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Freeze dry sounds like the most dumb shit they could possibly come out with. The last thing we need is a move that actually has a good chance to freeze. If this thing is like scald in percentage chances (30%) then i can definitely see it being banned. Sleep moves being nerfed however is huge and will greatly improve the game overall by making such a ridiculous status condition, innefective against anyone of the many excellent grass types available.
 
IcyMan28 said:
As for Aurorus, I would immediately dismiss any hopes that it will be relevant in OU. Freeze Dry is awesome, yes, but its weaknesses are far too crippling for it to see any regular use. If anything, I'd expect Tyrantus to have more of a niche, what with the SpD boost from Sandstorm.
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I agree, while Aurorus has some rather unique and fascinating capabilities, its typing is most likely going to hold it back from OU, especially since Steel-type attacks will likely become all the more common to deal with Fairies. It could be potentially good if it got some really good stats and if Freeze Dry ends up being relevant or exclusive, but outside of that, I don't see Aurorus being very useful.

Tyrantus, on the other hand, could potentially be OU material. Being a Dragon type is definitely a big plus for it, even with the introduction of Fairies. Not to mention being a Dragon with a Sp.Def buff from Sandstorm, which could be really nice for it if it gets some decent enough bulk. That Jaw ability it has could also potentially be useful, especially if it gets the elemental Fangs, which is quite likely (maybe it could even get a nice Steel type Fang attack to handle Fairies). It really comes down to whether or not it gets good stats; if it's like Rampardos, where they just give it pure attack power and little else, then it probably won't do so well. But if they give it the traditional all-around solid stats that Dragons are known for, it could be a legitimate OU threat.
 
Sand Veil is based on percentages, and that was banned. I guess there wouldn't be a clause, just a move ban, if anything.
However, when you use something like Relic Song after you've already put a mon to sleep, I think if it tries to sleep something, PS just doesn't allow it to, and you continue playing. The game mechanics are changed in that case, which is almost exactly like the Freeze move.
 
You can be put to sleep by relic song/effect spore even if the clause has been activated. Percentages chances dont affect it. Sand veil was banned as a whole, not the chances of it activating.
 
I know about sand veil, bad example on my part. I should really test Relic song on the ladder, though. Do you lose it if activates? I think it just says 'sleep clause is active' and doesn't sleep them, like if you use Spore on a second target.
 
I believe the "un-written law" of WiFi battles if you break a clause such as Freeze Clause or Sleep clause you DC and lose. On an simulator though it simply says the clause is on and don't make them sleep.

Freeze Day could be a semi answer to rain teams or an awesome move on a lead Mon, particularly if it has 50%+ chance to freeze. I mean they open with a Toad and you cripple it with a super effective Ice move. Or make your opponent sac a Pokemon to freeze. Imagine if something got this and a sleeping move? That could be a crippling combination.

Back to Venasaur, I agree with it being a powerful Grass type due to the Spore immunity and extra damage to Fairy types. If it's Mega gets as bulky as we are thinking it will be, could be a seriously good wall with few weaknesses and strong STABs. Plus you can't poison it or make it sleep or paralyzed easily. Obviously there is Twave and Hypnosis still.
 
Something to be said for Aurosus is its ability Refrigerate changing Return to a STAB base 102 (so now 153) physical Ice-type attack with 100% accuracy, BEFORE it's boosted by the same.
 
The fact that the image was faked doesn't mean the Pokémon depicted won't get Mega Evolutions. After all, every such fake image represents an educated guess on the faker's part, so a lot of those Pokémon might actually turn out to get Mega Evolutions - but it will be a coincidence in this regard.

Given that Garchomp got a Mega Evolution, I think we can safely bet on the rest of the Pseudo Legendaries too. Funny enough, Hydreigon wasn't pictured in the fake image. I wonder how fabulous GameFreak eventually will make its neck hair.
 
The image isn't fake, it just isn't relevant to Mega Evolutions at all. I believe they were rental teams available for battling at whatever event had the demos. That's what I was told at least.

And as for it being predictive of future megas...maybe. It's super predictable and GF has thrown us less obvious pokes like Mawile and Ampharos.
 
using my katakana skills the first two characters at the top of that image are ME-GA, which is something...

if the image is not fake, then I'd bet that it is the final list of mega-mons. Half of these megamons are bound to suck without a re-typing (also, Mega-Meganium?) but the other half look like they could be insta-banned with any luck.

There are a few questions this image raises though; why Zangoose and not Seviper? Why is Mewtwo the only cover legendary? Why all the pseudo-legendaries except Hydreigon?
 
As a move, Freeze Dry seems interesting, since it is able to override the type chart. Not so much so the hax, but it's interesting to note that Scald thaws the user (and just about every "bulky water" type gets it). Also, Water is still neutral on Ice, making it a safe escape move to use.
 
You know, as much as I love MegaMawile, I'm starting to think it won't actually be that great in OU. Steel/Fairy is a cool defensive typing and Mawile has a bunch of good attributes, but in a tier with Lando-T and Heatran running around (assuming they're still fairly common) Mawile's fairly common weaknesses and awful Speed will let it down a lot. Sucker Punch and (possibly) Baby-Doll Eyes are priority, yes, but even with Huge Power they won't do a ton without setup.

MegaMawile on a Baton Pass team though... Baton Pass just got scarier. Of course, that's ignoring MegaBlaziken...
 
