A good question, with precedent going either way. Blaziken and Excadrill for example would tell you that the whole Pokemon is broken because of a single aspect. In their case a specific ability breaks them, leaving Blaze Blaziken and Mold Breaker Excadrill to cry in a corner. Latios and Latias would tell you that it's just the item that pushed them over the edge in the case of their precious Soul Dew. While I would think the item would just be banned, since the Mega Evolution is so heavily tied to that item, I don't think we can say for sure as of now because, again, Smogon precedent could have it go either way with how the banning process would work. We'll see in a few months...
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To be honest, I'm somewhat doubtful of that idea. Remember that Arceus' main gimmick is its Multitype ability, which is dependent on a held item, specifically Plates. The fact that Mega Evolution requires a Mega Stone to be held counteracts with that idea and basically makes the other forms of Arceus redundant when there is a Mega-Super-Ultra Arceus available.
Now, if they made a Mega Stone for each type of Arceus, THEN I could see it happening, but that's somewhat unlikely, I think.
First of all Mega Garchomp isn't broken yet. We don't know the details about it. Assuming it's a Kyurem-B with better typing, it'll definitely be OU, no question about it. I think you're underestimating the power items have on Pokemon. The only Megas I can see being Ubers, are Mewtwo (both forms), and Blaziken. Mega Lucario might be Ubers, but we can't tell for sure. Megas, although a dramatic change to the meta, won't be as big of a threat as you're making them out to be. The Megas for lower tier pokemon will probably move up a tier or two, like Mawile and Ampharos, while their original counterparts will stay in place.
I think it will come down to more visibility and ways to pass down IVs.
With the recent PGL tournament releasing the statement against hacked pokemon being banned and with the advent of the pokebank with it's "no hacked pokemon allowed" tagline, I think Gamefreak are trying their best to stop hackers and 3rd party software manipulation of pokemon.
The reason people feel they want/need to do this is obviously for competitive wi-fi so having more ability in-game to breed better pokemon will in turn reduce the need for people to turn to alternative methods to get their perfect IV's and Hidden Power spreads.
I was just using Chomp of an example of how we could possibly ban Megas as at time of writing it was the easiest current OU Mon I could think of that got a Mega. I'm not saying it's broken, I was saying if it was broken then we would ban it's Mega Stone.
To the second part of your post though I would like to discuss more. Do we consider Megas different Pokemon or the same? So could we have MegaChomp and normal Chomp on the same team? If Mewtwo is clearly Uber and MegaTwo X isn't, can we have MegaTwo X in OU? Or once a base Pokemon (Mewtwo) is banned do all it's Megas get banned as well? Do we consider them the same Pokemon such as we do Drizzle Toed and Water Absorb Toed or are they different like the Rotom forms? We haven't simply got Drizzle Toed as OU and Water Absorb Toed as UU. So if (for your example Mawile) would Mawile stay in it's low tier and MegaMawile become OU or would Mawile become OU due to the fact in can become it's Mega?
An item less blaziken is still a major threat and would inflict massive dents on most things in ou. So would mewtwo. Hypothetical situation. Say cherrim is broken but cherrim-sun form isn't, would we allow cherrim-sun to be usable but not it's base form cherrim? No we wouldn't because that's absurd since cherrim-sun can't even turn into sun form without normal cherrim. Same case with megas. If the base form is broken but the mega form isn't then would we allow the mega form but not the standard? Of course not since it's impossible to have a mega form without the base form anyhow.
Then by that logic if MegaMawile is good enough to be OU, wouldn't Mawile be OU too since it'd have to be used to get to MegaMawile?
Considering megamawile usage is directly proportional to Mawiles usage, and if megamawile breaks the Ou mark then obviously Mawile base form will be Ou. (Remember Ou means overused and mons are placed in here based on how often they are used and not by necessarily how good they are in the actual meta)
Thank you that's what I wanted clarified. Didn't make sense to assume Megas as different Pokemon. Looks like we could have a few different "Soul Dew"-esq clauses.
Oh definitely. If a megamon turns out to be too powerful/over centralizing then the community will just bandwagon for the base/mega form to be banned like how they would with anything else they deem as broken.
As for soul dew we all agree that lati@s with specs is a decent threat, now add in the option to change moves and throw in a 1.5x special def boost.... Yeah no. That'd be broken even by oh standards with only the bulkiest of special walls being able to avoid an ohko.
I feel like just the Mega will want to be banned. I mean if you can handle Ampharos normally but not it's Mega, then the Mega would be banned via banning the stone needed
Megas are getting far too much hype imo. No seriously, how are people seriously thinking a megamon will gain 40+ in a stat that will get only a "slight" increase in.
Isn't the Mega item exclusive to each Pokemon?
EDIT: Okay, if they're exclusive, then it's not an issue in the first place. We'll just ban Blazikenite/Mawilenite/whatever like we did with Soul Dew.
EDIT: Okay, if they're exclusive, then it's not an issue in the first place. We'll just ban Blazikenite/Mawilenite/whatever like we did with Soul Dew.
They are indeed but only one mon in your party can have a (insert mon name here)onite thus limiting you to one megaevo per team.
In regard to what would happen if a MegaEvo was deemed broken, the megastone itself would be banned just like how Soul Dew were banned on Lati@s. Its not that complicated people...
What I want to know is the result from this situation: If a pokemon mega-evolves and the opposing pokemon uses Knock Off, does the pokemon revert back to its normal form or does it stay meg evolved? I would assume it devolves back to its regular form so Knock Off would have a pretty nice niche next gen.
What I want to know is the result from this situation: If a pokemon mega-evolves and the opposing pokemon uses Knock Off, does the pokemon revert back to its normal form or does it stay meg evolved? I would assume it devolves back to its regular form so Knock Off would have a pretty nice niche next gen.
I highly doubt they are used up in battle. Remember, the Torchic distribution is holding a Blazikenite, which is apparently not available through regular gameplay. I don't think they'd make an event item that doesn't say Berry in its name disposable.
Jeez bronzong is gonna lose sooooo much utility with the type changes. Also the steel/ghost type we heard about is much less appealing defensively imo. As for the megaevos, I think that they'll mainly be used like set-up sweepers. However, stuff like Drought Charizard is great for one-time utility.
Sorry for any typos, I'm writing this on my phone :)
Sorry for any typos, I'm writing this on my phone :)
You expected a giant sword called Honededge to be a defensive mon? The hell?
Did you expect a murderous coffin to be one of the most solid walls in UU? Did you expect a tiny pufferfish to be capable of handling most physical attacks in the lower tiers?
But srsly, good point. I just liked the unique typing.
Doubt it seeing as you can only have one on your team at a time. If they expected mega evo still be so broken they made it 1 and done that would be a waste to even put it in. Also they have revealed two defensible powerhouses with this thing I don't think harm freak would douche people over by giving them a defensive pokemon that's only useable once, AND making that pokemon significantly less bulky because it missed out on lefties. Ex: mega venusaur has thick fat and defense increases. If you come in use your mega item, switch out, then come back in. You're weaker all around due less bulk (defensive stat wise), no lefties, and no more neutral coverage against fire and ice types.
Cofagrigus looks defensive....looks defensive as hell actually.
Quillfish wasn't suspected to be a good wall but as soon as it got intimidate I'm pretty sure no one was surprised at what it could do especially since tentalcruel showed us how good poison/water typing is from a defensive stand point
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