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I appreciate you sharing that, I think a lot of people are having those feelings right now. My thoughts:

Among other things, it should be understood that fascist forces *literally* own the media, including social media, and intentionally use this dominance to shape the ideological environment we all live in.

So in my mind, you should not feel hopeless. It would certainly be worrying if we lived in a world where hundreds of millions of people simply decided on their own to be hateful. That is not what is happening. In fact, a very small number of capitalists are using their considerable resources, on purpose, to keep the rest of us confused, divided, and at eachother's throats. This is a very solvable problem!

I'd go into this more, but something tells me that would warrant a separate thread. I just truly do not want people to feel hopeless in this moment. Being honest, I happen to believe things will continue to get *worse* for quite some time, but there are some very very clear ways for us to fight back.
 
I said I would elaborate on my outlook at some point, and. Is it ok if I break down for a bit?

Things are going bad. It's very obvious. Society is falling into facism and bigotry because the people demanded it. Every day I go online and see it. "You don't hate them enough."

But I don't hate. I don't get angry. I just get sad.

I don't let myself hate. Hatred only makes things worse. Hatred is what caused this, hatred is what birthed this. Hatred only clouds judgement. It reduces them to one dimensional villains who just want to hurt. It reduces your capacity to empathize. It reduces your capacity to love. It spreads and spreads until you can't stop hating. Until you hate everyone and everything.

For me to have any hope, I can't hate. I need to see these people and understand them. But as things get worse and worse, the less people wake up the more my sadness swells. And the voice inside that says I should hate is fed, and the louder it grows the more sad I become.

I can't accept this. I cannot accept that these people would do this harm because they are pure evil. They have to be shaped into this. They have to be believing lies. They have to be victims themselves who have been separated from reality and molded into tools for destruction. Because if that isn't it. If this is how people are. Then what hope do we have? How can we ever live in a free society where a very large portion of people are pure evil? That's why I have to see the other side. That's why I have to understand. That's why I need to empathize and humanize and not give in to hate.

But every day they make it harder. Every day I see the worst of what humanity has to offer. And I understand the need to hate. But if this many people are just enemies, then what is our solution? Let our hatred resolve? Opress them? Eliminate them? I don't want that. I don't think anyone reading this wants that. That is facist. That is authoritarianism. That is everything we are fighting. For the society we hope for with the progressive aspirations we seek and that they are fighting against to be viable, people have to be good. My faith in humanity is the only thing keeping me going. It's the only thing that gives me any hope for the future.

But it's so hard to have this faith. They are making it so hard to empathize and humanize and hope they can be better and that they are not the monsters I am told to hate. If the hate wins, then we have no hope. But hate is winning. They are hating. And we are hating. And I'm so sick of the hate. I can't stand this hate. I can't hope with this hate. I can't live with this hate. I can't love with this hate.
Introduction:

I understand the struggle you're dealing with. It's hard, and one I've grappled with myself. You're definitely not alone in facing it.

There's no one right way to go about it, but I'll tell you how I do – both in specific answers to specific questions, and ways I think about approaching the question more broadly. I encourage you to take what is helpful to you from it.

I wrote about it some before, which I'll link to provide more thoughts and coverage. I still agree with what I said the, but I've also had new thoughts I'll add here.

"What Is It That We Are Doing?" and Clarity

When we think about approaching the world not with hatred, but with empathy, understanding, and hope – in short, when we approach the world with love over hatred – both are a type of two-way street.

In one direction, there's how we approach the world, which we can change. Why do we love? Why do we hate? We can't perfectly dictate our own psychologies, but we still have a lot of control over how we think, how we process our feelings, and how we grow into new perspectives and capabilities.

In another direction, there is the state of the world. I'm using "world" in a broad sense here, for factors that are more outside our control, and less in our individual ability to change into something else. Here, "the world" includes both how other individuals think and feel and act, and broader societal and systemic forces. Of course, we can influence the world in lots of ways, but again, it is more outside our control than our own approach.

For us to love or to hate, our emotional approach must be compatible with the the world. If we need certain reasons to love, the world must have those reasons in order for us to love. If we need certain reasons to hate, those must also be present.

