Metagame Megamons

Thought I'd volunteer and make a rough VR for Megamons.

Do note, this is a rough list made by one person and NOT a final product or be-all end-all list. I may very well be wrong on these or even be missing some and I apologize if I am. Just about everything is up for discussion and you can discuss about placements if you want, this is just an approximation of what I feel their placements are and not necessarily factual.




(ROUGH) Megamons Viability Ranking List


Rank Placement Definitions:
  • S Rank: Absolute powerhouse of the tier. Universal staples that you MUST be prepared for at all times or you risk being completely swept away because of their mere presence.
  • A Rank: Solid meta contenders. It’s possible to beat these without focusing specifically on them, but they can still provide excellent support or powerful muscle for any team and should be addressed before starting the meta. These are the meta’s staples that offer great reward for only minor risk.
  • B Rank: Okay, just not the best. While not as generally amazing as A Rank, these are still live meta threats that can, in the right hands, be very successful. Not always easy to splash in and run, but can be just as effective as A Rank when properly piloted.
  • C Rank: Niche, but still usable. There might be better options to choose from, but it is still possible to use these as niche if not admittedly gimmicky options. They work, but you need to be exceptionally skilled to make them work at their fullest.
  • D Rank: Just no. Whether it by their lack of overall usability, being outclassed by others, or simply being in the wrong environment, there is little to no reason to run these seriously in the meta.
S Rank:
Arceus (no specific formes)
Groudon-Primal
Mewtwo-Mega-X
Salamence-Mega


A+ Rank:
Lucario-Mega
Marshadow
Mawile-Mega

A Rank:
Gyarados-Mega
Kyogre-Primal
Necrozma-Dusk-Mane

A- Rank:
Diancie-Mega
Kangaskhan-Mega
Scizor-Mega
Slowbro-Mega
Xerneas


B+ Rank:
Beedrill-Mega
Charizard-Mega-Y
Lunala
Metagross-Mega
Yveltal

B Rank:
Aerodactyl-Mega
Ho-oh
Medicham-Mega
Sableye-Mega
Tyranitar-Mega

B- Rank:
Aggron-Mega
Alakazam-Mega
Giratina
Latias-Mega
Latios-Mega
Lopunny-Mega
Lugia
Pheromosa
Venusaur-Mega


C+ Rank:
Aegislash
Audino-Mega
Ferrothorn
Gardevoir-Mega
Manectric-Mega
Pinsir-Mega
Zekrom

C Rank:
Altaria-Mega
Banette-Mega
Blastoise-Mega
Camerupt-Mega
Deoxys-Speed
Garchomp-Mega
Steelix-Mega
Swampert-Mega

C- Rank:
Charizard-Mega-X
Glalie-Mega
Heracross-Mega
Pidgeot-Mega


D Rank:
Absol-Mega
Abomasnow-Mega
Ampharos-Mega
Gallade-Mega
Houndoom-Mega
Sceptile-Mega
Sharpedo-Mega


Lolbanned Rank:
Blaziken-Mega
Gengar-Mega
Mewtwo-Mega-Y
 
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Thought I'd volunteer and make a rough VR for Megamons.

Do note, this is a rough list made by one person and NOT a final product or be-all end-all list. I may very well be wrong on these or even be missing some and I apologize if I am. Just about everything is up for discussion and you can discuss about placements if you want, this is just an approximation of what I feel their placements are and not necessarily factual.




(ROUGH) Megamons Viability Ranking List


Rank Placement Definitions:
  • S Rank: Absolute powerhouse of the tier. Universal staples that you MUST be prepared for at all times or you risk being completely swept away because of their mere presence.
  • A Rank: Solid meta contenders. It’s possible to beat these without focusing specifically on them, but they can still provide excellent support or powerful muscle for any team and should be addressed before starting the meta. These are the meta’s staples that offer great reward for only minor risk.
  • B Rank: Okay, just not the best. While not as generally amazing as A Rank, these are still live meta threats that can, in the right hands, be very successful. Not always easy to splash in and run, but can be just as effective as A Rank when properly piloted.
  • C Rank: Niche, but still usable. There might be better options to choose from, but it is still possible to use these as niche if not admittedly gimmicky options. They work, but you need to be exceptionally skilled to make them work at their fullest.
  • D Rank: Just no. Whether it by their lack of overall usability, being outclassed by others, or simply being in the wrong environment, there is little to no reason to run these seriously in the meta.
S Rank:
Arceus (no specific formes)
Groudon-Primal
Mewtwo-Mega-X
Salamence-Mega


