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Pet Mod Legends Z-A OU
- Thread starter dhelmise
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The Chestnaught reign of terror ends.
Not surprised about Greninja, Chesnaught does kinda stink (it'll still be good though), but man, poor Delphox lmfao.
I mean, it's *something,* but Levitate still isn't really a good ability for it. It's definitely not terrible, at least. Maybe Raichu X having Levitate was a future premonition?
I mean, it's *something,* but Levitate still isn't really a good ability for it. It's definitely not terrible, at least. Maybe Raichu X having Levitate was a future premonition?
Mega Delphox having Levitate is a perfectly fine ability. Turning a weakness into an immunity is always gonna be good, even if it can’t spam Expanding Force. It’d arguably be overpowered if it did get Psychic Surge or something. It’d be Mega Charizard Y but faster and immunity to priority.
Mega Chesnaught definitely got the worst end in terms of abilities. It could have gotten Stamina or something, but instead its just bulletproof, which is fine, but its a slow defensive Grass/Fighting type. With stats similar to Mega Golisopod who has vastly superior typing too.
As for Mega Raichu X, I don’t think it’ll actually get Levitate. They didn’t show off Raichu facing a ground type or anything. It’s more likely now that Raichu X will get a new ability that raises its attack after using Volt Tackle.
"It’d arguably be overpowered if it did get Psychic Surge"
No, it would undeniably be overpowered. Thats a 1.5 * 1.3 * 1.5 (EForce boost, Terrain boost, STAB for being psychic). That turns Expanding Force into a 234 base power move.
252+ SpA Delphox-Mega Expanding Force (120 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Assault Vest Raging Bolt in Psychic Terrain: 238-282 (52.4 - 62.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO.
(guranteed 3hko in doubles)
252+ SpA Delphox-Mega Expanding Force (120 BP) vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Ursaluna in Psychic Terrain: 391-462 (84.4 - 99.7%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO after burn damage (Singles)
252+ SpA Delphox-Mega Expanding Force (120 BP) vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Ursaluna in Psychic Terrain: 294-346 (63.4 - 74.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after burn damage (Doubles)
Bolt need either additional EV's into spdef or a +spdef nature to have a chance of a 2hko, and doing that much damage to Ursaluna with a neutral+unboosted attack could be classified as a war crime given that Mega Delphox is 134 base speed, one point below Flutter Mane. Don't forget it gets Nasty Plot too so one NP later its wiping the enemy team off the face of the planet.
"just use a steel type to resist the attack"
they click flamethrower and your steel type gets dustbinned. gg. I guess some steel types like Bronzong have a way to alleviate their Fire weakness, but those steel types are typically weaker then the strong steel types anyway.
"just use a dark type to be immune to the attack"
If the opponent doesn't need to run Focus Blast because they know how to teambuild and will inevitably bring a fighting type, usually Urshifu, they'll probably pack dazzling gleam, which gets followed up with a Close Combat that you cant do shit about thanks to Unseen Fist. And on the off chance you're neutral to Dark or Water or even worse weak to Water, now you cant even use screens, intimidate, or defense boosts to stop Surging Strikes/Wicked Blow thanks to the guranteed crits.
"just replace the terrain"
Theres a few issues with this. Mainly that Rillaboom, the next most common terrain setter, speed ties Indeedee-F, the (usually) better one, as Indedee-M is 10 points faster at base 95. Pincurchin is 15 base speed and does nothing other then setup electric terrain. And Galarian Weezing always prefers to run Neutralising Gas.
As for the Tapu's, only Bulu can reliably setup its Grassy Terrain because its the slowest of the 4, at base 75. But running Tapu Bulu means you arent running Rillaboom, Amonguss, Ogerpon, or you're running 2 grass types, which is typically a bad idea unless your team specifically requires it. It doesn't help that Tapu Bulu's currently best fairy stab is Dazzliing Gleam.
Theres always a few caviates to this. Champions could potentially nerf Urshifu when it becomes available, Tapu Bulu could be given good physical fairy STAB, some of the Gen 10 mons might be able to hard counter it, etc etc. But thats all fictional theorymonning.
TLDR: Mega Delphox would absolutely be overpowered with anything other then Levitate. Be glad Game Freak realised this.
Ok... cool, I get it, but that's basically what Cuddly said...
And also just wanted to point this out:
252 Atk Absol-Mega-Z Night Slash vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Delphox-Mega: 338-402 (116.1 - 138.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
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As for Mega Chesnaught and Mega Greninja, I think we got the best possible outcome for both, in that neither would be meta warping for either VGC or Singles.
Chesnaught is used because its Fighting/Grass typing combined with Bulletproof walls Landorous-I, which has surpassed Lando-T due to its huge damage output. Lando-I wants to run Earth Power and Sludge Bomb because both moves are boosted by Sheer Force, Protect because Protect is great in VGC, and either Sandsear Storm to hit both opponents or Substitute to play around its x4 weakness to Ice. Bulletproof totally blocks Sludge Bomb, and Ground is reisted by Grass, so Lando-I just loses to it. Chesnaught also has Grassy Glide, and is one of the few cases where running 2 grass types is worth it because Belly Drum + priority grassy glide is quite good.