This conclusion may sound simple and obvious. It ain't rocket science, and some other parts of this post won't be rocket science, either. I lay these simple ideas out carefully, and explicitly, because mental and emotional clarity are important (and sometimes underappreciated) tools to help us navigate these challenges.

To be clear, while clarity is important, seeming obstacles to clarity, like strong emotions, are great too. Strong emotions, and likewise strong principles and beliefs, are guiding streetlights that help us navigate the world. When things make us feel really bad, well, there's a solid chance that the thing is bad, and maybe it should not be that way, and maybe we should avoid it! These guide responses provide a foundation for making sense of what we see and do.

However, if we lean too unbalancedly into these guide, we can get stuck. This is especially possible for complex situations that make us feel strongly and strongly affect our goals, like the existence of evil in the world. As a foundation to apply to many situations, they don't change strongly in adaptation to different situations. Therefore, they can lead us to mistakes. An authority figure may feel bad when they are challenged by someone they hold authority over, but that negative emotion does not mean the authority figure should go unchallenged. The challenge could be unwarranted, but it could also be important advice!

When we also have clarity, when we lay out and understand what we are doing and why, we help ourselves avoid these mistakes. For example, we can accept our strong emotional feelings – not shying away from our emotions – while also rationally understanding that, even still, we don't need to follow their implicit recommended actions.

In navigating the role of evil in our world, you are tackling a complicated and intense challenge, and already have very strong foundation-type responses, very understandably! That makes clarity especially important. Your post makes a lot of steps to establish clarity, and you've already put a lot of valuable work in understanding your reasons and motivations for your thoughts and beliefs, clearly.

I encourage you to continue on that track. Next, I'll outline some answers my clarity has gotten me. They're not "the right" answers such that others are wrong, but they have insights and have helped me. They may not be your answers, but they may have pieces you like, and I encourage you to take such pieces.

My Answers

I frame these in terms of the two directions I talked about earlier, the state of the world first, and my approach second.

"What makes the world potentially lovable?"

- Our existence as humanity is inherently a wonder. The choices we make, how we can think and feel, how we can form connections, is a miracle of life.
- Even when situations are unjust, there is often much good and just inside them. Many people who experience injustice have much love and goodness in their lives. That does not make the injustice good, of course, but sometimes we lack clarity and forget the good while focusing on the bad.
- Learning someone was harassed for being gay may provoke a stronger emotional response than learning they had a overall good year otherwise, but would you trade away the rest of the year in exchange for wiping away the day of harassment? Would they make that trade?
- The world can pose immense challenges and immense complexities. We often note that people may not know better, or were raised in a hateful environment, which gets at this point. But we can be more general. Even when people learn more and find better environments, adjusting beliefs and thoughts and opinions is hard, and like anything else hard, people may fail! Do individual failures like this end their worth, even if they do many other good things (which directly shows they are not pure evil)? Personally, I do not think so!
- This is even more true if they're facing particular challenges that make change even harder, as is often true. It's harder to thoughtfully reconsider your beliefs when you're working 50 hours a week – or more – of sapping manual labor to put food on the table for your partner and children.

I want to caution you that, since this is a two-way street, the above question will never be the full story. If someone is inherently unwilling to love, altogether or under certain conditional circumstances, and unwilling to budge from that position, no amount of justification of the world's lovable nature will force them to love, and endlessly seeking justification for a fundamentally impossible task can become a snipe hunt. With a foundation non-adaptive enough, you can justify (or fail to justify) anything. You can bring a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.

The above question is getting closer to the water. The next question is actually drinking it.

"What makes me potentially able to love?"

I used to be too caught up in justifications here. I wanted to be more loving, but I felt like I couldn't love people who were very flawed in certain ways, or maybe even outright evil.

That feeling was wrong! There's nothing that stops or prevents me from loving. I can love whoever I want. I can't micro-control my psyche, and perspectives can take time to develop, but I can choose to approach situations with a desire to love, and I increasingly have. People have done things to upset me, and I've thought, I can try to love, to understand them, connect with them, be closer to them, and I've learned a lot and felt a lot better from trying to do that. Sometimes I misunderstood them and thought the harm was greater than it was, and sometimes I wasn't wrong and they did actually mess up that badly, but that distinction didn't have to matter in terms of access to my love. That was under my power. I could have justified not loving, and I didn't. Nothing prohibits me from loving. Both adopting that mentality, and practicing it sometimes (not all times – I am human!), helped.