A+ Rank:
Lucario-Mega
Marshadow
Mawile-Mega

A Rank:
Gyarados-Mega
Kyogre-Primal
Necrozma-Dusk-Mane

A- Rank:
Diancie-Mega
Kangaskhan-Mega
Scizor-Mega
Slowbro-Mega
Xerneas


B+ Rank:
Beedrill-Mega
Charizard-Mega-Y
Lunala
Metagross-Mega
Yveltal

B Rank:
Aerodactyl-Mega
Ho-oh
Medicham-Mega
Sableye-Mega
Tyranitar-Mega

B- Rank:
Aggron-Mega
Alakazam-Mega
Giratina
Latias-Mega
Latios-Mega
Lugia
Pheromosa
Venusaur-Mega


C+ Rank:
Aegislash
Audino-Mega
Ferrothorn
Gardevoir-Mega
Lopunny-Mega
Manectric-Mega
Pinsir-Mega
Zekrom

C Rank:
Altaria-Mega
Banette-Mega
Blastoise-Mega
Camerupt-Mega
Deoxys-Speed
Garchomp-Mega
Steelix-Mega
Swampert-Mega

C- Rank:
Charizard-Mega-X
Glalie-Mega
Heracross-Mega
Pidgeot-Mega


D Rank:
Absol-Mega
Abomasnow-Mega
Ampharos-Mega
Gallade-Mega
Houndoom-Mega
Sceptile-Mega
Sharpedo-Mega


Lolbanned Rank:
Blaziken-Mega
Gengar-Mega
Mewtwo-Mega-Y
Wow, that looks awesome!
Personally, I'd move Lopunny to B or so. The Endure + Salac + Flail set can destroy unprepared HO teams and counter many Choice-locked mons. Alternatively a banded set can be run to surprise things that avoid attacking (predicting Endure).
 
Going to post my thoughts on the following mons:

Salamence-Mega @ Life Orb / Sky Plate / Yache Berry
Ability: Aerilate
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Double-Edge / Return
- Earthquake / Facade
- Roost

Salamence-Mega @ Choice Band
Ability: Aerilate
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly / Adamant Nature
- Double-Edge
- Facade
- Earthquake
- Filler

Salamence-Mega @ Flame Orb
Ability: Aerilate
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Facade
- Iron Defense
- Roost

Very problematic mon IMO and can be possibly suspected, lacks switch-ins because it can tie with Arceus forms and it 2HKOs then with either Double-Edge or Earthquake (for like Rockceus). Not even MegaBro can answer this reliably without the correct moveset, as only Ice Beam + Iron Defense can answer all variant (You need Ice Beam for Flame Orb and Iron Defense for Yache). And then they bring Adamant Band and 2HKO you... The other possible answer is Celesteela but that gets worned down by repeated Double-Edges and lacks reliable recovery. On the possible viability rankings that is coming out soon this should be like S+ with PDon.

Mewtwo-Mega-X @ Life Orb
Ability: Steadfast
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Jolly / Naive Nature
- Low Kick
- Ice Beam
- Shadow Ball
- Zen Headbutt / Taunt / Filler

Mewtwo-Mega-X @ Life Orb
Ability: Steadfast
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Jolly / Naive Nature
- Drain Punch
- Zen Headbutt
- Bulk Up
- Shadow Ball

Personally I don't find this mon that bad, it needs Ice Beam to hit stuff like MegaMence, Shadow Ball to hit MegaBro and Lunala, which leaves little room to break through sturdy answers like Defensive Ho-Oh and Fairyceus. It also doesn't force out as many mons as Mence and PDon can check it if needed.

Lucario-Mega @ Life Orb
Ability: Adaptability
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Swords Dance
- Close Combat
- Meteor Mash
- Bullet Punch

Lucario-Mega @ Fightinium Z
Ability: Adaptability
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Nasty Plot
- Focus Blast
- Flash Cannon
- Vacuum Wave

Lucario-Mega @ Choice Band
Ability: Adaptability
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Close Combat
- Meteor Mash
- Bullet Punch
- Rock Slide / Bone Rush

The most scary aspect of this mon is its ability to boost with either SD or NP along with the powerful priority it packs. However, it is basically hard walled by Ho-Oh and MegaBro if not NP (and Pex). Groundceus can switch in to eat a CC and retaliate with Judgment, and Groudon can check if unboosted. The good thing is it cannot boost its speed so it can be RKed by faster mons that can take either a +2 Bullet Punch or Vacuum Wave.

