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Magnezone (Full Revamp) +

I'll go ahead and add a Rain Dance set, as Magnezone is a great user of Rain Dance and has many niches for using it, such as an absurtly high Special attack, Magnet Pull and its typing. I'll have to think about slot 4, Hidden Power Grass is a great option for that though.

I've found Signal Beam to be a viable option on Specs and Scarf magnezones to deal with Celebi. Modest 252 Atk Signal Beams OHKOs 252/220 Without specs, as well as the Uber Lead Celebi.
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I wasn't even aware that Magnezone got that move (which I just conformed from Shoddy lol). Thanks, it is definetely worth an Other Options mention, and maybe even a mention on the Choice Scarf set.
 
Other options probably, since Specs Flash Cannon does quite a bit I'm sure, and I do believe it can lower SpDef too if Celebi tries to outstall.

Actually RL, you're sort of being misleading here. Choice Specs Thunderbolt has a 0% chance of OHKOing Scizor without Stealth Rock, 53% with. Any bulkier set will always survive. It also never OHKOs Forretress. There is some merit for Hidden Power Fire.
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a 252 HP Scizor (the bulkiest sweeping Scizor you will find) will take 81-96% from a Timid Choice Specs Thunderbolt, which is a 59% chance to OHKO with Stealth Rock. If Scizor does survive, the damn thing is dead anyway from recoil damage. I doubt anyone will ever use more defensive EVs than that on a Bullet Punch / Brick Break / SD / Roost set. Then, consider the fact that more often than not, you are switching Magnezone in on a Scizor Bullet Punch, meaning that 1 attack recoil + Stealth Rock (which is going to be 90% of the circumstances) now means you have a 100% chance of OHKOing that Scizor. Have a nice day!

It won't OHKO Forry? WTF???

Timid 252 Atk Choice Specs Thunderbolt to 252 HP Forry: 99.7-118%

If you are referring to IPL's Max HP / Max Sp Def Spread, than I think its safe to say that it is extremely rare that you will find those according to Doug's statistics:

| Forretress | SpAttack EV | None | 99.6 |
| Forretress | SpDefense EV | None | 76.6 |
| Forretress | SpDefense EV | Max | 7.0 |
 
If Scizor survives Timid Specs Thunderbolt (41% chance), he can use Brick Break or Superpower on Magnezone. Superpower off LO Max Att. Adamant Scizor will always OHKO without SR (102.79-121.36%). HP Fire is an insurance against Scizor, as well as allowing Magnezone to trap other Mags and beat them, and take on Mamoswine if it is Scarfed or Magnet Rised.

Besides, Magnezone's main purpose isn't to gain coverage against many different types, but rather to act as the best steel counter, and Scizor is the most common Steel Pokemon (and the most common OU pokemon). Specs Magnezone only 2HKOs Bronzong and Metagross, meaning they can hit back with Earthquake. Non-Choice Magnezone, however, can Magnet Rise (Metagross is rarely Jolly and usually doesn't have Speed EVs) to avoid Earthquake, and Substitute to protect itself from Hypnosis. Better still, the Substitute will not be broken by any attack save Explosion and Hammer Arm (lol) (even CB Meteor Mash will never break a Sub).

And Magnezone will only be revenge killing Salamance if he is locked into Outrage.
 
Your missing the point.

Scizor is checkmated 100% by Choice Specs Magnezone. If you are switching Mag in on Scizor (which you should), Life Orb recoil brings it into OHKO range and this is considering the bulkiest possible Scizor that will carry a fighting move. If Scizor switches into Magnezone (which NEVER happens), it still has a 60% chance of dying in one hit, and if it survives and attacks, again... its dead. Specs Magnezone is beating every steel in the game except Lucario and Heatran. Scarf Magnezone is beating every steel in the game except... Metagross, Bronzong, and Heatran. Steel Killer Magnezone is beating every steel in the game except... Metagross, Heatran, and Lucario... so pick your poison. If you don't believe me, run calcs. I've used all 3 extensively. The benefit to using Specs Magnezone is the fact that it accomplishes the task of revenge killing Scizor in addition to laying a serious hurt on everything else.
 
What if the Scizor used Swords Dance? It wouldn't receive LO recoil, and it then has a 41% chance to survive Specs Thunderbolt and OHKO with Brick Break / Superpower (admittely, killing him in the process).

And what do you mean by a serious hurt? Metagross will survive Thunderbolt and OHKO back with Earthquake, while Bronzong can Earthquake for a large portion of Magnezone's Health or Hypnosis.
 
Uh...

Generally, Magnezone isn't usually sent blindly into a full health Scizor, you know. The player is smart enough to avoid doing that in most cases.
 
What if you're facing a jolly scizor with super power? Then what are you going to do...I don't care if that shit is never used, it's still a possiblility, making specy maggy not 100% scizor counter.
 
No one said it was. However, in almost any battle you will never need a 100% counter to anything, especially if you can trap and kill it.
 
What if you're facing a jolly scizor with super power? Then what are you going to do...I don't care if that shit is never used, it's still a possiblility, making specy maggy not 100% scizor counter.
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Lets not get ahead of ourselves.