With this unbound mentality and all the reasons the world could be lovable, there's a lot that makes me able to love. Finding the good in people and situations and anything, and emotionally taking in and healing from that goodness, is something we get better at with time. But on the note of being clear-minded and explicit – part of the reason I love is because, straightforwardly, free from moral judgments, it feels good. Good feels good, and not good feels not good! By taking control of how I process situations and actions and people, and choosing to find the positive in them, it lifts my spirits and gives me strength and drive. Explanations are great, but sometimes it's also just about actually doing the thing.
 
As honorary trans spokeswoman of pride month I want to take the time to say happy pride to everyone except the following:

1.) people who use the word rubbish instead of trash. You know who you are.
2.) people who drive cyber trucks.
3.) people who eat weetabix WILLINGLY.
4.) clefable enjoyers.
5.) people who don’t have the soap gene for cilantro
6.) non lgbt baristas, your coffee is bland diva.
7.)people who don’t put sunscreen on before a beach trip.
8.) people who don’t enjoy the legends of Zelda franchise.
9.) girl with septum ring: it didn’t even hurttt
10.) intermission.
11.) people who smoke Miami mint vapes. Your month is coming soon.




Jokes aside HAPPY PRIDE MONTHHHH!!!
 
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As honorary trans spokeswoman of pride month I want to take the time to say happy pride to everyone except the following:

1.) people who use the word rubbish instead of trash. You know who you are.
2.) people who drive cyber trucks.
3.) people who eat weetabix WILLINGLY.
4.) clefable enjoyers.
5.) people who don’t have the soap gene for basil.
6.) non lgbt baristas, your coffee is bland diva.
7.)people who don’t put sunscreen on before a beach trip.
8.) people who don’t enjoy the legends of Zelda franchise.
9.) girl with septum ring: it didn’t even hurttt
10.) intermission.
11.) people who smoke Miami mint vapes. Your month is coming soon.




Jokes aside HAPPY PRIDE MONTHHHH!!!
i have the soap gene for cilantro but still like it anyway, can i still celebrate pride month?
 
But if this many people are just enemies, then what is our solution? Let our hatred resolve? Opress them? Eliminate them?
It's a dirty word, but the answer is reeducation. People must unlearn the bigotry and hatred that the powers that be have drilled into them, and it's unfortunately the case that most will not do so without a long and intensive process.
 
It's been almost 6 years now since my coming out here at a time I was heavily depressed to the point I was really contemplating about ending my own life. Since then a lot has happened and even though I still have money problems due to not being able to work for years because of mental health and sleep problems, and gotta think how I finance my planned studies at a university with 30, I genuinely am a lot happier with my life due to getting to express my identity as who I really am and having a much better social life with genuine friends who support me, and thats so much more important than any burnout or "lack of success" with this game in tournaments over the last months that ultimately doesn't matter for my personal life and regretting to have joined a bunch of team tours.

This also makes me worry only sometimes instead of all the time about the increasingly hostile political climate even here in Germany, and I already see how much worse it gets for LGBTQ+ over the last years in the anglosphere and how quickly human rights can be taking away.

So, in that sense Pride Month feels more important now than it has been for many years in the western world and whatever ghoulish powerful people and brainwashed sheep from the lower classes try to do, I know that we'll get through this like we have for thousands of years somehow despite all the obstacles.
 
It's been almost 6 years now since my coming out here at a time I was heavily depressed to the point I was really contemplating about ending my own life. Since then a lot has happened and even though I still have money problems due to not being able to work for years because of mental health and sleep problems, and gotta think how I finance my planned studies at a university with 30, I genuinely am a lot happier with my life due to getting to express my identity as who I really am and having a much better social life with genuine friends who support me, and thats so much more important than any burnout or "lack of success" with this game in tournaments over the last months that ultimately doesn't matter for my personal life and regretting to have joined a bunch of team tours.

