Let's ban Hidden Power

[Surgo]

This 'new tier' you're talking about is commonly referred to as "borderline".

 

[Hippo]

That's fair. I have no illusions about this: I know I won't convince everybody. When Diamond and Pearl are released here, I'll set up a a group of people who want to try battling without Hidden Power, Legendaries, or base 600 Pokémon. That way people can try it out to see if they like it. Besides, it's not like they have to use these rules exclusively. I'm sure it's fun to use Legendaries sometimes. Maybe this gen I'll broaden my horizons and give that a shot. It wouldn't be fair for me to ask everybody else to change if I didn't give their way a try.

As far as the counter-arguments being stronger, I think there are two questions we all have to ask ourselves. First, do you believe that removing Hidden Power and Legendaries would make the game more interesting by adding variety and encouraging new strategies? Second, do you want the game to be more interesting, even if it means learning a new way to play? If you answered no to the second question, then you and I can just agree to disagree and go our separate ways. If you answered no to the first question, why don't you try battling my way just to make sure you're not mistaken? Of course, if you answered yes to both questions, then you and I are in total agreement.

I see two basic camps on this: people who really love their tried-and-true metagame the way it is now and don't want change because it means they'll have to learn all over again, and people who want a bit more variety and strategy. I respect both viewpoints, but I can almost guarantee that those of you looking for more variety are better off playing without Hidden Power.

For those of you who think that Hidden Power and Legendaries make the game more interesting, why not try it my way? What have you got to lose? I'll certainly be trying it your way. I've been wrong before.

I'd join... I hate HP. Any poke can learn any type move. Sure it doesn't get STAB, but a base 70 (or really close to it) move that gets 2x SE atleast when you use it (otherwise you'd go with the other moves) is just too good. Its also hard to get, people get lucky, and boom, a great poke. Get unlucky and you have to spend hours and days trying to get it.
And yeah, I'm sick of legendaries. I just want to use 6 pokes that aren't legendary or uber. (Well, i have Rhyperior, but he isn't as bad as some pokes)

If Hidden Power is banned (something that won't happen) i'm sure that Pure Electric types won't be seen in OU, really (Electivire maybe the only exception)

There's nothing broken in a max 70 Base Power Special move that almost always doesn't get STAB, generally they are there because of 4x weakness or another reason (HP Fire in Sunnybeamers to counter Steel types and the Sunny Day boost)

I can see the metagame withouth Hidden Power, but at the same time i see a metagame that is completely ruled by those Strong Pokemon that aren't Uber because of their weakness (Salamence, Garchomp, Tyranitar, etc)

Yeah... its broken. It gives Electrivire a counter to his counter, and just lets lucky people (with IVs) do better than people who just didn't get lucky or cannot spend hours trying for the right IVs.

 

[Deaga]

Why do some people complain about battling ARTICUNO, who gets buttfucked by Stealth Rock, and don't say a word about Metagross? WHY?

 

[ANinyMouse]

This 'new tier' you're talking about is commonly referred to as "borderline".

I remember there was some passing comments that BL might see it's own tier, and maybe that's feasible enough to try it, if at least on competitor. I believe there is enough variety in the Pokemon beastiary now for another (albiet hybrid) tier of competition.

 

[ekans dilos]

This 'new tier' you're talking about is commonly referred to as "borderline".

Except BL is not an official tier. If it becomes one in this new generation, fair enough. As things stand though you can't tell me what I'm talking about already exists.