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Pokémon Medicham

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thdhted said:
I don't understand all the hate, mega medicham is actually pretty good.
yes it has low bulk and iffy speed, but the speed and bulk it does have is enough to function fairly well.
granted its bulk is low it IS enough to take a priority attack from just about anything that isn't aeigislash, which no smart person would stay in on anyways.
also it has good coverage on moves, let's say that the opponent has a gengar on the predicted switch to said gengar it gets smacked by a OHKO psycho cut.
also its speed while not blisteringly fast is good enough to kill many threats, particularly mega garchomp and a few other megas that it outspeeds and REALLY don't like taking a hjk to the face (kqngaskan).
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Except that nobody is ever going to bring said Pokemon in against M-Medicham. They're going to bring in Aegislash, or Talonflame or Megakhan after the switch.

'Good enough to kill many threats' doesn't cut it when you're competing for a team slot with Megakhan, who is better at Wallbreaking, and Megacario, who is better at sweeping. What can Megacham do that those two can't?
 
TheEvergreenChameleon said:
Except that nobody is ever going to bring said Pokemon in against M-Medicham. They're going to bring in Aegislash, or Talonflame or Megakhan after the switch.

'Good enough to kill many threats' doesn't cut it when you're competing for a team slot with Megakhan, who is better at Wallbreaking, and Megacario, who is better at sweeping. What can Megacham do that those two can't?
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yes, but you forget that if mega Chan is out it will kill them on the switch as both are weak to its STAB

you could technically say that mega medi, can check a large number of the megas at this point, and as long as you are not stupid in using it you can wipe out large #s of pokemon

yes the other two are more powerful, but medi is not ohko'ed by lucario outright and unless you already have mega kanga out, they are ohko'ed right back

also, megacham can fill both roles with support (but what poke doesn't) as it has amazing offense and enough speed to sweep on its own especially against walls that completely stop kanga or lucario (gliscor anyone?) with ice punch
it also kills mega agron who can take a close combat and then kill with earthquake.

I'm not saying that mega Chan is the best mega, just that it has it's own strengths and its own special niche in the meta. I do think that mega medi should be OU at least though
 
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Did that really require 4 posts? You could have just edited your first post to include your other thoughts.

In any case, it's a real shame that Megacham can't really keep pace with some of the more popular Gen 6 mons; this thing has ridiculous firepower and pretty good coverage.
 
The three pokes all are vying for a sweeping/wallbreaking spot as a mega but they each do their own thing. Khan has the ability to break washes, subs, etc; Lucario can break a wall and then sweep if it had an ability to set up at all; and Cham has the ability to break a wall that the opponent thinks is safe. Even a predicted Aegislash switch isnt safe if you're running Fire Punch. It may not kill but it will sure put a free dent into it. Versatility I guess is the best term to use for it.
 
duckberg said:
Cham has the ability to break a wall that the opponent thinks is safe. Even a predicted Aegislash switch isnt safe if you're running Fire Punch. It may not kill but it will sure put a free dent into it. Versatility I guess is the best term to use for it.
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exactly my point, medicham exels at mind games because you have to know what it has. Gliscor and dragon types fear ice punch, aegislash doesn't like fire punch, and talonflame fears thunderpunch, heck even skarmory doesn't like hjk on a switch

in fact most things don't really like having mega medicham hjk them

alright so, in order to keep this thread going, does anyone have a good set for mega medicham?

my preferred set is as is:

medicham@medichamite
240atk/252spd/12hp adamant nature
moveset: drain punch,hi jump kick, psycho cut, ice punch.

very good wallbreaking slash sweeping potential with drain punch to refill health after priority/revenge killers that fail. Ice punch for bulky Pokemon like gliscor and dragons like dragonite.

in fact I have actually noticed something. Mega medicham seems to be the anti mega Pokemon. Listed here are pokes that are weak against its STABs: lucario, kanga, aggron, venasaur, tyranitar, gengar, heracross, blaziken, gayrados and maybe one or two others. This thing might not be a straightforward counter to them but it is an excellent check if already out
edit: this does not include megas which are weak to the elemental punches, which means there are a lot more that are weak to it
 
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thdhted said:
in fact I have actually noticed something. Mega medicham seems to be the anti mega Pokemon. Listed here are pokes that are weak against its STABs: lucario, kanga, aggron, venasaur, tyranitar, gengar, heracross, blaziken, gayrados and maybe one or two others. This thing might not be a straightforward counter to them but it is an excellent check if already out
edit: this does not include megas which are weak to the elemental punches, which means there are a lot more that are weak to it
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Kid, I'd advise you to stop double/triple/quadruple posting to bump a thread. If you have more to say, edit your original post.
 
thdhted said:
yes, but you forget that if mega Chan is out it will kill them on the switch as both are weak to its STAB

you could technically say that mega medi, can check a large number of the megas at this point, and as long as you are not stupid in using it you can wipe out large #s of pokemon

yes the other two are more powerful, but medi is not ohko'ed by lucario outright and unless you already have mega kanga out, they are ohko'ed right back

also, megacham can fill both roles with support (but what poke doesn't) as it has amazing offense and enough speed to sweep on its own especially against walls that completely stop kanga or lucario (gliscor anyone?) with ice punch
it also kills mega agron who can take a close combat and then kill with earthquake.