This also makes me worry only sometimes instead of all the time about the increasingly hostile political climate even here in Germany, and I already see how much worse it gets for LGBTQ+ over the last years in the anglosphere and how quickly human rights can be taking away.

So, in that sense Pride Month feels more important now than it has been for many years in the western world and whatever ghoulish powerful people and brainwashed sheep from the lower classes try to do, I know that we'll get through this like we have for thousands of years somehow despite all the obstacles.
its great to hear that you're a lot happier. its only been a bit over a year for me since i started transitioning, but i can definitely relate to the heavy depression before truly living as yourself. genuine support from people who care for you is really one of the most important things when it comes to that. i wholeheartedly agree with the fact that the community will get through the rough times, as we always do. i might be a bit of an outlier, but i find myself optimistic as a whole about the future. while times are tough, especially with the the more hostile political climate brewing in many places, i think that hostility will eventually lessen and then disappear. im very much a "hate will never win" kind of gal. how long that will be is anyone's guess, but i have hope acceptance and letting people live as they are without judgement is not as far off as it may feel sometimes.
 
its great to hear that you're a lot happier. its only been a bit over a year for me since i started transitioning, but i can definitely relate to the heavy depression before truly living as yourself. genuine support from people who care for you is really one of the most important things when it comes to that. i wholeheartedly agree with the fact that the community will get through the rough times, as we always do. i might be a bit of an outlier, but i find myself optimistic as a whole about the future. while times are tough, especially with the the more hostile political climate brewing in many places, i think that hostility will eventually lessen and then disappear. im very much a "hate will never win" kind of gal. how long that will be is anyone's guess, but i have hope acceptance and letting people live as they are without judgement is not as far off as it may feel sometimes.
This, unless we die of global warming first
 
happy pride month


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mic drop.
 
being a queer person of color, esp a transfem of color, is probably one of the most isolating feelings out there. i was gonna write a lot more on this initially as its been on my mind for a while, and esp given how twitter discourse some time ago has brought this subject into light even among my cishet friends and only affirmed my thoughts, but tbh i think any poc reading this will probably resonate with my sentiment esp since this site highkey do got everyone here, bless up.

the short of it is that youre subject to homophobia, transphobia, misogyny, racism, etc at so many angles and all at once, whether its within general society, our family, other queer people, and so on. most people of color have big families that are close, but are likely to be traditional/conservative/adopted colonial mindset, so coming out could end up resulting in being cut off from dozens if not hundreds of people. for trans women, theres an insane pressure to fit into the mold of eurocentric beauty standards of women for our own safety out in public as our features are already so masculinised in western society; think about how transphobia especially affects cis women of color. one more thing, in my experiences most queer spaces irl seem rly white idk how else to put it, maybe i just have bad rng but it feels like the people that people of color are way way more likely to reciprocate my enthusiasm to meet people; i just connect lot more instantly with them. whereas some white transfems i meet irl still feel like they have stuff to unlearn and unpack even if we have same interests idk. i guess this is more of a rant than anything else since im tired af, theres honestly so much more i can go into detail on but again i think many will have the same sentiment as me. regardless its more important than ever to stick together in a world that is getting increasingly hostile towards us seemingly at every turn
 
it's one of those days again where i just feel so miserable because of my sexuality, i've talked about it with friends before and they've been supportive, but this doesn't help. it won't make the feeling go away. the joke here is, i don't even know if i'm gay... i'm still confused and trying to understand my sexuality, for the longest time i was called "gay" by other people before i even properly knew what the word meant, and i'll be 100% honest it's stuck with me more than i've ever really admitted

a lot of this probably comes from my family being extremely conservative, it's not something i can really be open about, and i really do think that's made figuring myself out a lot harder, i know there's nothing inherently wrong with being gay, and if someone else told me they were struggling with this i'd never ever think there was anything wrong with them, but for some reason i can't give myself that same lenience and it severely depresses me. some days i'm completely fine and don't think about it much, and then other days i genuinely hate this part of myself and wish i could just be different, i'm tired of always crying about the same thing over and over, It's exhausting going back and forth between knowing i shouldn't feel ashamed and still feeling that shame anyway, this is so stupid lol