Mega Greninja might unfortunately be a victim of oppurtunity cost because its supposedly outdamaged by the base form with a Life Orb, and the speed tie with Dragapult is just a real shame honestly. There may be some niche uses for it in some formats, but otherwise the base form is usually better... and unfortunately base Greninja isn't that good in vgc either. The only other notable thing is that it might be able to click a move before mega evolving, change type, then mega to change to its old type and activate Protean again which might have some fringe uses but i digress.
Chesnaught is used because its Fighting/Grass typing combined with Bulletproof walls Landorous-I, which has surpassed Lando-T due to its huge damage output. Lando-I wants to run Earth Power and Sludge Bomb because both moves are boosted by Sheer Force, Protect because Protect is great in VGC, and either Sandsear Storm to hit both opponents or Substitute to play around its x4 weakness to Ice. Bulletproof totally blocks Sludge Bomb, and Ground is reisted by Grass, so Lando-I just loses to it. Chesnaught also has Grassy Glide, and is one of the few cases where running 2 grass types is worth it because Belly Drum + priority grassy glide is quite good.
Mega Greninja might unfortunately be a victim of oppurtunity cost because its supposedly outdamaged by the base form with a Life Orb, and the speed tie with Dragapult is just a real shame honestly. There may be some niche uses for it in some formats, but otherwise the base form is usually better... and unfortunately base Greninja isn't that good in vgc either. The only other notable thing is that it might be able to click a move before mega evolving, change type, then mega to change to its old type and activate Protean again which might have some fringe uses but i digress.
I think its better to understand why something is broken, rather then just accept simple one liners, even if you have no interest in VGC, so i wanted to explain it for anyone who isn't in the know. You know, "dont teach what to think, but how to think". You dont need to understand in perfect detail, just enough so that you obtain a surface level understanding as to not spread misinfomation on accident.
So gentlemen, when should i expect the best starter of all time (chesnaught) to get bulletproof since it's been confirmed it gets bulletproof
Ask Pokeaim directly he's on the council
Magnet Bomb Scizor
With champions comming out soon and this meta reaching its end, most people haven’t realised that Scizor got a little nice technician buff with Magnet Bomb a 60 BP, non‑contact move. With how common Rocky Helmet rough skin Garchomp and flame-body Talonflame is in the tier, having a strong steel type attack that avoids contact is actually a huge upgrade for Scizor.
Some noticeable calcs
252+ Atk Technician Scizor-Mega Magnet Bomb vs. 252 HP / 216+ Def Garchomp: 138-163 (32.8 - 38.8%) -- 99.3% chance to 3HKO
252+ Atk Technician Scizor-Mega Magnet Bomb vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Magearna: 160-189 (44 - 52%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ Atk Technician Scizor-Mega Magnet Bomb vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Clefable-Mega: 384-452 (97.4 - 114.7%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO
252+ Atk Technician Scizor-Mega Magnet Bomb vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Baxcalibur: 386-456 (104 - 122.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Scizor set i use = https://pokepast.es/72ef75d91ac13883
Also after spamming both Mega Golisopod and Mega Scizor on the ladder and hitting rank 1 with both, it’s become pretty clear that Mega Scizor just does everything Mega Golisopod tries to do, but better. Honestly, I’d even argue that base Scizor is sadly currently better than Mega Pod. Unless Mega Golisopod gets something crazy like Water Bubble, Regenerator, or a real damage‑boosting ability like Tough Claws or Adaptability, it’s heavily outclassed.
(Thats all still love GolisoPod Tho :)
Magnet Bomb is 95 BP in Z-AMagnet Bomb Scizor
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With champions comming out soon and this meta reaching its end, most people haven’t realised that Scizor got a little nice technician buff with Magnet Bomb a 60 BP, non‑contact move. With how common Rocky Helmet rough skin Garchomp and flame-body Talonflame is in the tier, having a strong steel type attack that avoids contact is actually a huge upgrade for Scizor.
Some noticeable calcs
252+ Atk Technician Scizor-Mega Magnet Bomb vs. 252 HP / 216+ Def Garchomp: 138-163 (32.8 - 38.8%) -- 99.3% chance to 3HKO
252+ Atk Technician Scizor-Mega Magnet Bomb vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Magearna: 160-189 (44 - 52%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ Atk Technician Scizor-Mega Magnet Bomb vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Clefable-Mega: 384-452 (97.4 - 114.7%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO
252+ Atk Technician Scizor-Mega Magnet Bomb vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Baxcalibur: 386-456 (104 - 122.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Scizor set i use = https://pokepast.es/72ef75d91ac13883
Also after spamming both Mega Golisopod and Mega Scizor on the ladder and hitting rank 1 with both, it’s become pretty clear that Mega Scizor just does everything Mega Golisopod tries to do, but better. Honestly, I’d even argue that base Scizor is sadly currently better than Mega Pod. Unless Mega Golisopod gets something crazy like Water Bubble, Regenerator, or a real damage‑boosting ability like Tough Claws or Adaptability, it’s heavily outclassed.
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(Thats all still love GolisoPod Tho :)
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All this means is that it will be even better tbh