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So here's what I found:

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It looks like he still has the same old problem. At this point of a landing, your arm should be up (though elbow below the shoulder level). His arm is too far behind, and it looks to be perfectly straight . His timing is putrid and he's not going to be able to use his entire body as a source of power. It's all arm, and he's due up for more injuries.
 
you should check out strasburg's delivery. looks like another mark prior waiting to happen *snicker*.

you heard it here first folks strasburg will crash and burn.
 
I've read a ton of things about Strasburg. His delivery is worrisome, but it isn't quite as bad as Prior's. I'd be more inclined to say he'll end up like Kerry Wood.
 
Kelly Johnson is a beast. It may seem like I'm going to contradict myself here, but his batted ball rates suggests he's on his way to a breakout season.
 
Uhm, are you serious? The workload may have played a part in his horrendous streak of injuries, but the main problem was his train wreck mechanics.
 
Lol I swear our closing position is cursed. Feliz had an awesome rookie season and now has given up a few home runs in both his last closes. Conversely, Frank Francisco who's blown a few saves this season has done really well in the set up position. CJ Wilson becoming a starter has cursed the position!!! >.<
 
i think rangers brass is afraid of him pitching too many innings, so their thinking is a relief role minimizes workload and gives them a dominant closer.
 
Then they should limit him to a pitch count.

It's incredibly stupid they're putting him in the 'pen. He's a great pitcher, and a pitcher of his ability should either be given the opportunity or kept in the minors so his arbitration clock doesn't start ticking.

I bet the Rangers' management went for a mentality of, "we need someone to shut guys down in the ninth inning!"

Seriously. The ninth inning is not more valuable than the other eight innings. Six innings every start for a season of say, a 4 (and I'm being incredibly lenient here. Feliz has the ability to do much better than that) ERA is much more valuable than a 1 ERA in 70 innings.
 
alright i apologize for that remark i researched a bit more.

I have been posting on IGN's baseball board since 2005, in which i clearly remember saying "mark prior had poor mechanics" and getting jumped on by the most knowledgeable guy on the board that he had perfect mechanics.

feliz should be in the rotation but they dont want to overwork him. plus their rotation is pretty sound right now so i dont know know if he will even get there this year.
 
You can read some of Chris O'Leary's work about pitching mechanics. The man is a genius, and will thoroughly explain why Prior's mechanics are horrendous.

Also, I was reading one of his entries the other day, and it appears Tom House is the primary source for saying Prior had perfect mechanics. Tom House, the same guy that created Prior's mechanics. Of course he's going to say such a thing, or else he would be criticizing his own techniques.
 
LETS GO METS

by god, it's been so long since i've seen the mets play well that i am so excited. i know that the pitching cant keep up, but the offense up until today had much room to improve. i hope we can find a nice equilibrium! phils arent looking strong right and they have middle relief and bullpen issues. plus they like giving out stupid contracts. seriously, a 5 year, $125M to a player that was under control til the end of 2011 (and will be 32 then) and they couldnt pony up the $$$ to keep cliff lee? please, i'll have whatever the phillies front office is smoking.
 
As much as I'm not a big Overbay fan myself, I find it pretty funny that nobody here has mentioned his 4 RBI's and 3 Hits (including a homer) in that high scoring game two days ago, after he was being bagged out for an entire page in this thread.
 
As much as I'm not a big Overbay fan myself, I find it pretty funny that nobody here has mentioned his 4 RBI's and 3 Hits (including a homer) in that high scoring game two days ago, after he was being bagged out for an entire page in this thread.

Hooray for bwebber defending him?
 
watching roy halladay live and in person (from practically right behind first base!!) mow through a lineup is a work of art. even if he was mowing down my mets and we lost 10-0, the man is so good, he should be illegal.
 
I would like to take a moment to acknowledge how awesome the cardinals starting pitching has been for the most part.

That is all.
 
i hate to admit it, but johan is 3/4 of the pitcher halladay is. the missing 1/4 are the 8th and 9th innings in every game. nobody does it like roy anymore.

i just hope the philly offense is done for the series, wasting 10 runs on halladay's start when they only needed 1. they are probably gonna need those runs with old man moyer going today!
 
i hate to admit it, but johan is 3/4 of the pitcher halladay is. the missing 1/4 are the 8th and 9th innings in every game. nobody does it like roy anymore.

i just hope the philly offense is done for the series, wasting 10 runs on halladay's start when they only needed 1. they are probably gonna need those runs with old man moyer going today!

Well, Santana has had the better career thus far.
 
bwebber, I do not see how anyone could ever legitimately make that claim.

When you compare their career numbers in terms of ERA, WHIP, or other pitching metrics it is pretty much splitting hairs, Santana may have slightly better numbers overall but we are talking about domination from both parties.

It should also be noted that Roy Halladay had absolutely dismal 1999 and 2000 campaigns where he might as well have been a different pitcher. After the 2000 season where he allowed 80 runs in 60 some odd innings he went down to AAA and basically reinvented himself, developing the trademark movement on his fastball that you see today, so it really is only fair to start comparing from this point. Even if you count these years, however, the numbers are still close.

I'm sure we can both agree stats are not everything though...

The deciding factor here is blatantly obvious: divisional play. Halladay spent his career dominating the offensive titans of the Yankees and Red Sox (and more recently the Rays) while Santana fed off tigers and royals teams that were complete jokes in the mid 2000s and some bad Indians teams too.

I crunched some numbers to see how right I was, and lo and behold:

Career Stats vs AL East
Santana: 289.2 IP, 3.73 era, 1.22 whip.
Halladay: 965.1 IP, 3.35 era, 1.17 whip.

Again keep in mind that this includes those dismal two seasons. When you can do that much better over that much long of a time, that is impressive.

The kicker? This should be all you really need to see to close out this argument:

Career Stats vs New York Yankees
Santana: 57.1 IP 4.40 era, 1.38 whip
Halladay: 247.1 IP, 2.84 era, 1.11 whip

Were talking about unbelievable numbers here in a huge sample size against the best offensive team in baseball through the decade. After almost 250 IP no one on that team could figure Halladay out. He clearly steps up his game to his competition, and makes you wonder just how good he would be in the playoffs.

Moving on from the division argument, the 52 complete games to 9 is another focal point. You cannot really put a qualitative value on a CG towards your bullpen, you just have to realize it is invaluable. Toronto is notorious for having one of the better bullpens in baseball with relatively no name pitchers. It is quite simply because they all get to rest every fifth day. How far do you want your best pitcher to go? I am sure any manager would answer "all the way" any day of the year. Well too bad Santana too often isn't capable of that... Halladay has proven again and again he is. Santana doesn't win you games alone; he will likely get you into the 7th with a good shot of winning but there is still work to be done. Halladay will get the job done all on his own, at maybe a slightly less statistically impressive pace in terms of era/whip. It still should not be a question of who is the better pitcher, and who any sane team would rather have.

Roy Halladay > Johan Santana, no questions asked.
 
and if that wasnt enough, santana has given up 10 runs so far in 3.2

i take it back. santana's not even half the pitcher halladay is. not even a quarter as good. he walked JAMIE MOYER with the bases loaded. not just any pitcher, jamie fucking moyer and his 47 years of experience after being spotted 5 runs. absolutely pathetic. i hope its just the after effects of surgery or something but santana at this point should not even be mentioned in the same breath as someone like halladay or lincecum or ubaldo jimenez.
 
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