is there anyone here who also used to really struggle with accepting their sexuality but eventually became more comfortable with it? i don't want to spend forever feeling like this, and i'd like to think that at some point i could be happy with myself
 
is there anyone here who also used to really struggle with accepting their sexuality but eventually became more comfortable with it? i don't want to spend forever feeling like this, and i'd like to think that at some point i could be happy with myself
it gets better! and your feelings are honestly some that a lot of people probably share including myself, both in the past and here and there in the present. while my family as a whole wasn't really against it my dad really does care unfortunately and growing up i would internalize a lot of what he said and even while still not knowing i was queer it still had a sort of negative connotation when he brought it up. whenever i first realized it in high school it felt really frustrating, since even though i connected with other queer classmates going to a catholic school in the midwest isn't usually going to be a great environment to express yourself. it's also just tiring feeling like you can be yourself everywhere you go except for home when it should be the place you feel safest. it takes a lot to unpack ideals that are projected onto you from family but over time it definitely gets lighter, especially with help from friends/your support systems.

even now i'm still kinda navigating aspects of this since i'm basically "out" but only for a year really. there's still emotional "work" for me to do but i couldn't imagine the progress i would have at this point in my life even like two or three years ago. i still have that little voice in my head sometimes from my dad that i shouldn't be doing this or whatever but it shrinks more and more with every day that goes by. being able to live as myself authentically has brought more happiness than i'd thought possible for me honestly, and hopefully when you're able to get out of that environment you can have that feeling also. you've also got way more time than you think! this isn't a forever feeling and even if you're still in the pits this won't be how you feel forever, especially when you're able to get in an environment without the pressures of family (whether it be schooling in the future or just plain moving out). it already takes a lot of courage to even express these feelings publicly on a forum like this and i'm sure you'll be able to thrive in the future when you've got the space to become yourself fully, whatever form that takes.
 
I've mentioned this quite a few times here, but I'm agender. Or, at least that's what I think. Smarter people than me have gone longer without realizing they're transfem, and occasionally I'll see someone describe features of someone that match me and say they mean that person is obviously a closeted transfem. My leading hypothesis is still that I'm agender, but I'm also not always great at identifying myself, and the idea that there might be an identity out there that actually fits me sits in the back of my mind. I've tried going by she/her in the past and it didn't really go anywhere, but that could be because I did it on Discord where it doesn't often come up. I've also never properly tried on they/them, or any other set of pronouns besides the aforementioned time I tried out she/her, and of course he/him which I have been assigned from birth. A couple months ago I asked a Discord I'm in to mix up the pronouns used for me, and I don't think anyone's gotten the chance to use pronouns for me since then. Trying to figure myself out feels like I'm playing chess with myself and losing, and I wish there was an easy way to know for sure. I don't really know what I expect posting here to accomplish, but if you want to use it as an excuse to say how you discovered your identity, be my guest, it will probably bring me one step closer to climbing the downwards escalator of my identity.
 
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i'm feeling more and more that i don't really want to talk about my gender; it's just not really important to me and i think people tend to treat it as important to everyone else in a way that i don't really like being applied to me. the issue is that people fairly often ask about stuff like pronouns and while i'd prefer to not say anything i feel a bit awkward doing that sometimes. i think in theory i should get over it and just express myself properly and refuse to give out pronouns but i haven't really put that into practice yet.
there isn't really a point to this post but this is what i'm thinking at the moment.
 
i'm feeling more and more that i don't really want to talk about my gender; it's just not really important to me and i think people tend to treat it as important to everyone else in a way that i don't really like being applied to me. the issue is that people fairly often ask about stuff like pronouns and while i'd prefer to not say anything i feel a bit awkward doing that sometimes.
Is there a reason why “any” doesn’t work for you. Sorry if this sounds condescending or mean-spirited I have my own problems with “any”, but is there something specific that you find annoying about it (for you to say)
 
i'm feeling more and more that i don't really want to talk about my gender; it's just not really important to me and i think people tend to treat it as important to everyone else in a way that i don't really like being applied to me. the issue is that people fairly often ask about stuff like pronouns and while i'd prefer to not say anything i feel a bit awkward doing that sometimes. i think in theory i should get over it and just express myself properly and refuse to give out pronouns but i haven't really put that into practice yet.
there isn't really a point to this post but this is what i'm thinking at the moment.
I feel similarly but only with self-identification. I find that it's easier for me to give pronoun options for others to address me, than to put a sticker word on my forehead and use that to let them make their own conclusions.