Generally, Magnezone isn't usually sent blindly into a full health Scizor, you know. The player is smart enough to avoid doing that in most cases.
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Your right, Magnezone is sent into a 90% health Scizor (or 77% due to Stealth Rock!). Its pretty easy to see a Scizor coming in to revenge your 1 HP Azelf. In that case, I doubt its going to Superpower blindly. A bit of prediction traps and kills Scizor, just like any other Trapper. Good prediction gets Tyranitar in on Scarfgar's Shadow Ball. Good prediction gets Dugtrio in on Jolteon or Electivire's Thunderbolt...
 
I'm confused on some of the debating here. Is the SpecsZone we're talking about Timid or Modest? Either way, does it still outspeed the most common Scizor? What are the EVs for that?

I ask because I will DEFINITELY switch my Timid Scarfzone to SpecsZone and change HP Fire to HP Ice or something if he can still outspeed Scizor.
 
Timid SpecsZone outspeed most Scizor (pretty much all). But he isn't garunteed a kill with T-bolt (but pretty close after LO and SR + other damage).
 
OK but what if u run into a leftovers Magnezone with the set: Sub, charge beam, HP ice, Thunderbolt after killing something with t-bolt
First it Charge Beams until +6. Then, just when ur about 2 die, it uses Sub and Magnet Rise. Now what?
 
seriously just stop arguing, he said hes gonna put it in there, so whats the point of this discussion
 
You can't run Sub / Thunderbolt / Hp Ice / Charge Beam / Magnet Rise Magnezone.

Also, good luck finding set up fodder for that style of set.
 
I think Magnezones best set is still the steel killer. If you want to revenge kill Scizor, then you should use the steel killer over specs. Sub once to block the super power then tbolt matches the specs set in power. You may be able to get away with a sub still intact. I think the possibility of setting up a sub against a steel type should be made more mention of.

Specs and Scarf are pretty much identical, you will be using them in pretty much the same way, except with Scarf being more useful against Lucario, Heatran and possible max speed Scizors, and Specs more useful against anything else.

Have a nice day.
 
Hipmonlee said:
I think Magnezones best set is still the steel killer. If you want to revenge kill Scizor, then you should use the steel killer over specs. Sub once to block the super power then tbolt matches the specs set in power. You may be able to get away with a sub still intact. I think the possibility of setting up a sub against a steel type should be made more mention of.

Specs and Scarf are pretty much identical, you will be using them in pretty much the same way, except with Scarf being more useful against Lucario, Heatran and possible max speed Scizors, and Specs more useful against anything else.

Have a nice day.
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What? You switch in on Scizor and then set up Sub, it's gonna be gone from Superpower. The sub will NOT stay intact against a Superpower.
 
I'm not sure if this is what you meant Hip, but Superpower doesn't lower Special Defense. That's the only reason I can make out for why you said "then tbolt matches the specs set in power".
 
The original Steel Killer is, IMO, Magnezone's best set as well. It still makes Bronzong a set-up fodder Pokemon, and Choice Band Scizor or those lacking a Fighting-type attack are also a good way for Magnezone to set-up. I think Scarf should follow; it really does play different and is another one of those "nifty" checks to Lucario. Specs should probably follow that, then the All-Out Attacker, and then anything else.
 
Have you guys actually run that set? I'm gonna be honest, the Steel-Killer set is not very good. It can trap steels all it wants, but it can't actually do anything to KO them. It has nothing that's super effective against them and they (Heatran, Lucario, Scizor, Bronzong) can all OHKO Magnezone easily. It might be able to OHKO Lucario but that's about it. If you're not using Specs, HP Fire or Ground is necessary.
 
oh sorry, I confused it with close combat. I do that a lot!

Yes I have used the steel killer set. It doesnt counter Heatran or Lucario well, but it is more than effective enough against Bronzong, and it kills Scizor at 66% (apparently). Which is only requires dealing 12% damage beforehand with SR and one turns LO recoil.

Not to mention Skarmory or Jirachi..

Have a nice day.
 
YOOM-TAH said:
Have you guys actually run that set? I'm gonna be honest, the Steel-Killer set is not very good. It can trap steels all it wants, but it can't actually do anything to KO them. It has nothing that's super effective against them and they (Heatran, Lucario, Scizor, Bronzong) can all OHKO Magnezone easily. It might be able to OHKO Lucario but that's about it. If you're not using Specs, HP Fire or Ground is necessary.
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... Steel Killer Magnezone is the best set against most steels. You Magnet Rise against Bronzong so Earthquake doesn't hit you, set up a Sub to block Hypnosis, and use Thunderbolt. Who cares if you don't OHKO or even 2HKO? Bronzong is dead, and the best it can do is explode on a Sub. Same goes for Metagross, and most other steels are handled even easier, not only leaving your Magnezone well and truly alive, but Magnet Rised and behind a Sub.

And the whole discussion above was about using HP Fire in place of HP Ice so it does counter Scizor better than the Specs (which is still generally effective, but not as effective, and it's not a good option against Bronzong and especially Metagross).

The only Steels that the Steel Killer cannot beat are Heatran and Lucario (and Scizor without HP Fire). And no Magnezone set can beat Heatran. HP Ground Magnezone will never beat Scarfed Heatran; HP Ground is a poor option.
 
Any opinions on the rest talker? I'll thinking along the lines of scrap it, but I wanted to get some opinions.
 
Other Options IMO. I've only used it once, and that was WAY back. It's alright, but not as effective as I thought it would be.
 
Ok, that's what I figured.

Anyway, this does need more work, but the sets are pretty close to being done. Rain Dance needs work, I'll test it/ figure it out. I'm thinking Reflect/ Light Screen or something could work on it as well.

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