Groudon @ Red Orb
Ability: Drought
EVs: 252 SpA / 100 SpD / 156 Spe
Mild Nature
- Rock Polish
- Precipice Blades
- Fire Blast
- Hidden Power Ice

Groudon @ Red Orb
Ability: Drought
EVs: 144 HP / 156 Atk / 56 SpD / 152 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Swords Dance
- Precipice Blades
- Rock Tomb

Groudon @ Red Orb
Ability: Drought
EVs: 252 Atk / 100 SpD / 156 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Rock Polish
- Swords Dance
- Precipice Blades
- Stone Edge

Despite the popularity of MegaMence as long as PDon has Rock moves or HPI it isn't actually a problem and can actually check it in cases. RP PDon is so good against offense and is honestly its best set in this metagame with its ability to break past MegaMence and Bro. Other sets are interesting too to break past checks like Ho-Oh and Max Def Chansey. Also has amazing defensive utility as it has immense bulk to blanket check a lot of physical attackers.

Diancie-Mega @ Focus Sash
Ability: Magic Bounce
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Moonblast
- Explosion
- Endeavor / Earth Power / Diamond Storm

It probably is still a really good lead for HO but I think people have started preparing for it. Mirror MUs are heavily dependant on speed ties while MegaZam leads can trade vs Diancie or predict the Explosion and play mind games. Supportceus formes with Defog can lead against it by EVing to speed creep it (and Luke while they are at it).
 
I haven't seen much of it on the ladder - to my surprise - but I think Gengar merits some discussion. While it can't hold an item, it no longer has the opportunity cost of taking up a mega slot. I guess one could retort that Megas like Slowbro can use shed shell, but that can be removed with trick/switcheroo or knock off. Not to mention, not being able to use another item is rather costly.

For example, while it may seem insignificant, leftovers can make or break Mega Slowbro. Life orb Lucario can 2HKO after a swords dance without lefties. Latias also struggles to check several Pokemon if it opts to use shed shell. This is not so these Pokemon can check Mega Gengar, but just avoid being trapped, so it's not like choosing between checks.

Gengar can form frightening offensive cores with other Megas, like Lucario and Salamence. Gengar eliminates Pokemon that check its partners, which then set up and sweep.
 

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Going to post my thoughts on the following mons:

Salamence-Mega @ Life Orb / Sky Plate / Yache Berry
Ability: Aerilate
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Double-Edge / Return
- Earthquake / Facade
- Roost

Salamence-Mega @ Choice Band
Ability: Aerilate
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly / Adamant Nature
- Double-Edge
- Facade
- Earthquake
- Filler

Salamence-Mega @ Flame Orb
Ability: Aerilate
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Facade
- Iron Defense
- Roost

Very problematic mon IMO and can be possibly suspected, lacks switch-ins because it can tie with Arceus forms and it 2HKOs then with either Double-Edge or Earthquake (for like Rockceus). Not even MegaBro can answer this reliably without the correct moveset, as only Ice Beam + Iron Defense can answer all variant (You need Ice Beam for Flame Orb and Iron Defense for Yache). And then they bring Adamant Band and 2HKO you... The other possible answer is Celesteela but that gets worned down by repeated Double-Edges and lacks reliable recovery. On the possible viability rankings that is coming out soon this should be like S+ with PDon.

Mewtwo-Mega-X @ Life Orb
Ability: Steadfast
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Jolly / Naive Nature
- Low Kick
- Ice Beam
- Shadow Ball
- Zen Headbutt / Taunt / Filler

Mewtwo-Mega-X @ Life Orb
Ability: Steadfast
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Jolly / Naive Nature
- Drain Punch
- Zen Headbutt
- Bulk Up
- Shadow Ball

Personally I don't find this mon that bad, it needs Ice Beam to hit stuff like MegaMence, Shadow Ball to hit MegaBro and Lunala, which leaves little room to break through sturdy answers like Defensive Ho-Oh and Fairyceus. It also doesn't force out as many mons as Mence and PDon can check it if needed.

Lucario-Mega @ Life Orb
Ability: Adaptability
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Swords Dance
- Close Combat
- Meteor Mash
- Bullet Punch

Lucario-Mega @ Fightinium Z
Ability: Adaptability
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Nasty Plot
- Focus Blast
- Flash Cannon
- Vacuum Wave

Lucario-Mega @ Choice Band
Ability: Adaptability
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Close Combat
- Meteor Mash
- Bullet Punch
- Rock Slide / Bone Rush

The most scary aspect of this mon is its ability to boost with either SD or NP along with the powerful priority it packs. However, it is basically hard walled by Ho-Oh and MegaBro if not NP (and Pex). Groundceus can switch in to eat a CC and retaliate with Judgment, and Groudon can check if unboosted. The good thing is it cannot boost its speed so it can be RKed by faster mons that can take either a +2 Bullet Punch or Vacuum Wave.

