-
Welcome to Smogon! Take a moment to read the Introduction to Smogon for a run-down on everything Smogon, and make sure you take some time to read the global rules.
-
Congrats to the winners of the 2024 Smog Awards!
Minor Meta Modifcations Metagame (aka M4) Development thread
- Thread starter Monte Cristo
- Start date
- Status
The same reason Slowbro runs Slack Off: to recover health when you just can't switch. And Recover gives 50% versus 33%.
Fair enough, I guess I was thinking of the likelihood that one would run Assault Vest with Regenerator. But also, I don't really know much about OU.
I really think WillO is an overkill defensive buff, especially when Aegi's already on such a level he's being suspected. QC Rejected 1/2Reserving Aegislash
EDIT:
Movepool: + Will-o-wisp, + Pain split
QC Approved 2/2
Giving something with one of the best boosting options in the game 75 BP priority seems like a no-no. QC Rejected 1/2Cloyster
Movepool: + Water Shuriken
It is finally viable again. (although it'll probably be like A+ rank)
No Earth Power and you've got QC Approved 1/2
No Rock Head. It was so good from what I remember. Remove it and it's QC Approved 1/2Edited to give Slack Off. Not the best fit, but I can't see it being amazing in OU even with a solid recovery move(would be amazing in RU/UU though).
Needs a second QC Adrian Marin Peef Rimgar
Also gets Slack Off Via Slowpoke line. This means Toxic Spikes + Slack Off is illegal.
Also Reserving Tyrantum.
Stats: +10 Speed (outspeeds +nature scarf 108 with Rock Polish)
Movepool: +Hyper Fang (flavour)
Ability: +HA (Rock Head)
Remove the illegality and it's QC approved 1/2Reserving Dragalge because it's OP.
+15 HP
Movepool: +Slack Off, +Clear Smog
Also, can we please release its HA. It needs some OU love.
And I know we're not supposed to add more moves, but flavourwise, Dragalge needs the 3 move spit-up combo.
Monte Cristo
Completely off topic: did you know Cofagrigus learns toxic spikes? WTF Gamefreak?
You make it sound like 140 is low for a special attacker lol. No spa boost and it's QC approved 1/2I still need another QC check for this one.
And my Blissey was approved so I'll pick Houndoom and Mega Houndoom as my next pokemon.(QC 0/2)
+ 5 Speed
+ 5 SpA (its the weakest of all special sweeper megas)
Mega Houndoom gets Competitive instead of Solar Power.
It wasn't used much because the best sun setter was another mega but it now has its own niche. And considering the amount of Fairy types–and the fairy/water types that were just introduced, it deserves this.
Could you accept/reject my submission too, since I just updated it
I'll push everything to the OP monday 8 AM gmt -8 since i feel I should allow this week to play itself out and then I'll go through and add all the new approved submissions
Holy shit this is fucking broken. QC Rejected 1/2 (keep in mind adrian and oi may have different opinions)Reserving Cofagrigus
Typing: Ghost/Dark
Stats: 58/50/155(+10)/90/115(+10)/30
Reasoning: Dark type actually works perfectly with Cofagrigus. Its Dark typing represents the greed of tomb raiders and its evil spirit. Its new stats are to show how exactly it has survived and pretty much intact for something made in ancient Egypt.
eh like its HP is so low its only niche is its def:
252 Atk Choice Band Terrakion Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Cofagrigus: 129-153 (40.3 - 47.8%) -- 3.1% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
252 Atk Choice Band Terrakion Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Skarmory: 139-165 (41.6 - 49.4%) -- 82.4% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
then again
252 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Cofagrigus: 175-207 (54.6 - 64.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
pretty damn bulky on both sides (but not at same time)
I would take off def boosts entirely, and make it an HP boost to 65:
252 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Cofagrigus: 186-220 (55.6 - 65.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
more general damage done and it handles passive recoil better
Yeah I'm definitely changing that Cloyster submission; wasn't really thinking when I suggested it:
Cloyster
Movepool: + Recover, Spiky Shield
BST: SpDef + 5
Alright, WAY less broken, now you can use Cloyster as a physically defensive wall. Spiky Shield actually makes sense because of the spikes. Recover is there because if Jellicent and Quagsire get it, then why not cloyster? (god awful typing though, still, good defense for a spike setter/spinner)
Cloyster
Movepool: + Recover, Spiky Shield
BST: SpDef + 5
Alright, WAY less broken, now you can use Cloyster as a physically defensive wall. Spiky Shield actually makes sense because of the spikes. Recover is there because if Jellicent and Quagsire get it, then why not cloyster? (god awful typing though, still, good defense for a spike setter/spinner)
Okay, did that
approved 1/2Yeah I'm definitely changing that Cloyster submission; wasn't really thinking when I suggested it:
Cloyster
Movepool: + Recover, Spiky Shield
BST: SpDef + 5
Alright, WAY less broken, now you can use Cloyster as a physically defensive wall. Spiky Shield actually makes sense because of the spikes. Recover is there because if Jellicent and Quagsire get it, then why not cloyster? (god awful typing though, still, good defense for a spike setter/spinner)
QC Approved 2/2Yeah I'm definitely changing that Cloyster submission; wasn't really thinking when I suggested it:
Cloyster
Movepool: + Recover, Spiky Shield
BST: SpDef + 5
Alright, WAY less broken, now you can use Cloyster as a physically defensive wall. Spiky Shield actually makes sense because of the spikes. Recover is there because if Jellicent and Quagsire get it, then why not cloyster? (god awful typing though, still, good defense for a spike setter/spinner)
Roost > Recover. otherwise QC Approved 1/2
approved 2/2
Haxorus
Stats: +4 speed
Abilities: Mold Breaker / Rivalry /Unnerve Own Tempo
Moves: +Iron Head
Spam banded Outrage 'nuff said speed might be a bit high but I think it's fair to allow it to wallbreak with band better or revenge with scarf.