I wouldn't worry too much about MegaBlaziken; he's deemed uber with his current stats and ability, and unless there are some super-defensive new mons with great typing, I don't see how giving him more attack will allow him into OU

Of course, the turn used to use the Mega stone may be a detriment, but we don't know for sure how the mechanics will play out
 
Tbh I'm not super impressed with MegaMawile. Huge power is great, yeah, so it's a good attacker. But what exactly is it checking? "Steel/Fairy is best defensive type though!" I disagree. It doesn't resist fighting, it's weak to ground/fire (so what Dragons is it stopping again?), neutral to water and electric (ie not great vs rain or even sun) and lacks appreciable bulk or reliable recovery. I actually think the Steel typing is more of a hindrance to what Fairy seeks to do.
 
The thing about Fairy is that it doesn't need to actually BEAT the Dragons. Its mere existence deters the use of Dragon type moves, which effectively cripples them without even having to take them on 1v1. Think of it like any other immunity. If you're running Banded Terrakion and see Jellicent on the opponent's team, you will be less likely to use Close Combat because locking yourself into a move that can be switched in on for free causes you to lose serious momentum, and puts you in a bad spot. The same can be said of the relationship between Dragons and Fairies. If you have a Scarf Salamence on your team, and you notice a Mega Mawile on the opponent's side, then you will be MUCH less likely to click Outrage for fear that you might be forced to switch out as Mawile hits something else on your team hard. So you will more likely choose a coverage move, but this is an equally poor choice, as coverage moves tend to be weaker either because they are unSTABed (Earthquake in Salamence's case) or rely on an uninvested attacking stat (Fire Blast). These can easily be taken advantage of by the rest of the opponent's team. Obviously you could predict correctly and nail the Mawile on the switch, but the big picture is that Fairies are playing INSANE mindgames with Pokémon that used to be notorious for brainless spamming. As I said in the beginning of the post, the very existence of Fairies balance out Dragons.
 
Halcyon. said:
The thing about Fairy is that it doesn't need to actually BEAT the Dragons. Its mere existence deters the use of Dragon type moves, which effectively cripples them without even having to take them on 1v1. Think of it like any other immunity. If you're running Banded Terrakion and see Jellicent on the opponent's team, you will be less likely to use Close Combat because locking yourself into a move that can be switched in on for free causes you to lose serious momentum, and puts you in a bad spot. The same can be said of the relationship between Dragons and Fairies. If you have a Scarf Salamence on your team, and you notice a Mega Mawile on the opponent's side, then you will be MUCH less likely to click Outrage for fear that you might be forced to switch out as Mawile hits something else on your team hard. So you will more likely choose a coverage move, but this is an equally poor choice, as coverage moves tend to be weaker either because they are unSTABed (Earthquake in Salamence's case) or rely on an uninvested attacking stat (Fire Blast). These can easily be taken advantage of by the rest of the opponent's team. Obviously you could predict correctly and nail the Mawile on the switch, but the big picture is that Fairies are playing INSANE mindgames with Pokémon that used to be notorious for brainless spamming. As I said in the beginning of the post, the very existence of Fairies balance out Dragons.
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You are totally right While the fairy types may or may not have amazing stats and in many cases ice attacks will do more damage to dragons, an immunity is a huge deal. The existance of fairy type effectively ends the run of sets such as the old sub/roost/dd dragonite or CM/Sub/Roost latias whose only attack was dragon claw/pulse. The drop in power from outrage to dragon claw is very significant as well. Dragons will remain good pokemon with powerful stats and abilities but they wont be nearly the threat they have been in past generations.

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Immortal said:
You are totally right, I think this will be true to a greater degree than with any other immunity simply because of outrage. If the opponent has a fairy type there is no way you are going to risk spamming outrage and being unable to switch and being stuck doing zero damage for up to 3 turns while something like mega mawille tears you apart. If you accidentally close combat a jellicent, it sucks but you wont be locked and unable to switch like you would if you had a fairy type switch into outrage. While the fairy types may or may not have amazing stats and in many cases ice attacks will do more damage to dragons, an immunity is a huge deal. The existance of fairy type effectively ends the run of outrage in competitive play except maybe on choice sets who can run both dragon claw and outrage. it will also mean the death of sets such as the old sub/roost/dd dragonite whose only attack was dragon claw. The drop in power from outrage to dragon claw is very significant as well. Dragons will remain good pokemon with powerful stats and abilities but they wont be nearly the threat they have been in past generations.
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That's NOT how Outrage will work. It will be the same as if the opponent had used Protect that turn. So if they switch into turn 1, nothing happens and you switch out. If they switch in turn 2-3, the rampage ends in confusion automatically and you get confused.
You can try it with Thrash on Ghosts or even put Normalize on a Dragon type vs a Ghost in Hackmons.
Of course, they could change this in Gen 6, but I doubt it.
But you do have a good point with parashuffle Dnite and CM Latios losing the freedom to rock a single move with great coverage.
 
youngjake93 said:
That's NOT how Outrage will work. It will be the same as if the opponent had used Protect that turn. So if they switch into turn 1, nothing happens and you switch out. If they switch in turn 2-3, the rampage ends in confusion automatically and you get confused.
You can try it with Thrash on Ghosts or even put Normalize on a Dragon type vs a Ghost in Hackmons.
Of course, they could change this in Gen 6, but I doubt it.
But you do have a good point with parashuffle Dnite and CM Latios losing the freedom to rock a single move with great coverage.
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Oh okay my bad, i suppose what i said is possible if they really wanna screw over outrage, you never know what changes gen 6 will have. Either way dragons are still getting a huge nerf, especially the boosting sets
 
Immortal said:
Oh okay my bad, i suppose what i said is possible if they really wanna screw over outrage, you never know what changes gen 6 will have. Either way dragons are still getting a huge nerf, especially the boosting sets
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I would think the boosting sets would be the most viable, since they can switch to a coverage move or secondary STAB to defeat fairies (Garchomp could use earthquake for instance). Choice locked dragons are just asking for fairies to switch into their Outrages and Draco Meteors.
 
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