M&M Mix and Mega

[QT]

As a result of two unanimous council votes,
Lucarionite Z and Malamarite have been banned from Mix and Mega

It seemed very likely from the moment the stat and abilities were revealed, but after having given it a few days it's obvious that they are simply too strong for the mix and mega metagame. We're keeping an eye on some other stones, particularly Zygardite, but thus far the presence of these two stones has been sufficiently strong that it's difficult to determine the impact of other options.

Tagging dhelmise to implement.

 

[zastra]

Hello MnM fans. The first edition of Mix and Mega Premier League is close! We want to hear from the community regarding the tour's formats, structure, timing etc. So we've put together a short form for y'all to rank your preferences. Shouldn't take more than a couple of minutes so please fill it out!

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Appreciate your input

 

[Giagantic]

ZA Stones Tier List

S Tier - Stones that will define the meta going forward!
-Stones that will be defining elements in the metagame going forward

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Barbaracite (+35 Attack, +15 Defense, +10 Special Attack, +20 Special Defense, +20 Speed | Tough Claws | +

| +4 Kg)

Chimechite (+30 Defense, +40 Special Attack, +30 Special Defense | Levitate | +

| +7 Kg)

Heatranite (+30 Attack, +45 Special Attack, +35 Special Defense, -10 Speed | Flash Fire | N/A | +140 Kg)

Chandelurite (+20 Attack, +20 Defense, +30 Special Attack, +20 Special Defense, +10 Speed | Flash Fire | N/A | +35.3 Kg)

Eelektrossite (+30 Attack, +30 Special Attack, +10 Special Defense, +30 Speed | Levitate | N/A | +79.5 Kg)

Zygardite (-30 Attack, -30 Defense, +125 Special Attack, -10 Special Defense, +15 Speed | Aura Break | N/A | N/A)

A Tier - Great all around stones, even in comparison to base MnM stones.
-This tier is made of stones that have potential to have good users even when compared to base MnM stones

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Scolipite (+40 Attack, +60 Defense, +20 Special Attack, +30 Special Defense, -50 Speed | Poison Point | N/A | +30 Kg)

Scraftinite (+40 Attack, +20 Defense, +10 Special Attack, +20 Special Defense, +10 Speed | Shed Skin | N/A | +1 Kg)

Glimmoranite (+35 Attack, +15 Defense, +20 Special Attack, +15 Special Defense, +15 Speed | Toxic Debris | N/A | +32 Kg)

B Tier - Good Stones with a number of potential uses or decent potential potency.
-These stones will have a niche and see some use but are still overall flawed compared to the cream of the crop of base MnM stones.

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Excadrite (+30 Attack, +40 Defense, +15 Special Attack, +15 Speed | Sand Rush | N/A | +19.6 Kg)

Victreebelite (+20 Attack, +20 Defense, +35 Special Attack, +25 Special Defense | Chlorophyll | N/A | +110 Kg)

Drampanite (+25 Attack, +25 Defense, +25 Special Attack, +25 Special Defense | Berserk | N/A | N/A)

Falinksite (+35 Attack, +35 Defense, +5 Special Defense, +25 Speed | Battle Armor | N/A | +37 Kg)

Raichunite X (+45 Attack, +40 Defense, +15 Special Defense | Surge Surfer | N/A | +8 Kg)

Raichunite Y (+10 Attack, +70 Special Attack, +20 Speed | Surge Surfer | N/A | -4 Kg)

Garchompite Z (-10 Defense, +61 Special Attack, +49 Speed | Sand Force | +

| +4 Kg)

Staraptite (+20 Attack, +30 Defense, +10 Special Attack, +30 Special Defense, +10 Speed | Intimidate | +

Primary | +25.1 Kg)

Crabominite (+25 Attack, +45 Defense, +40 Special Defense, -10 Speed | Hyper Cutter | N/A | +72.8 Kg)

Magearnite (+30 Attack, +40 Special Attack, +30 Speed | Soul-Heart | N/A | +167.6 Kg)

Golisopite (+25 Attack, +35 Defense, +10 Special Attack, +30 Special Defense | Emergency Exit | +

| +40 Kg)

Zeraorite (+45 Attack, +45 Special Attack, +10 Speed | Volt Absorb | N/A | N/A)

Scovillainite (+30 Attack, +20 Defense, +30 Special Attack, +20 Special Defense | Chlorophyll | N/A | +7 Kg)

Golurkite (+35 Attack, +25 Defense, +15 Special Attack, +25 Special Defense | Iron Fist | N/A | N/A)

Absolite Z (+24 Attack, +76 Speed | Magic Bounce | +

| +2 Kg )

C Tier - Stones that are quite niche and flawed and need more exploration.
-These stones have some potential, but are ultimately still very flawed for varying reasons such as lacking ability, or limited number of potential users. Some included have no ability but good stats, others provide a typing.