Groudon @ Red Orb
Ability: Drought
EVs: 252 SpA / 100 SpD / 156 Spe
Mild Nature
- Rock Polish
- Precipice Blades
- Fire Blast
- Hidden Power Ice

Groudon @ Red Orb
Ability: Drought
EVs: 144 HP / 156 Atk / 56 SpD / 152 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Swords Dance
- Precipice Blades
- Rock Tomb

Groudon @ Red Orb
Ability: Drought
EVs: 252 Atk / 100 SpD / 156 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Rock Polish
- Swords Dance
- Precipice Blades
- Stone Edge

Despite the popularity of MegaMence as long as PDon has Rock moves or HPI it isn't actually a problem and can actually check it in cases. RP PDon is so good against offense and is honestly its best set in this metagame with its ability to break past MegaMence and Bro. Other sets are interesting too to break past checks like Ho-Oh and Max Def Chansey. Also has amazing defensive utility as it has immense bulk to blanket check a lot of physical attackers.

Diancie-Mega @ Focus Sash
Ability: Magic Bounce
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Moonblast
- Explosion
- Endeavor / Earth Power / Diamond Storm

It probably is still a really good lead for HO but I think people have started preparing for it. Mirror MUs are heavily dependant on speed ties while MegaZam leads can trade vs Diancie or predict the Explosion and play mind games. Supportceus formes with Defog can lead against it by EVing to speed creep it (and Luke while they are at it).
I would just like to point out that specs Salamence completely obliterates both Slowbro and Steela

252 SpA Choice Specs Aerilate Salamence-Mega Hyper Voice vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Slowbro-Mega: 208-246 (52.7 - 62.4%) -- 99.6% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery (awful spread btw)

252 SpA Choice Specs Salamence-Mega Fire Blast vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Celesteela: 338-398 (85.1 - 100.2%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

Specs Mence is a good mon on its own merits so its not like you're running it just to hit bro or steels (or aggron). It breaks a ton of stuff, and you can run Double-edge in the last slot to abuse special walls. (0 Atk Aerilate Salamence-Mega Double-Edge vs. 4 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 283-334 (44 - 52%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock)

Honestly I think a Mence suspect / ban should be a conversation rn. Its ability to win versus basically every switchin while finding setup opportunities versus pretty much every playstyle is pretty overwhelming. On the flip side it's outsped preboost by a number of notable mons, its ice weakness is easy to prey on, and rocks weakness limits switchin opportunities, especially if it's also taking double-edge chip. What do y'all think?

May edit this a bit, made on mobile
 
Thought I'd volunteer and make a rough VR for Megamons.

Do note, this is a rough list made by one person and NOT a final product or be-all end-all list. I may very well be wrong on these or even be missing some and I apologize if I am. Just about everything is up for discussion and you can discuss about placements if you want, this is just an approximation of what I feel their placements are and not necessarily factual.




(ROUGH) Megamons Viability Ranking List


Rank Placement Definitions:
  • S Rank: Absolute powerhouse of the tier. Universal staples that you MUST be prepared for at all times or you risk being completely swept away because of their mere presence.
  • A Rank: Solid meta contenders. It’s possible to beat these without focusing specifically on them, but they can still provide excellent support or powerful muscle for any team and should be addressed before starting the meta. These are the meta’s staples that offer great reward for only minor risk.
  • B Rank: Okay, just not the best. While not as generally amazing as A Rank, these are still live meta threats that can, in the right hands, be very successful. Not always easy to splash in and run, but can be just as effective as A Rank when properly piloted.
  • C Rank: Niche, but still usable. There might be better options to choose from, but it is still possible to use these as niche if not admittedly gimmicky options. They work, but you need to be exceptionally skilled to make them work at their fullest.
  • D Rank: Just no. Whether it by their lack of overall usability, being outclassed by others, or simply being in the wrong environment, there is little to no reason to run these seriously in the meta.
S Rank:
Arceus (no specific formes)
Groudon-Primal
Mewtwo-Mega-X
Salamence-Mega


