MixiKen, the new MixApe?

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MixiKen, the OU worthy Blaziken.

Me and Anti were discussing the possibility of a Mixed sweeping Blaziken. It hs the stats, better than Infernape, but not the speed, something crucial in todays metagame. We spent a few weeks planning this, when it finally came together. With the following EV spread to take out most of the common threats Blaziken faces, and to outspeed Sceptile and his base 120 friends, I present to you, MixiKen:

Blaziken @ Choice scarf
Rash nature (+sp.att -Sp.def)
136 Sp.att/160 Att/212 Speed
-Overheat
-Hidden power Ice
-Stone edge/Thunder punch
-Sky uppercut

This is the Wall breaker, just like MixApe. EVs generate x/316/x/319/x/249. That 249 speed turns into 373, which (correct me If I am wrong) outspeeds positive Base 120's like Sceptile and Dugtrio.
Unfortunately, Blaziken can't take a hit on either side, but since he can outspeed many of his threats and even 1 HKO them with the spread/movesets, that will not be a problem in most cases.

DAMAGE CALCULATIONS

Hidden power Ice (Base 70 in mind)
Minimum Def, 6 HP Neutral Salamence - 100.00% - 117.77%
Minimum Def, 6 HP Neutral Garchomp - 88.27% - 103.91%
Maximum Def, Maximum HP Neutral Donphan - 54.17% - 63.54%

As you can see, HP Ice is a definate 1 HKO on All Salamence with minor the standard minimum defence/6 HP. KOing a Garchomp in 1 hit may prove to be a problem, but with Spikes/SR Support, the chances of a 1 HKO are even higher. Donphan, a great wall to counter Blaziken gets 2 HKOed Indefinately by Hidden power ice, with Donphan's earthquake no KOing Blaziken.

Overheat
Maximum HP, 98 Sp.def Positive Bronzong - 89.64% - 105.62%
Maximum HP, minimum Sp.def Neutral Skarmory - 164.37% - 193.11%

Overheat is a truly exceptional move in this set, taking out 2 top tier Physical walls. They come in expecting pysical attack, but instead they heat a super effective Overheat. A Possible 1 HKO on Positive Bronzong with EVs above, but nobody would use Sassy as Relaxed is the better option for Bronzong. With a neutral nature, Bronzong gets 98.52% - 115.68%, a very big chance of a 1 HKO. Skarmory just gets 1 HKOed anyway, so no need to talk about that one :D

Stone edge
"BulkyGyara" (212 HP, 180 Def Neutral Gyarados) - 54.95% - 64.58%
Minimum Def, 6 HP Neutral Salamence - 77.11% - 90.66%

The two counters mentioned on the Blaziken Analysis are hit pretty hard by a Stone edge. BulkyGyara would survive of course, because as we all know, it is an incredibly bulky variation. But, Salamence takes a good amount of damage, definate 1 HKO with SR support.

Sky uppercut
148 HP, 252 Def Positive Blissey - 71.37% - 84.01%
Minimum Def, 6 HP Neutral Tyrannitar - 147.37% - 173.39%

Blissey is practicaly screwed, with a large chunk of damage being dealt to it. MixiKen's Sky uppercut does about exactly the same damage to Blissey as does MixApe with Close combat (72.53% - 85.47%). Tyrannitar gets 1 HKOed, but nobody really sends in Tyrannitar against Blaziken.

Counters
I seriously cannot think of any reliable counters for this. Maybe a Mixed wall Dusknoir? Most physical walls get screwed by Overheat/HP Ice. Most special walls get screwed by Stone edge/Sky uppercut. Cresselia is a reliable counter though, with her outstanding HP and Great Neutral Sp.def as a physical wall. Slowbro is a worthy counter of this set, if you opt for stone edge. Thunderpunch leaves a small dent though.

In conclusion
I think that this new Blaziken is OU Worthy. It can be just as good as MixApe at stall breaking and wall breaking. Who knows... It could take the OU tier by storm with the right user. Ive been using this on shoddy for a while, since it was released in my Smogon Trade thread. Though this does have a problem with a few Water types/Cressilia, make sure you take them out before bringing out your new secret weapon, MixiKen.

Thank you, Giant enemy crab.
 
I want to say give it at least enough Speed EVs to outspeed Weaville, but then that would be less EVs that you'd put into Attack; eh, it's something to consider. Also, perhaps Focus Punch if you're into predicting, but that of course means a guaranteed switch for your opponent since a CScarf user locked into Focus Punch would suck. Shame Blaziken doesn't get CC.
 
@ Shinryuu- TruFax. But when a Sky uppercut does as much damage as a close combat without the Lower defences, Thats great. Focus punch a sole Fighting move would not work without Sub or Spore/Hypnosis.
@ Jesska- 1 word answer? Well done.
 
Hmm...as a religious Blaziken user, I'll say that it's a good set. Nothing new mind, there's a very similar (albeit less detailed) thread here:

http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28284&highlight=Blaziken

As for counters, I find the most common counter to Blaziken is Starmie/Gyara. Gyarados is handled nicely by Stone Edge provided it hits twice in a row, but Starmie will be a little more difficult to handle. Assuming best case scenario and you predict and hit it with a Stone Edge, it does barely 40% to the standard spinner Starmie.

