOXIC SPIKES setter~

Zigzagoon: Nothing has changed about you. Belly Drum + Berry Juice with Extremespeed and the lovely coverage of Shadow Claw/Seed Bomb/Fighting move (i think it's Rock Smash it can run? someone help here?)

Staryu: Spinners arent really that popular. But this spinner has natural cure + recover. niche. You could use your old eviolite set from gen 5 and you hit 19 speed, but what else are you doing?

Onix: 17 Speed but Taunt/SR, a good Hazard mon. There's not much else to you though.

Ponyta: One of the best defensive Fire types in the whole meta. Hits the coveted 19 speed and has semi reliable recovery.

Magnemite: Recycle Berry Juice still it's best set, Could run a scarf set like last gen to trap scarf Pawniards... Nail with HP Fight, done deal.

Houndour: Awesome as hell at trapping ghosts and hits hard as hell. Still really really frail but now have a new toy in Destiny Bond.

Archen: I love your defensive set and the BJ attacking set is pretty nice. I rather use defensive since i can get places.



Larvesta: one of my most favorite pokemon to run in LC right now. Scarf or Eviolite it doesnt matter, you're spectatular.
 
So i was looking at the list and i saw that Binacle was in C rank. Does it have any outstanding features over Tirtouga thats makes it better than D rank atleast?

(Also Artemis Fowl was apparently totally serious about Clamperl to S)
 
Nozzle said:
So i was looking at the list and i saw that Binacle was in C rank. Does it have any outstanding features over Tirtouga thats makes it better than D rank atleast?

(Also Artemis Fowl was apparently totally serious about Clamperl to S)
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Binacle does have Tough Claws but (Razor Shell , Brick Break, Cross Chop, Poison Jab, X-Scissor) he doesnt have Rock Stab to hit with for the Tough Claws boost.

Binacle is faster but doesnt hit as hard/lower defenses over Tirtouga. I wonder of the TC boost makes him hit harder?

+2 212+ Atk Tirtouga Waterfall vs. 212 HP / 196+ Def Eviolite Spritzee: 13-16 (48.1 - 59.2%) -- 85.9% chance to 2HKO
+2 212+ Atk Tirtouga Stone Edge vs. 212 HP / 196+ Def Eviolite Spritzee: 16-21 (59.2 - 77.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

+2 180+ Atk Tough Claws Binacle Razor Shell vs. 212 HP / 196+ Def Eviolite Spritzee: 15-18 (55.5 - 66.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 180+ Atk Tough Claws Binacle Poison Jab vs. 212 HP / 196+ Def Eviolite Spritzee: 20-24 (74 - 88.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

It somewhat matters... But yeah Binacle is a somewhat worse Shell Smasher than Tirtouga in my book.
 
For the record, Tirtouga is definitely an all-around better smasher than Binacle, minus Binacle's access to Tough Claws boosted Cross Chop. Binacle's main draw is its ability to effectively utilize Choice Band/Scarf + Switcheroo (it's actually listed as Binacle's primary set), which is something Tirtouga can't pull off. Levi brought up the idea of Tirt and Binacle as shell smash buddies, and I can attest that they are good partners. This is actually the only reason I'd ever use shell smash Binacle over choice Binacle. Since Tirt and Binacle share very similar checks, all you have to do is wear down the water/rock resists with one and proceed to sweep with the other.

As a shell smasher, Binacle is for the most part outclassed, but its decent Choice sets and Tough Claws boosted coverage are good enough for C-rank; it should stay there.
 
I haven't really posted in a while, so I guess now is a good time with idiot prem thinking Croagunk is worthy of being dropped for whatever idiot reason.....

Fletchling: An amazing mon this meta who is quite honestly running the show. Definitely needs to be S now. I don't know why it hasn't been nominated for S yet anyways......

Croagunk: Great typing, which gives it an amazing niche in beating many top tier threats, including Pawn and Mienfoo, as well as many others. Pretty. lol offensive core formed with CRvanha, as they cover each other weaknesses pretty well. Amazing movepool, including Knock Off, and 3 forms of priority. Def worthy of A tbh. (It is also immune to Scald burns so like, make it S tbh.)

Archen: Amazing niche in being able to beat Diglett and Fletchling cores single-handedly. Best hazard remover in the metagame right now. Great movepool, which includes U-turn, SR, Defog, Knock Off..... def worthy of A.

Onix: Not much to say about this. Always pictured it as the primary lead noobs use, if I am being serious. Pretty decent kind of, I would put in C but whatever.

Omanyte: Overhyped Helix bitch. Only gained popularity because of an idiotic meme that has been around for like 5 years already. Pretty decent, I suppose. Can be scary if your team sucks, too, I guess. Leave it in B, but don't go making bold accusations saying it's better than shit it's obviously not better than, ie: Tirtouga.

Koffing: With the rise of Fighting-types in the tier, Poison-types are obviously rising right back, and Koffing is a pretty cool one too. Great ability, cool movepool, and nice defenses.

Magnemite: Still an extremely scary mon as it has always been this gen. Great typing with 20 SpA. It's a really cool pivot, and I enjoy seeing this guy being used a lot more so than the boring ass Chinchou, who I really don't think is that great if I am being serious. Definitely worthy of A.

Chinchou: One of the most overrated mons in Lc I have ever used. Please never nominate it for S ever.

Trubbish: I liked his guy better when his prowess wasn't over exaggerated. It's pretty frail seeing as though it lacks Eviolite, and while it can check a good number of threats, it being able to relies on it having its Berry Juice still, which implies it has had free turns to get it back after switching in. It is good, but I just feel like people are making it appear to be more than it actually is..... leave it in A I guess for now. Meh. (Though I really think it should be B but whatever........)

Vullaby: The very definition of 4MSS at its finest. It's niche of being a great Defogger has been stolen by Archen this meta, and I really don't think it deserves A anymore because of this. Please drop.

Houndour: Really cool mon, especially with Misdreavus rising in usage. Great trapper! definitely B tho.

Staryu: Mediocrity at its finest. Please drop to C.

Lileep: Cool wall with a nice typing and ability. I enjoy using it when I use it. Kind of meh now though with all these mons that destroy it, I guess C is fitting.

Ponyta: Was a cool mon who I enjoyed using, but I haven't gotten around to using it again yet. I have come across it a little this meta and I find it to be a liability usually, what with Chinchou and Diglett rising n usage thanks to Fletchling and such. I have to agree with the dropping of this ill guy to B for now.

Diglett: Amazing mon right now, 20 Spe is huge, allowing it to trap and kill so many notable threats, including Ponyta, Chinchou, Trubbish, Magnemite after rocks, and other lil shitcakes. Please make it A thanks I will appreciate it a lot, as will this lil dicker tbh.
 
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