A+ Rank:
Lucario-Mega
Marshadow
Mawile-Mega

A Rank:
Gyarados-Mega
Kyogre-Primal
Necrozma-Dusk-Mane

A- Rank:
Diancie-Mega
Kangaskhan-Mega
Scizor-Mega
Slowbro-Mega
Xerneas


B+ Rank:
Beedrill-Mega
Charizard-Mega-Y
Lunala
Metagross-Mega
Yveltal

B Rank:
Aerodactyl-Mega
Ho-oh
Medicham-Mega
Sableye-Mega
Tyranitar-Mega

B- Rank:
Aggron-Mega
Alakazam-Mega
Giratina
Latias-Mega
Latios-Mega
Lopunny-Mega
Lugia
Pheromosa
Venusaur-Mega


C+ Rank:
Aegislash
Audino-Mega
Ferrothorn
Gardevoir-Mega
Manectric-Mega
Pinsir-Mega
Zekrom

C Rank:
Altaria-Mega
Banette-Mega
Blastoise-Mega
Camerupt-Mega
Deoxys-Speed
Garchomp-Mega
Steelix-Mega
Swampert-Mega

C- Rank:
Charizard-Mega-X
Glalie-Mega
Heracross-Mega
Pidgeot-Mega


D Rank:
Absol-Mega
Abomasnow-Mega
Ampharos-Mega
Gallade-Mega
Houndoom-Mega
Sceptile-Mega
Sharpedo-Mega


Lolbanned Rank:
Blaziken-Mega
Gengar-Mega
Mewtwo-Mega-Y
IMO Gengarite Gengar deserves a ranking at least at in C Rank, since STag is hella broken and can be useful in a myriad of situations (especially in and against stall). Yes, you miss the opportunity to run other useful mons, but it's justificable enough to be used on serious teams.

Other things that deserves discussion are Arceus Forms, specially Ground, Water, Fairy, Normal (Extreme Killer) and Dark. I find that they are kinda underrated in this meta due to the higher power level compared to Ubers, but that doesn't means they don't have niches. In my previous post I mentioned how effective Darkceus is as a check to special Psychic types (and Unecro).
 
You DID see that Arceus is S rank in NTK's list?

I'm also jumping ship and saying that Mega Mence isn't broken. Asked Chloe about it on Showdown last week and the points outlined (still revenged by some really fast Scarfers after a boost, susceptibility to priority, lots of mons that can threaten it before it ever boosts, including max Speed Arceus which can outright OHKO with Ice Beam on literally any of its types) alongside looking for those points and passively building multiple redundant checks into teambuilding that all serve additional purposes (which is really how most S ranks threats should be treated) all kept Salamence from being overwhelming.

What I would like to talk about is Deoxys-S and Skill Swap. This absolutely dumpsters lead Diancie and I love it.
 
I’d probably put Lunala in A, Tyranitar-Mega in A-, Deoxys-Speed in B+ and Mawile-Mega drop to B+. This meta is very offensive and while Mawile is very hard to switch into, it doesn’t do anything impressive and the boss of Uber (PDon) hard checks it.
 
Physical MegaMence isn't too hard to check, but mixed sets are more threatening. Flame orb with facade plus hyper voice; life orb return and hyper voice; drop a draco. These sets allow MegaMence to counter traditional checks like MegaBro and Zapdos (draco), while still checking special walls (*cough* Chansey *cough*).

Not to mention the terrifying choice band set. Outrage, thrash, EQ, whatever.
 

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Yo, thought i would share my thoughts on the meta since i play it a lot and i feel like this om deserves more discussion.

Surprisingly, stall is really viable in this meta. Slowbro-mega, Aggron-mega, Tyranitar-mega, Sableye-mega and other defensive pokes with lefties or other items become insanley good, while the usual ubers stall poke remain very good such as Arceus (mainly fairy and ground), Giratina or Chansey.

I see people talk a lot about Salamence-mega, but actually i feel it isn't that op. It is definitely good and has a lot of viable sets, be it offensive or defensive, but it can be checked imo. The really annoying sets to me are the bulky offensive ones (basically the ones with longevity), mainly the refresh one as it forces you to run specific moves (that deal heavy damage and not just status) like ice beam on Slowbro-mega and the iron defense with flame orb as it checks priority and foul play Ttar-mega. To be honest i find mega-lucario to be much more threatening to stall due to how it can get a +2 in either attack or special attack and if you sent the wrong check, you probably lose a poke.