And it still doesn't have a great deal over Infernape. The fact that you're using a Choice Scarf to hit 373, whilst Infernape hits 346 without says a lot. I think this same set on Infernape, but with a Life Orb would end up hurting the opponent a lot more. MixApe's power lies in his ability to MIX his attacks. This Blaziken would have to switch out everytime it wanted to mix it's attacks around.

Baton Passing is where it's at for Blaziken, believe me. Don't make him an inferior Infernape.
 
I am a religious Blaziken believer too. Nice too meet you.

BP Blaziken is always good, but I have found so much success with this thing. Also, who would keep this in against Starmie anyways?

This does have something over Blaziken, it needs minor EV investment to be as powerful as Infernape. But I can see where everyone is coming from.
 
Nice to meet you too. Blaziken forever! :)

Also, who would keep this in against Starmie anyways?
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That's not the point. Everytime you send out Blaziken, the opponent can bring in Starmie, take the attack and Recover the damage whilst Blaziken switches out. Rinse and repeat for the rest of the match and your Blaziken will have no effect on the battle at all.

However, Stone Edge does have a high crit ratio so the opponent would have to be careful.
 
I added Thunderpunch as an alternative to stone edge. Thunderpunch pretty much covers what Stone edge does. Hits Gyarados for the 1HKO and does something to Starmie.

What does stone edge do for it anyway?
 
Good point, Thunderpunch really helps this set by covering Starmie and raping Gyarados a lot more effectively. However, it's a free switch to a Ground/Electivire/Volt Absorber once the opponnt realises you're choiced.

Watch out for Dugtrio as well, lol.
 
HP Ice covers Duggy and friends. Blazikens mediocre speed really hits it hard which is why i feel for it :(
 
Ok, Ill add SLowbro to the Counters list. What do you think of the generel set though X-Act?
 
I just got what you meant after I posted that, sorry.

Could Salac berry be an option for a hold item in this set?
 
This is a nice set, I always liked Blaziken's look more than Infernape, which I thought looked stupid. Huzzah kung-fu fighting chicken.
 
Thank you Zodar. If this cant sweep OU, this can really make a difference in BL, where it is most likely to stay.
 
Honestly, I think that since Blaziken's only saving grace over Infernape is that it has actually higher attacking stats, then you should raise the stat that it's bad in, i.e. Speed. So, yeah, if I would use Blaziken for any reason, I would also slap a Choice Scarf.

I would actually give it more speed though. 196 EVs in Speed with a +Speed nature gives it 405 speed. I'm not saying to give it that much speed, but to increase the speed. 240 EVs with Rash nature (i.e. your nature) outspeeds base 125s, for instance. It's important to outspeed certain threats.
 
If I took out the EVs from Attack but kept the rash nature, that would be OK as Blaziken does around 75% on average to all of those. As long as it can get a 2 HKO in, its ok, so Reduce att EVs and add to speed EVs?
 
Im guessing Swampert could probably counter it. I dont know what would give it more damage, HP Ice or Sky uppercut.
 
Sky Uppercut obviously does more, but I think it isn't even a 3 HKO unless you get a critcal hit against a cursepert (careful,180 def, 88 sp def, 240 hp), altough I might of made a mistake entering the stats.
 
I've been considering the posibility of a Blaziken set (only in my mind though) for about a week now. He is similar to Mixape except he is played more as a "hit and run" pokemon (overheat is damn good). If only he learnt Close Combat... and for the record, is Tpunch only available in Emerald?
 
Giant Enemy Crab said:
Counters
I seriously cannot think of any reliable counters for this. Maybe a Mixed wall Dusknoir? Most physical walls get screwed by Overheat/HP Ice. Most special walls get screwed by Stone edge/Sky uppercut. Cresselia is a reliable counter though, with her outstanding HP and Great Neutral Sp.def as a physical wall. Slowbro is a worthy counter of this set, if you opt for stone edge. Thunderpunch leaves a small dent though.

In conclusion
I think that this new Blaziken is OU Worthy. It can be just as good as MixApe at stall breaking and wall breaking. Who knows... It could take the OU tier by storm with the right user. Ive been using this on shoddy for a while, since it was released in my Smogon Trade thread. Though this does have a problem with a few Water types/Cressilia, make sure you take them out before bringing out your new secret weapon, MixiKen.
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Swampert laughs at this,

also worthy of mention are Suicune who takes 23.51% - 27.72% (avoiding even a 4hko) and Vaporeon who takes only 31.70% - 37.28% (Impossible to 3hko when considering Leftovers) from Thunderpunch. Milotic I'm sure is not far behind that, and if Marvel Scale were activated, it wouldn't be even close.

Isn't Blaziken already BL? What difference to you does it make effectively if he's classed BL/OU? They play in the same tier...
 
Its a shame Blaziken doesnt get grass knot.

Im saying he can make a substitute for mixape if anyone prefers Blaziken...
 
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