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Clefablite (+10 Attack, +20 Defense, +40 Special Attack, +20 Special Defense, +10 Speed | Cute Charm | +

| +2.3 Kg)

Meganiumite (+10 Attack, +15 Defense, +60 Special Attack, +15 Special Defense | Overgrow | +

| +100.5 Kg)

Feraligite (+55 Attack, +25 Defense, + 10 Special Attack, +10 Special Defense | Torrent | +

| +20 Kg)

Skarmorite (+60 Attack, -30 Defense, +30 Special Defense, +40 Speed | Keen Eye | N/A | -10.1 Kg)

Froslassite (+60 Special Attack, +30 Special Defense, +10 Speed | Snow Cloak | N/A | +3 Kg)

Chesnaughtite (+30 Attack, +50 Defense, +40 Special Defense, -20 Speed | Overgrow | N/A | N/A)

Dragalgite (+10 Attack, +15 Defense, +35 Special Attack, +40 Special Defense | Poison Point | N/A | +18.8 Kg)

Hawluchanite (+45 Attack, +25 Defense, +30 Special Defense | Limber | N/A | +3.5 Kg)

Darkranite (+30 Attack, +40 Defense, +30 Special Attack, +40 Special Defense, -40 Speed | Bad Dreams | N/A | +189.5 Kg)

Baxcalibrite (+30 Attack, +25 Defense, +30 Special Attack, +15 Special Defense | Thermal Exchange | N/A | +105 Kg)

D Tier - Avoid these as unless someone discovers some uses, they are probably worthless.
-Common elements of these stones is a lack of a good or useful ability and a stat boost that isn't good enough to make up for missing a useful ability

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Dragoninite (-10 Attack, +20 Defense, +45 Special Attack, +25 Special Defense, +20 Speed | Inner Focus | N/A | +80 Kg)

Starminite (+65 Attack, +20 Defense, +30 Special Attack, +20 Special Defense, +5 Speed | Illuminate | N/A | N/A)

Emboarite (+25 Attack, +10 Defense, +10 Special Attack, +45 Special Defense, +10 Speed | Blaze | N/A | +30.3 Kg)

Delphoxite (+45 Special Attack, +25 Special Defense, +30 Speed | Blaze | N/A | N/A)

Greninjite (+30 Attack, +10 Defense, +30 Special Attack, +10 Special Defense, +20 Speed | Torrent | N/A | N/A)

Pyroarite (+20 Attack, +20 Defense, +20 Special Attack, +20 Special Defense, +20 Speed | Rivalry | N/A | +11.8 Kg)

Floettite (+20 Attack, +20 Defense, +30 Special Attack, +20 Special Defense, +10 Speed | Flower Veil | N/A | +99.9 Kg)

Meowsticite (+60 Special Attack, +20 Special Defense, +20 Speed | Keen Eye | N/A | +1.6 Kg)

Tatsugirinite (+15 Attack, +30 Defense, +15 Special Attack, +30 Special Defense, +10 Speed | Commander | N/A | N/A)

This list is based on my initial impressions since freed, things could change for better or worse for each stone though.

 

[Dorsia]

I'm totally spaced out but still are you telling me that all these new mega have the same base ability? Didn't Game Freak even make the effort to change mega-forms abilities? I wish Golurkite gave No Guard instead...

 

[Crep50]

I'm totally spaced out but still are you telling me that all these new mega have the same base ability? Didn't Game Freak even make the effort to change mega-forms abilities? I wish Golurkite gave No Guard instead...

They’re all placeholders, since there aren’t any abilities in the code of ZA

 

[IMakeNoSense]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11ixLKtdfcbpS98c6xJEZgm9Lr3H8z90295JMODrjHY4/edit?usp=sharing

I made a document with all the data for the items and the stats/types/abilities they give, including the DLC stones! It should be much easier now to find the stone you're looking for!

hopefully this is helpful! i spent a few hours on this and its 2 am so have fun mixers and mega-ers i loooove mega stones
even if i cheated a bit and used the cross evo data sheet as a base lmao

 

[PrincessGardevoir]

I haven't played much MnM until the end of the generation oops so I'm here to share one of my favorite combos with a new stone.

