M&M Mix and Mega

Cuddly said:
Not really.
We actually see that Solar Beam ignores the damage reduction in Rain in the Champions trailer with Solar Beam KOing Politoed.
252 SpA Meganium-Mega Solar Beam (60 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Politoed in Rain: 212-252 (66 - 78.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
So Mega Sol should be able to use damage dealing Fire moves in Heavy Rain, like how Solar Beam keeps it power in opposing Rain.

And you know, the ability is "lets the Pokémon use its moves as if the weather were harsh sunlight.", so if you use a Fire type move it should be treated like its in Harsh Sunlight and get a 50% bonus. So it'd be pretty surprising if GameFreak just made an exception to screw over Fire moves.
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i moreso meant it was wishful thinking because youre coming to conclusions based on how PS speculatively implemented an ability. We have no idea how this is supposed to work; the implementation was figured out by talking with researchers and trying to come to conclusions from the description in the move. The base power reduction for Solar Beam is not handled in the same way as the damage increase for fire moves/damage decrease for water moves, so what you're doing right now is conflating the way the game treats both interactions (See how I mentioned base power for solar beam and damage for fire/water moves).
 
Hydrametr0nice said:
Or Solar Beam is still 120 BP because of Mega Sol.
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Yeah that's what I mean.
Halving the power of Solar Beam/Blade is a property of Rain, which gets ignored by Mega Sol since Mega Sol acts like Sun is always up.
Causing attacking Fire moves to fail is a property of Heavy Rain, which should mean Mega Sol ignores that too.
 
Cuddly said:
Halving the power of Solar Beam/Blade is a property of Rain, which gets ignored by Mega Sol since Mega Sol acts like Sun is always up.
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on PS currently, halving the power of Solar Beam is a property of Solar Beam, not rain. It’s still way too early to call if that the innate properties of Sun damage amplifiers will affect the other pokemon since only the user is treated like in sun, not the opponent.
 
HiZo said:
on PS currently, halving the power of Solar Beam is a property of Solar Beam, not rain. It’s still way too early to call if that the innate properties of Sun damage amplifiers will affect the other pokemon since only the user is treated like in sun, not the opponent.
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we know from the trailers that its otherwise, solar beam was unaffected by other weather and so mega sol should equate that into the damage calc stage
 
Cuddly said:
Halving the power of Solar Beam/Blade is a property of Rain, which gets ignored by Mega Sol since Mega Sol acts like Sun is always up.
Causing attacking Fire moves to fail is a property of Heavy Rain, which should mean Mega Sol ignores that too.
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Clas said:
we know from the trailers that its otherwise, solar beam was unaffected by other weather and so mega sol should equate that into the damage calc stage
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I don’t want to derail this conversation by speculating about Mega Sol’s mechanics, since there’s no point.
But I want to explain to you why you have no basis for your claims. I think you haven't understood how Utility Umbrella works.

If an attacker is holding a Utility Umbrella and uses Solar Beam under Rain, its Base Power will not be halved to 60. However, if an attacker holding a Utility Umbrella uses a Fire-type move under Primordial Sea, that move will still fail. The Fire-type move would only avoid failing if the defender were holding a Utility Umbrella. The same applies to the damage modifiers from Sunny Day and Rain Dance: it is the defender’s Utility Umbrella that suppresses those modifiers, not the attacker’s.

Through the same logic, Mega Meganium OHKOing Politoed can be explained simply by Solar Beam’s Base Power being protected from rain because of Mega Sol. That has nothing to do with it suppressing rain’s damage modifier. As far as we know, that is an effect "attached" to the defender.

I’m not saying you’re wrong, I’m saying you have no basis for your statements.
 
Hydrametr0nice said:
I don’t want to derail this conversation by speculating about Mega Sol’s mechanics, since there’s no point.
But I want to explain to you why you have no basis for your claims. I think you haven't understood how Utility Umbrella works.

If an attacker is holding a Utility Umbrella and uses Solar Beam under Rain, its Base Power will not be halved to 60. However, if an attacker holding a Utility Umbrella uses a Fire-type move under Primordial Sea, that move will still fail. The Fire-type move would only avoid failing if the defender were holding a Utility Umbrella. The same applies to the damage modifiers from Sunny Day and Rain Dance: it is the defender’s Utility Umbrella that suppresses those modifiers, not the attacker’s.

Through the same logic, Mega Meganium OHKOing Politoed can be explained simply by Solar Beam’s Base Power being protected from rain because of Mega Sol. That has nothing to do with it suppressing rain’s damage modifier. As far as we know, that is an effect "attached" to the defender.

I’m not saying you’re wrong, I’m saying you have no basis for your statements.
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i think i misread what cuddly put
 
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