I've tried labels. They didn't work.
 
my problem is that either people will always call me “he”,or they will keep correcting other people to they. I just want a bit of variety. I get my “she” fix from the internet. Wish more people would try neos, or just use whatever, but not keep using the same thing.
 
Is there a reason why “any” doesn’t work for you. Sorry if this sounds condescending or mean-spirited I have my own problems with “any”, but is there something specific that you find annoying about it (for you to say)
i don't think this is condescending or mean-spirited at all

i guess generally my feeling is that like any description of myself (including pronouns) invites people to model or categorize me in their head, and i'm generally somewhat suspicious of humans' tendency to categorize each other, or at least i don't generally like when i am categorized. if i don't answer people sorta have to juggle me instead of putting me in a box, if that makes sense. if someone asks something about my gender they're presumably using that to decide how to treat me in some way or another, and i don't want to be treated differently on account of my gender. of course they may well infer things about my gender or use the fact that i don't want to give out my pronouns as information about me but in this case i'm not complicit in those assumptions being made.
 
... i'd like to think that at some point i could be happy with myself

It's possible, I promise. There aren't shortcuts to dealing with the feelings you're feeling, but it's a great first step to name them and seek help in dealing with them.

It's tough that you don't feel like you can open up to your family. I think one of the biggest things that perpetuates a negative feeling is the inability to really open up about it. In my experience, if you're not talking about how you're feeling and what you're going through, it still makes itself apparent in your life, but in worse ways. If it's accessible to you, and you're open to the idea, I'd really encourage you to see a therapist who can help you parse through your feelings.

And -- I'm glad to hear you have some supportive friends. Continue to lean on them as you go through this. Even if it doesn't make the feeling go away, it's one more layer of things you can lean on when things feel rough. :)
 
it's one of those days again where i just feel so miserable because of my sexuality, i've talked about it with friends before and they've been supportive, but this doesn't help. it won't make the feeling go away. the joke here is, i don't even know if i'm gay... i'm still confused and trying to understand my sexuality, for the longest time i was called "gay" by other people before i even properly knew what the word meant, and i'll be 100% honest it's stuck with me more than i've ever really admitted

a lot of this probably comes from my family being extremely conservative, it's not something i can really be open about, and i really do think that's made figuring myself out a lot harder, i know there's nothing inherently wrong with being gay, and if someone else told me they were struggling with this i'd never ever think there was anything wrong with them, but for some reason i can't give myself that same lenience and it severely depresses me. some days i'm completely fine and don't think about it much, and then other days i genuinely hate this part of myself and wish i could just be different, i'm tired of always crying about the same thing over and over, It's exhausting going back and forth between knowing i shouldn't feel ashamed and still feeling that shame anyway, this is so stupid lol

is there anyone here who also used to really struggle with accepting their sexuality but eventually became more comfortable with it? i don't want to spend forever feeling like this, and i'd like to think that at some point i could be happy with myself
I have a question: have you in any shape or form tried to have sexual or romantical relationships with other guys? Or are you waiting for the correct person to be able to explore your sexuality?

I mean, it is probably as you said. Growing in a conservative environment usually brings about this reluctance to accept onselef, regardless of your beliefs. And to be honest, it is probably not a question you should answer too outwardly if you remain in an unsafe space to do so. One of the worst experiences of queer growth tends to be fear of isolation, so always make sure that there's a caring community backing you up.

In my experience it is very scary. I remained in denial until I was 15-16 and after that I was scared shitless of coming out to other people. At that time I lived with someone who was very openly homophobic and , just like you, despite knowing it is ok, that hurdle made it hard to accept myself.

I probably don't need to tell you that there is nothing wrong with you. It is just a matter of time before you can fight your own prejudice. As the post above me said: attempting therapy might be a good way to start. It doesn't need to be a healing experience per se, but there being a space for you to verbalize your discomfort and seeing it through external lens might give you some insight.
 
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