Behold, the team check! Fairy/Steel is very good with Levitate, and its one of the safest mons to face down a +2 Zygardite Deo-S, +1 Battle Bond Zygardite Greninja, and other nuclear bombs of special attackers, while having entry opportunities against the -ate stone forms of Tusk, Landorus forms, Dragonite, and more. Levitate means it skips on Spikes damage, it resists Stealth Rock, is immune to Toxic and Poison (and for that point basically turns off Pecharunt entirely, and doesn't mind the presence of Eternatus) and doesn't really care if it gets paralyzed as its speed isn't anything special. I like Stored Power in the last slot instead of running WishTect, in spite of Blue Orb/Drizzle strats, because it lets Florges do VERY good damage in Calm Mind wars, and means burning Moonblast PP isn't as big of an issue. It also means there's a way to threaten Entei/Ho-Oh on the incoming if they're paralyzed/if Florges is already boosted, and a way to meaningfully harm Chimechite poisons like Pecharunt.

+2 252 SpA Zygardte Deoxys-Speed Psycho Boost vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Chimechite Florges: 200-236 (55.5 - 65.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 252 SpA Zygardite Deoxys-Speed Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Chimechite Florges: 229-270 (63.6 - 75%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+1 252 SpA Zygardite Greninja Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Chimechite Florges: 244-288 (67.7 - 80%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

is it probably not good? yes, but I all of like Florges, wanted a way to bully Zygardite Deo-S players, and thought Chimechite is really cool and awesome and I wish it was in MnM from its debut.

Delphoxite (+45 Special Attack, +25 Special Defense, +30 Speed | Blaze | N/A | N/A)

funnily enough, someone on ladder was running Delphoxite Chi-Yu, who lives juuuuust enough attacks to get into Blaze range, clicks Nasty Plot, then threatens OHKOs against anything that's in front of it.




please do something about zygardite or deo-s that shit is so unfair man

 

[dilllllllllllon]

pokemon with megas in legends z-a cannot hold their native stone in current mnm. pokemon showdown gives the "Mega does not exist in Gen 9" error message, can someone take a look at it?

 

[Imperator Romanum]

Does anyone have any sample teams with the new stones?:)

 

[Clas]

Does anyone have any sample teams with the new stones?:)

would you like an evil team or a less evil one

 

[Imperator Romanum]

would you like an evil team or a less evil one

A team in the spirit of the day would do just fine!

Merry christmas

 

[PrincessGardevoir]

Does anyone have any sample teams with the new stones?:)

i gotchu


Can't say it's particularly good, but I've also gone on a 14 game win streak and haven't lost yet with it, and now hit 1400s, so...

tldr:
- hard walls a lot of mons (said in post above) and can regularly 1v1 all of the CM Stored Power abusers with its absurd spdef, even Magearna isn't safe
- turns off phys attackers and has 1v1'd way too many mons in last mon situations, pairs well with levitate Florges/Sinistcha
- obligatory hazard removal, Temper Flare means levitate Magearna really shouldn't set up on Headlong in fear of blowing up, and Headlong threatens non-levitate Magearna. Spin with Flying type is safe as hell. Only problem is IDef Magearna, which usually results in a panic send in Florges and pray it wins the 1v1.
- clicks toxic spikes and makes fires lives hell. thats it. rocky helmet puts in lots of work vs Urshifu as well, which is nice. also can poke at non-Heatranite/Chandelurite Magearna, but also can't fight either of those stones on it
- deserves to get banned or zygardite getting banned this mon is NOT okay, doesn't even need to click NP most of the time due to threatening approximately everything. Dark Pulse is for Ghosts/Absolite Z mons, Ice Beam hurts dragons but could prolly be replaced by tbolt if needed, and psyshock bullies the Sablenite Blisseys I've been seeing
- means opposing Altarianite espeeders, esp regieleki, can't stay in, offers a fire resist that threatens things like Ho-Oh with Stone Edge, and can spread burns via Sacred Fire letting Sinistcha/florg/deos sweep.


other team options I've tried:
- Floettite stonewalls Altarianite espeeders not named Entei (who can't even OHKO with Sacred Fire and gets Strength Sapped,) can't be statused by Arceus forms/Toxic Spikes/Toxic thanks to Flower Veil, and can fight a lot of mons Florges can't besides Fires. Competes for a team slot with Florges and (to an extent) Pecharunt for role of Calm Mind, physically bulky special attacker. Fantastic user of an otherwise pretty bad stone.
- not actually using Hearthflame Oger, but the mask. Mask on Tusk means it clicks Headlong vs all the head empty Chimechite users who firmly believe in their god given right to be immune to ground-type moves, and can click Stealth Rock on Magic Bounce users. Pairs very, VERY well with Sinistcha for anti-ground coverage.
- fights Fires extremely easily, spreads burns, can click Calm Mind if feeling aggressive vs. Magearna, but also means you give the freest entry for Raging Bolt on the planet. If Arc still had defog, it'd be an autoinclude over Tusk.
- Pinsirite replaces Deo-S, also drops Great Tusk for any of Sinistcha, Arc-Water, Hamurott, etc etc etc, could even replace Entei instead and run Altarianite. Combines speed control, Rapid Spin, and fast threatening pivots into a single slot, but is very not good at doing huge damage, and can struggle w/ the new bulky stones like Scolipite. Gives the team much more flexibility though, but losing Zygardite Deo-S is a shame with how insane it is.