Regarding the VR, i think A rank pokes and A- rank pokes should swap places. Gyarados-mega needs to set up and even then it hardly deals heavy damage. With the omnipresence of Pdon, Kyogre-primal isn't that op and it lacks speed in this kind of meta where everything hits like a tank. Necrozma-Dusk-Mane can remain in A rank due to how it can be special or physical, both with a very good moveset.

Diancie-mega, Slowbro-mega and Xerneas definitely deserve to be higher. Diancie-mega is free rocks in so many matchups while also preventing it, it can bring pokes who usually counter it to 1hp with Focus sash and endeavor or « counter » defog by using explosion. Slowbro-mega checks any physical attacker be it Lucario-mega, Salamence-mega, Mewtwo-X, Mawile-mega or Pdon and forces them to run mixed sets to beat it. Moreover with shell armor and moves such as calm mind and iron defense, it can become very hard to kill without status. Finally, Xerneas is just Xerneas. It has a harder time setting up and sweeping than in ubers due to bullet punch being used a lot more (Lucario-mega, Scizor-mega) and just pokes hitting harder but it can still destroy teams pretty easily.

For the rest i agree with Chopin's post. Ho-oh could be higher too. It has a lot of potential on stall teams and a band/scarf set always works. Finally, Gengar should be on the vr. I fought it only once but it is actually insanely annoying to face if you use stall. I was hard pressured each time my opponent brought one of its offense poke as i couldn't carelessly send my counter/check.

Concerning MMX, life orb mixed is definitely its best set. Low kick deals great damage on so many pokes. From what i have seen people run either tbolt, ice beam or shadow ball for the special moves. I prefer running electroball over tbolt as it OHKO's Slowbro-mega and you basically run tbolt to deal with Slowbro-mega. Zen headbutt with psychic terrain is another powerful set.

Wanted to mention Trick room teams too because you can actually throw off a lot of teams with it. This playstyle has great potential with Heracross-mega, Camerupt-mega, Mawile-mega or Ampharos-mega as speed is so important in this tier.

Gonna finish by talking about Scizor-mega as i haven't seen much talk about it. I find it insanely useful on stall especially with knock off. Stall vs stall matchup can be very difficult and knock off is pretty helpful in those kind of matches as removing just a leftovers can be huge on the long run. I run sword dance/knock off/bullet punch/roost. This replay shows the importance of Scizor-mega against stall and how useful removing lefties is against a sableye-mega in the long run https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7megamons-873104952 (got lucky with toxic missing as it was bounced off). This one shows how Scizor-mega with sword dance can just clean against stall as he probably expected a normal u-turn set and kinda let both his checks be weakened https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7megamons-873502813

That's it for now, might post my team later. This om is great.
 
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Just wanna point out that Mbro without Toxic or Iron Defense is kinda-sorta-not-really set-up bait for SD Pdon. +2 Precipice Blades is a very clean 2HKO, so it doesn't force you to go mixed at all.
 

manu 11

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Just wanna point out that Mbro without Toxic or Iron Defense is kinda-sorta-not-really set-up bait for SD Pdon. +2 Precipice Blades is a very clean 2HKO, so it doesn't force you to go mixed at all.
I mean, Slowbro-mega without iron defense is like going against the purpose of even having Slowbro-mega on your team. The association of iron defense with shell armor is one of the aspects that makes it so good. The only reason to not run it would be to have a trick room Slowbro-mega or a rest/calm mind set because it would fulfill a different purpose. If you are trying to check/counter physically offensive pokes then Iron defense is mandatory.

Also, at full health Slowbro-mega will live and could potentially iron defense/slack off his way out as Primal-Groudon needs good rolls to 2HKO Slowbro-mega with leftovers, you also need to hit 2 Precipice Blades which i never manage to do unfort :(. Moreover, Slowbro-mega could just have counter. In that sense it "forces" you tu run mixed. I will agree that Primal-Groudon is the one with the most chances of actually killing Slowbro-mega with physical moves from the pokes i listed since it can get +2 in one turn (which Salamence-mega and MMX can't do, while both stab moves of Lucario-mega are not very effective) and has a move of 180 of power without being super-effective.
 
Just want to point out that Medicham and Mawile can beat Slowbro with thunder punch, especially with a boosting item and/or koko support (which I've seen). So, Groudon isn't the only Pokemon that can potentially beat Slowbro without special moves.

On the note of Lucario being a threat to stall, I wholeheartedly agree. Special sets dunk on Slowbro, even with only STAB moves (not to mention dark pulse destroys it). Aura sphere is too much for Chansey. Zapdos is a decent check, and it checks Mence as well, but I am not sure how well it fits on Mega stall. Specially defensive Latias is okay, but it can't do much back to Lucario. Definitely a hard to check threat.