Stats: +4 speed
Abilities: Mold Breaker / Rivalry /
Moves: +Iron Head
Spam banded Outrage 'nuff said speed might be a bit high but I think it's fair to allow it to wallbreak with band better or revenge with scarf.
Reserving Kingdra
Kingdra has always been a bit forgotten as a Dragon dancer because of its main difference from other dragons is its tipping and while is type is amazing it has to face against Dragonite, MZard X, Gyarados and even Salamence and Haxorus when making a team, its main niche of being a Swift swim sweeper died soon in BW and never reached its potencial in XY because of the weather nerf, this gen it found the great Critdra set but still perished to the land of UU. But aside from its niches Kingdra always seemed like a more than solid DD and rain sweeper, it only missed the power and bulk it adversaries have, as well as better coverage or another move to help him stand out, so I present:
Stats: Atk and Sp.Atk+5, Hp+ 10
Movepool: Yawn( Justified by the lore)
Kingdra has always been a bit forgotten as a Dragon dancer because of its main difference from other dragons is its tipping and while is type is amazing it has to face against Dragonite, MZard X, Gyarados and even Salamence and Haxorus when making a team, its main niche of being a Swift swim sweeper died soon in BW and never reached its potencial in XY because of the weather nerf, this gen it found the great Critdra set but still perished to the land of UU. But aside from its niches Kingdra always seemed like a more than solid DD and rain sweeper, it only missed the power and bulk it adversaries have, as well as better coverage or another move to help him stand out, so I present:
Stats: Atk and Sp.Atk+5, Hp+ 10
Movepool: Yawn( Justified by the lore)
Last edited:
QC approved 1/2
QC Rejected 1/2Reserving Chandelure
Chandelure
Ability: Flash Fire /Flame BodyLevitate / Infiltrator (The thing can clearly levitate)
Movepool: +Aura Sphere (Pokedex says it absorbs auras/souls)
Ok, I've removed the illegality on Dragalge and removed Rock Head on Tyrantrum. Y'all make it sound like it's going Uber if/when its hidden ability is released (it IS Rock Head if you didn't know)
I'll post the updated stuff here.
Dragalge
Stats: +15 HP
Movepool: +Slack Off
QC Approved: Peef Rimgar (Under condition removed illegality) 1/2
Tyrantrum
Stats: +10 Speed
Movepool: +Hyper Fang
QC Approved: Peef Rimgar (Under condition removed Rock Head) 1/2
These just needs to be QC Monte Cristo Adrian Marin, then they can be pushed to the OP.
I'll post the updated stuff here.
Dragalge
Stats: +15 HP
Movepool: +Slack Off
QC Approved: Peef Rimgar (Under condition removed illegality) 1/2
Tyrantrum
Stats: +10 Speed
Movepool: +Hyper Fang
QC Approved: Peef Rimgar (Under condition removed Rock Head) 1/2
These just needs to be QC Monte Cristo Adrian Marin, then they can be pushed to the OP.
Excuse me Adrian I'm not quality control or anything but how on the Earth is Technician too much for Lucario if it doesn't have any good Technician boosted move on the physical set(Bullet Punch sucks because Lucario's niche is being a sweeper that shreks Thundurus and Talonflame with ExtremeSpeed) and special sets are still walled by a bunch of shit on stall(you need HP Steel for Sylveon, HP Ice for Zapdos and Latias, HP Electric for Gyarados, Slowbor and StallZardY, HP Flying for Chesnaught, Venusaur and Amoonguss and HP Ghost for Aegislash, Slowbro and Latias), while offense has something that takes its Vacuum Wave without even trying?
Reserving Diggersby and Rotom forms btw.
can't reserve all rotom forms at once, that's technically more than 2 mons at a time
Ledian
Stats : +10 Atk (35 => 45), +10 Spd (85 => 95) BST : 410
Ability : HA : Iron Fist => Pure Power.
45 Base Atk + Pure Power is somewhat equivalent to 130 Base Atk when fully invested. If it's too much, 35 Base Atk is equivalent to 118 Atk. Let's not forget that Ledian is x4 weak to SR, has a shitty typing in general, and that its best physical STAB options are Bug Bite, U Turn (Stealth Rock says hi) and Acrobatics. And it isn't tanking hits anytime soon with 55/50/110 defensive stats.
It also lacks any attack with more than 80 BP, as its only coverage moves are Drain Punch, Knock Off and the elemental punches.
It's still quite unviable, but at least it can actually do something instead of being a punching-bag.
Stats : +10 Atk (35 => 45), +10 Spd (85 => 95) BST : 410
Ability : HA : Iron Fist => Pure Power.
45 Base Atk + Pure Power is somewhat equivalent to 130 Base Atk when fully invested. If it's too much, 35 Base Atk is equivalent to 118 Atk. Let's not forget that Ledian is x4 weak to SR, has a shitty typing in general, and that its best physical STAB options are Bug Bite, U Turn (Stealth Rock says hi) and Acrobatics. And it isn't tanking hits anytime soon with 55/50/110 defensive stats.
It also lacks any attack with more than 80 BP, as its only coverage moves are Drain Punch, Knock Off and the elemental punches.
It's still quite unviable, but at least it can actually do something instead of being a punching-bag.
approved 1/2
Ok I'm reserving Gyarados then.
- Status