 

[Crep50]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11ixLKtdfcbpS98c6xJEZgm9Lr3H8z90295JMODrjHY4/edit?usp=sharing

I made a document with all the data for the items and the stats/types/abilities they give, including the DLC stones! It should be much easier now to find the stone you're looking for!
View attachment 795706
hopefully this is helpful! i spent a few hours on this and its 2 am so have fun mixers and mega-ers i loooove mega stones
even if i cheated a bit and used the cross evo data sheet as a base lmao

I believe Heatranite is mislabelled here, says 45 Def when its 45 Spatk

 

[IMakeNoSense]

I believe Heatranite is mislabelled here, says 45 Def when its 45 Spatk

Fixed, if there’s any else I missed let me know! I did do it at 2 am so I was sure I missed something

 

[Lewi11]

ZA Stones Tier List

S Tier - Stones that will define the meta going forward!
-Stones that will be defining elements in the metagame going forward

Hide

Barbaracite (+35 Attack, +15 Defense, +10 Special Attack, +20 Special Defense, +20 Speed | Tough Claws | +

| +4 Kg)

Chimechite (+30 Defense, +40 Special Attack, +30 Special Defense | Levitate | +

| +7 Kg)

Heatranite (+30 Attack, +45 Special Attack, +35 Special Defense, -10 Speed | Flash Fire | N/A | +140 Kg)

Chandelurite (+20 Attack, +20 Defense, +30 Special Attack, +20 Special Defense, +10 Speed | Flash Fire | N/A | +35.3 Kg)

Eelektrossite (+30 Attack, +30 Special Attack, +10 Special Defense, +30 Speed | Levitate | N/A | +79.5 Kg)

Zygardite (-30 Attack, -30 Defense, +125 Special Attack, -10 Special Defense, +15 Speed | Aura Break | N/A | N/A)

A Tier - Great all around stones, even in comparison to base MnM stones.
-This tier is made of stones that have potential to have good users even when compared to base MnM stones

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Scolipite (+40 Attack, +60 Defense, +20 Special Attack, +30 Special Defense, -50 Speed | Poison Point | N/A | +30 Kg)

Scraftinite (+40 Attack, +20 Defense, +10 Special Attack, +20 Special Defense, +10 Speed | Shed Skin | N/A | +1 Kg)

Glimmoranite (+35 Attack, +15 Defense, +20 Special Attack, +15 Special Defense, +15 Speed | Toxic Debris | N/A | +32 Kg)

B Tier - Good Stones with a number of potential uses or decent potential potency.
-These stones will have a niche and see some use but are still overall flawed compared to the cream of the crop of base MnM stones.

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Excadrite (+30 Attack, +40 Defense, +15 Special Attack, +15 Speed | Sand Rush | N/A | +19.6 Kg)

Victreebelite (+20 Attack, +20 Defense, +35 Special Attack, +25 Special Defense | Chlorophyll | N/A | +110 Kg)

Drampanite (+25 Attack, +25 Defense, +25 Special Attack, +25 Special Defense | Berserk | N/A | N/A)

Falinksite (+35 Attack, +35 Defense, +5 Special Defense, +25 Speed | Battle Armor | N/A | +37 Kg)

Raichunite X (+45 Attack, +40 Defense, +15 Special Defense | Surge Surfer | N/A | +8 Kg)

Raichunite Y (+10 Attack, +70 Special Attack, +20 Speed | Surge Surfer | N/A | -4 Kg)

Garchompite Z (-10 Defense, +61 Special Attack, +49 Speed | Sand Force | +

| +4 Kg)

Staraptite (+20 Attack, +30 Defense, +10 Special Attack, +30 Special Defense, +10 Speed | Intimidate | +

Primary | +25.1 Kg)

Crabominite (+25 Attack, +45 Defense, +40 Special Defense, -10 Speed | Hyper Cutter | N/A | +72.8 Kg)