Speaking of Latias, it can replace Giratina quite well. Reliable recovery makes it much more appealing, and levitate allows it check Groudon. Checks Kyogre as well.
 
This is my version of the VR that has been edited from the Ubers VR in accordance to the different metagame. The link on each Pokemon leads to the Ubers analysis while the links for the Mega Pokemon lead to a Pokepaste with viable sets (for the Megamons that I actually know the standard set for), comments are for other options. My draft got deleted so now I'm lazy so this will be only up to B- rank. Note that Pokemon are ranked within subranks and not by alphabetical order.

S Rank

S+



Primal Groudon

S


Mega Salamence

Dusk Mane Necrozma

Mega Gengar

Mega Slowbro

A Rank

A+



Yveltal

Arceus-Ground

Mega Lucario

Zygarde-C

Ultra Necrozma

Xerneas

Marshadow

Mega Mewtwo X

A


Ho-Oh

Primal Kyogre

Mega Diancie

Arceus-Dark

Mega Scizor

Arceus-Water

Arceus-Normal

Mega Tyranitar

A-


Lunala

Ferrothorn

Magearna

Arceus-Fairy

Mega Sableye

B Rank

B+



Giratina-O

Mega Beedrill

Toxapex

Skarmory

Mega Lopunny (Need sets)

Mega Gyarados (Need sets)

Arceus-Flying

Mega Alakazam

Rayquaza

Deoxys-A

Cloyster

B


Gothitelle / Gothorita

Lugia

Celesteela

Mega Venusaur

Arceus-Rock

Mega Manectric

Blissey

Chansey

Giratina

Ditto

Naganadel

B-


Mega Latias

Mega Latios (Need sets)

Mega Metagross (Need sets)

Mega Charizard Y (Need sets)

Palkia

Mega Aggron (Need sets)

Mega Garchomp (Need sets)

Klefki

Arceus-Poison

Mega Banette (Need sets)

In addition, as to not double post, I would like to drop two stall teams that have done quite well on ladder.
Semistall
Stall
 

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This is my version of the VR that has been edited from the Ubers VR in accordance to the different metagame. The link on each Pokemon leads to the Ubers analysis while the links for the Mega Pokemon lead to a Pokepaste with viable sets (for the Megamons that I actually know the standard set for), comments are for other options. My draft got deleted so now I'm lazy so this will be only up to B- rank. Note that Pokemon are ranked within subranks and not by alphabetical order.

S Rank

S+



Primal Groudon

S


Mega Salamence

Dusk Mane Necrozma

Mega Gengar

Mega Slowbro

A Rank

A+



Yveltal

Arceus-Ground

Mega Lucario

Zygarde-C

Ultra Necrozma

Xerneas

Marshadow

Mega Mewtwo X

A


Ho-Oh

Primal Kyogre

Mega Diancie

Arceus-Dark

Mega Scizor

Arceus-Water

Arceus-Normal

Mega Tyranitar

A-


Lunala

Ferrothorn

Magearna

Arceus-Fairy

Mega Sableye

B Rank

B+



Giratina-O

Mega Beedrill

Toxapex

Skarmory

Mega Lopunny (Need sets)

Mega Gyarados (Need sets)

Arceus-Flying

Mega Alakazam

Rayquaza

Deoxys-A

Cloyster

B


Gothitelle / Gothorita

Lugia

Celesteela

Mega Venusaur

Arceus-Rock

Mega Manectric

Blissey

Chansey

Giratina

Ditto

Naganadel

B-


Mega Latias

Mega Latios (Need sets)

Mega Metagross (Need sets)

Mega Charizard Y (Need sets)

Palkia

Mega Aggron (Need sets)

Mega Garchomp (Need sets)

Klefki

Arceus-Poison

Mega Banette (Need sets)

In addition, as to not double post, I would like to drop two stall teams that have done quite well on ladder.
Semistall
Stall
Interesting VR, this could serve as sort of setpedia for the mega but some pokemon should definitely be in other ranks. Zygarde-C and Magearna should probably be lower. The first one has barely any usage as it has a harder time getting in the complete form. Its ice weakness is also more present since Salamence-Mega is so much used. I feel that apart from being a good Primal-Groudon counter and a decent check to Lucario-Mega it doesn't do much. It actually isn't bad in megamons but it feels a bit high considering the rest of the pokemon in A+ rank.