I'm not saying that mega Chan is the best mega, just that it has it's own strengths and its own special niche in the meta. I do think that mega medi should be OU at least though
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Since when does Gliscor stop either Mega-Kang or Mega-Luke?

Anyway, I don't think this has any business taking on Aeigislash and HJK does a number to pretty much any other steel type, so I am interested in testing the following set.

Bulk Up
HJK
Psycho Cut
Ice Punch

Pretty impressive anti stall pokemon. Even before a boost, its +0 hjk hits harder then a fucking adamant cbnite outrage. Base 100 spd is plenty to do damage with and Bulk up protects it against all priority barring Talonflame and Aeigislash. Might test it with Tyranitar as a partner to make sure I can get rid of Talonflame and MegaGengar.
 
I hate facing this thing but loving using it

I'm no stranger to Pokemon with overkill Attack stats, but it's always been possible to just barely get by, you know? It seems like people are completely obvious to the fact that it gets Fire Punch. I like throwing it out to catch just about every Medicham check in the game (bar Gliscor/Landorus who get murked by Ice Punch)

Mega Medicham takes no prisoners!
 
I know, most people never seem to think medicham can carry elemental punches. So many people send out togekiss and get smacked by ice punch, or send in azumarill and die to thunderpunch
 
I think a set consisting of Drain Punch (Recovery) Psycho Cut, Ice Punch, and Thunder Punch is effective. Drain Punch and Psycho Cut are the obvious STABs, Ice Punch gets rid of Gliscor, Landorus-T, and Garchomp on the switch, while Thunder Punch disposes of any Talonflame switching in, Togekiss, and Azumarill. I don't see much use in Bullet Punch, as while it is a neat priority move, there really isn't much it can get past, seeing as Mega Gengar is now going Uber.
 
Celon said:
I think a set consisting of Drain Punch (Recovery) Psycho Cut, Ice Punch, and Thunder Punch is effective. Drain Punch and Psycho Cut are the obvious STABs, Ice Punch gets rid of Gliscor, Landorus-T, and Garchomp on the switch, while Thunder Punch disposes of any Talonflame switching in, Togekiss, and Azumarill. I don't see much use in Bullet Punch, as while it is a neat priority move, there really isn't much it can get past, seeing as Mega Gengar is now going Uber.
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This set is not bad, acutally i never considered ice punch. I think it can be usefull, but IMHO M-Medicham is too slow for metagame...i mean: great attack power but when i used that in battle spot it has been OTK too much time...
 
No, mega medicham's speed is actually quite good enough for a sweeping role as it has enough bulk to take a hit and heal with drain punch. And, ABSOLUTELY nothing like hjk in the face
 
thdhted said:
No, mega medicham's speed is actually quite good enough for a sweeping role as it has enough bulk to take a hit and heal with drain punch. And, ABSOLUTELY nothing like hjk in the face
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Kangaskhan can easly overspeed Medicham...and so also gengar.
I agree, it's a quite good speed but will you put Mega-M as your 1st pokèmon and take this risk?
 
mega khan speed ties with mega medicham and can kill gengar on the switch
mega medicham can also usually take an unboosted hit from khan and kill with drain punch depending on the EV spread
 
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porky said:
oh whoops, will fix that EV spread

also I kind of failed to mention that the mega evolution mechanics not speeding you up for your evolution turn are a problem for megacham. The 80-100 speed tier is pretty big. I guess thats another one of it's flaws.
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I have noticed a big problem with this...I was able to fix it by running fake out.
 
MegaScizor said:
I have noticed a big problem with this...I was able to fix it by running fake out.
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Fake Out means you sacrificed coverage that Medicham desperately needs for a weak, situational attack that lets its counters switch in for next to no cost. Just switch Medicham into something it can force out in the first place (slower things like Blissey, Ferrothorn, Heatran, etc.) or maybe even revenge with Bullet Punch, which is infinitely better seeing as it has use outside of the first turn you switch in. Fake Out is garbage, you might live the first turn it takes to Mega but you invite all of your counters in, become very predictable, and lose a valuable moveslot. I'd rather run something like Protect, at least that would allow me to scout the opposing team.
 
medicham really can't afford to run fake out or protect because it is meant to wallbreak and maybe sweep, which, when it is faster than the other Pokemon, it does sweep very nicely
 
Well this is how I run my MegaCham:

252 Atk/252 Spe/ 4Def Adamant~

-Psycho Cut (Psychic STAB)
-Drain Punch (Hi Jump Kick is also useful but the fall damage does too much for my taste when it misses)
-Ice Punch (For predictable Gliscor or MegaChomp switch-ins)
-Fake Out (For that speed boost to kick in, unless there's a predictable switch)

It's been proven pretty useful for me. It DOES let you down sometimes, but doesn't every mon?
 
superMarth said:
Kangaskhan can easly overspeed Medicham...and so also gengar.
I agree, it's a quite good speed but will you put Mega-M as your 1st pokèmon and take this risk?
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Both of these megas are ban lets stop comparing MegaCham to them (though Normal Gengar is still out there we know it outspeeds move on)

In my opinion the great thing about MedaCham is its movepool being huge....like if Gallade had a mega-evo with his movepool. It greats amazing dual STAB, recovery moves, elemental coverage, some priority, great ability.......need i go on? As said before the mindgames of what elemental punches it has is the biggest problem for the opposing side. I think the question on any set is running Tpunch or Firepunch (since you WILL need Icepunch for stuff lile Gliscor)
 
Okay, I gotta say that Medicham is my favorite Mega. It's just so fun to use, it OHKOs nearly anything with HJK and coverage moves and 2HKOs even things like Skarmory and Hippodown. I just look at my opponents team and say to myself "Medicham outspeeds three things in there, OHKOs four, 2HKOs Skarmory and I'll just use Mandibuzz for that Aegislash."

I'm using it to great effect on a semi-stall team. Just wait until I get a chance to bring it out (usually on a predicted switch. Rotom-W is a HUGE one), OHKO something, then switch out to a wall before it can be revenge killed. Rinse and repeat.

It smashes walls and defensive cores, it's just great. Highly underrated Mega.

Only problem is figuring out what moves it should have. Right now I've been using HJK, Psycho Cut, Ice Punch and either of Thunder or Bullet Punch.
 
me personally, I run my set like this,

16hp/240+atk/252speed

drain punch
high jump kick
ice punch
psycho cut.
basically the aim of this custom set is to wallbreak and try to sweep, with ice punch murkin one of ou's best walls/tanks, gliscor high jump kick kills every non-ghost not named either skarmory or fortress psycho cut gives good coverage, and drain punch allows mega medicham to keep dishing it out for longer and allows it to semi scout for protect users and allows it to alleviate priority damage. Anything this set does not cover is pretty much covered by rotom-h for aegislash and talon flame
 
thdhted said:
me personally, I run my set like this,

16hp/240+atk/252speed

drain punch
high jump kick
ice punch
psycho cut.
basically the aim of this custom set is to wallbreak and try to sweep, with ice punch murkin one of ou's best walls/tanks, gliscor high jump kick kills every non-ghost not named either skarmory or fortress psycho cut gives good coverage, and drain punch allows mega medicham to keep dishing it out for longer and allows it to semi scout for protect users and allows it to alleviate priority damage. Anything this set does not cover is pretty much covered by rotom-h for aegislash and talon flame
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What's your reasoning for the HP EVs and the Adamant nature?
 
Non-Mega Medicham itself is slow and fragile, and is a bit hard to get Mega-Evolved. Mega-Evolving to 100 base speed early in the game is necessary: being stuck at 80-speed during endgame may result in a dead-weight Mega. It is important to remember that Medicham is weaker than CB Iron Fist Conkeldurr when it comes to the punches, so Medicham's niche is his massive speed.

IE: Drain Punch shennanigans is almost exclusively better on Conkeldurr... especially if you're gimping Medicham's speed by running Adamant. Conkeldurr has better attack and bulk to boot. He also doesn't take up a Mega-Slot.

Anyway, I've been testing out an offensive wall-breaking core of (Jolly) Medicham + Specs Flash Fire Chandelure. Whenever Chandelure switches into an obvious Will-o-Wisp, teams go down... hard.

Specs + Flash Fire Fire Blast 2HKOs Blissey (along with everyone else in the game).

In particular, Sableye is a very common Medicham switch-in, and Foul Play seems to be the best it can do vs Chandelure. I also switch Chandelure into Rotom more often than not. Getting tricked "Specs for Scarf" isn't a bad tradeoff, and the Will-o-Wisp only makes Chandelure stronger. (I don't think anyone has actually used Hydropump on the Medicham -> Chandelure switch yet... probably because they're assuming a Chansey switchin)
 
I like Mega Medicham, I really do. That being said, it's a little too slow, gets wrecked by Aegislash, Talonflame, and priority in general, and has a bit of 4MSS going along with it, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but it's not a good thing either. So it's not really worth a Mega slot in OU. That being said, though, it does KO a lot of things. It's kind of scary.

Rotom-W can handle Talonflame at least, and perhaps burn Aegislash, so it's not like its checks and counters are unmanageable, but still, this things not exactly worthy of a Mega slot. Neat Mega Evo though.
 
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