Magearnite (+30 Attack, +40 Special Attack, +30 Speed | Soul-Heart | N/A | +167.6 Kg)

Golisopite (+25 Attack, +35 Defense, +10 Special Attack, +30 Special Defense | Emergency Exit | +

| +40 Kg)

Zeraorite (+45 Attack, +45 Special Attack, +10 Speed | Volt Absorb | N/A | N/A)

Scovillainite (+30 Attack, +20 Defense, +30 Special Attack, +20 Special Defense | Chlorophyll | N/A | +7 Kg)

Golurkite (+35 Attack, +25 Defense, +15 Special Attack, +25 Special Defense | Iron Fist | N/A | N/A)

Absolite Z (+24 Attack, +76 Speed | Magic Bounce | +

| +2 Kg )

C Tier - Stones that are quite niche and flawed and need more exploration.
-These stones have some potential, but are ultimately still very flawed for varying reasons such as lacking ability, or limited number of potential users. Some included have no ability but good stats, others provide a typing.

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Clefablite (+10 Attack, +20 Defense, +40 Special Attack, +20 Special Defense, +10 Speed | Cute Charm | +

| +2.3 Kg)

Meganiumite (+10 Attack, +15 Defense, +60 Special Attack, +15 Special Defense | Overgrow | +

| +100.5 Kg)

Feraligite (+55 Attack, +25 Defense, + 10 Special Attack, +10 Special Defense | Torrent | +

| +20 Kg)

Skarmorite (+60 Attack, -30 Defense, +30 Special Defense, +40 Speed | Keen Eye | N/A | -10.1 Kg)

Froslassite (+60 Special Attack, +30 Special Defense, +10 Speed | Snow Cloak | N/A | +3 Kg)

Chesnaughtite (+30 Attack, +50 Defense, +40 Special Defense, -20 Speed | Overgrow | N/A | N/A)

Dragalgite (+10 Attack, +15 Defense, +35 Special Attack, +40 Special Defense | Poison Point | N/A | +18.8 Kg)

Hawluchanite (+45 Attack, +25 Defense, +30 Special Defense | Limber | N/A | +3.5 Kg)

Darkranite (+30 Attack, +40 Defense, +30 Special Attack, +40 Special Defense, -40 Speed | Bad Dreams | N/A | +189.5 Kg)

Baxcalibrite (+30 Attack, +25 Defense, +30 Special Attack, +15 Special Defense | Thermal Exchange | N/A | +105 Kg)

D Tier - Avoid these as unless someone discovers some uses, they are probably worthless.
-Common elements of these stones is a lack of a good or useful ability and a stat boost that isn't good enough to make up for missing a useful ability

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Dragoninite (-10 Attack, +20 Defense, +45 Special Attack, +25 Special Defense, +20 Speed | Inner Focus | N/A | +80 Kg)

Starminite (+65 Attack, +20 Defense, +30 Special Attack, +20 Special Defense, +5 Speed | Illuminate | N/A | N/A)

Emboarite (+25 Attack, +10 Defense, +10 Special Attack, +45 Special Defense, +10 Speed | Blaze | N/A | +30.3 Kg)

Delphoxite (+45 Special Attack, +25 Special Defense, +30 Speed | Blaze | N/A | N/A)

Greninjite (+30 Attack, +10 Defense, +30 Special Attack, +10 Special Defense, +20 Speed | Torrent | N/A | N/A)

Pyroarite (+20 Attack, +20 Defense, +20 Special Attack, +20 Special Defense, +20 Speed | Rivalry | N/A | +11.8 Kg)

Floettite (+20 Attack, +20 Defense, +30 Special Attack, +20 Special Defense, +10 Speed | Flower Veil | N/A | +99.9 Kg)

Meowsticite (+60 Special Attack, +20 Special Defense, +20 Speed | Keen Eye | N/A | +1.6 Kg)

Tatsugirinite (+15 Attack, +30 Defense, +15 Special Attack, +30 Special Defense, +10 Speed | Commander | N/A | N/A)

This list is based on my initial impressions since freed, things could change for better or worse for each stone though.

I feel really bad for those D-tier mons and even the C ones. I understand using real data we have to refer to when giving them abilities, but surely we can make these poor mons slightly more viable by just giving them a different ability that the already get?
Like Starmie literally gets a pointless ability that does nothing, surely Analytic would be better or even Natural Cure?

I've read these base abilities are just "placeholders", is there no way of making these placeholders hold other abilities that these mons naturally get?

Just my 2 cents, but please do tell me I'm wrong and that I shouldn't even be asking this, cause if it's not a reasonable question to ask, I do apologise! xD