Magearna should also be lower imo. Like it is actually higher than Chansey/Blissey and Lugia in your VR which is weird because they are better at doing what magearna can do. I see its potential as Xerneas counter but for the rest it seems to be at a huge disadvantage against a lot of threats of Megamons like Primal-Groudon, Lucario-Mega, Scizor-Mega and even Salamence-Mega as Earthquake with life does between 85%-96%. It does have a niche due to its typing and its moveset allowing it to check Xerneas, Yveltal and psychic terrain abusers but other pokemon do this better imo.

Last little thing concerns Arceus-Fairy. It should be next to Arceus-Ground. Or at least in the same rank as Arceus-Dark and Water. It is extremly good in Megamons as Fairy Judgment hits a lot of threats of Megamons while it can shut down the ones that resist it with Will-O-Wisp most of the time.

Just going to give some sets for the megas where you don't have one.

Lopunny-Mega @ Normalium Z
Ability: Scrappy
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Splash
- High Jump Kick
- Return
- Quick Attack

Lopunny-Mega @ Life Orb
Ability: Scrappy
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Ice Punch
- Return
- Power-Up Punch/Fake Out
- High Jump Kick

Lopunny-Mega @ Salac Berry/Liechi Berry
Ability: Scrappy
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Endure
- Flail
- High Jump Kick
- Ice Punch

No idea for ev spread
Gyarados-Mega @ Normalium Z
Ability: Mold Breaker
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Celebrate
- Waterfall
- Crunch
- Earthquake

Gyarados-Mega @ Aguav Berry
Ability: Mold Breaker
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Waterfall
- Crunch
- Earthquake

Terrible but beats any stall without Arceus-Fairy/Xerneas
Gyarados-Mega @ Leftovers
Ability: Mold Breaker
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD
Impish Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Crunch
- Rest
- Sleep Talk

Metagross-Mega @ Choice Band
Ability: Tough Claws
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Ice Punch
- Meteor Mash
- Bullet Punch
- Earthquake

Salamence-Mega "check"
Metagross-Mega @ Shuca Berry
Ability: Tough Claws
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 Def
Serious Nature
- Ice Punch
- Meteor Mash
- Stealth Rock
- Toxic

Metagross-Mega @ Life Orb
Ability: Tough Claws
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Rock Polish
- Meteor Mash
- Ice Punch
- Earthquake

No idea for ev spread
Metagross-Mega @ Assault Vest
Ability: Tough Claws
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Meteor Mash
- Bullet Punch
- Earthquake
- Ice Punch

Charizard-Mega-Y @ Normalium Z
Ability: Drought
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Celebrate
- Flamethrower
- Focus Blast
- Solar Beam/Air Slash

Charizard-Mega-Y @ Firium Z
Ability: Drought
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Blast Burn
- Flamethrower
- Focus Blast
- Solar Beam/Air Slash

Charizard-Mega-Y @ Choice Scarf/Choice Specs/Life Orb
Ability: Drought
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Fire Blast
- Ancient Power
- Focus Blast
- Solar Beam/Air Slash

Latios-Mega (M) @ Choice Specs/Choice Scarf
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Draco Meteor
- Trick
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Psyshock

This sucks but i find it funny
Latios-Mega (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Dragon Claw
- Earthquake
- Steel Wing

Aggron-Mega @ Leftovers
Ability: Filter
EVs: 248 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Impish Nature
- Iron Head
- Stealth Rock
- Toxic
- Protect

Those ev are totally random, i have no idea what to use for it
Aggron-Mega @ Assault Vest
Ability: Filter
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Dragon Tail
- Ice Punch
- Iron Head
- Fire Punch/Metal Burst

Garchomp-Mega @ Choice Scarf/Choice Band
Ability: Sand Force
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Earthquake
- Outrage
- Stone Edge
- Iron Head

Garchomp-Mega @ Rockium Z
Ability: Sand Force
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Sandstorm
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- Swords Dance

Banette-Mega @ Focus Sash
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def
Brave Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Will-O-Wisp
- Destiny Bond
- Shadow Claw
- Taunt

Salamence-Mega "check"
Banette-Mega @ Leftovers
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
Impish Nature
- Skill Swap
- Knock Off
- Destiny Bond
- Taunt

For Trick Room, i mean this thing is obviously terrible but we are trying to make something out of it
Banette-Mega @ Choice Band
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Brave Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Pursuit
- Shadow Claw
- Shadow Sneak
- Gunk Shot
 
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