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a triple post outside of firebot...
WHAT THE FUCK!!
anyways, damn the jays. i mean i knew they were going to suck but after going 5-1 you figuired they would keep it up for at least another week :(
WHAT THE FUCK!!
anyways, damn the jays. i mean i knew they were going to suck but after going 5-1 you figuired they would keep it up for at least another week :(
Didn't see a rule against it, but if that's one of the things that bothers people, I apologize. Though to be fair, the second came a week after the first, lol.
Two notes from today:
The only interesting part of the ridiculously long Mets/Cards game was either the 3 times the Cards had bases loaded in extras with a pitcher at bat, and the last 2 innings in which a Center fielder had to pitch the last two innings for the Cards while K rod blew a save and Pelfrey got the save.
Second: Fantasy baseball has once agains crewed me over as it seems players only have career days when I face them (im looking right at you Ubaldo Jimenez)
cards/mets was hilarious. tony larussa was basically gifting the game to the mets, leaving pitchers in to hit when the bases were loaded (TWICE) in extras, and then using position players to pitch. i don't know whats more pathetic, watching a pitcher play left field or watching the mets make pop outs against joe mather. i don't even know why they were swinging; i was not fully convinced mather could get 3 pitches over for strikes without it being like BP.
today was just a crazy baseball day. a-rod's 584th home run, ubaldo jimenez no hitter, and mets/cards play 20 innings, with a closer getting the win and a starter getting the save.
today was just a crazy baseball day. a-rod's 584th home run, ubaldo jimenez no hitter, and mets/cards play 20 innings, with a closer getting the win and a starter getting the save.
lyle overbay has a serious case for worst major leaguer currently employed.
and that lincecum stat is unbelievable lol this could be the tightest cy young race ever with lincecum and halladay, one of them is going to have an absolutely amazing season and not get it.
and that lincecum stat is unbelievable lol this could be the tightest cy young race ever with lincecum and halladay, one of them is going to have an absolutely amazing season and not get it.
Who thinks the red sox will ditch papi and get carlos delgado ?
Why are so many Jays fans so hard on Overbay? It's only been two weeks, so I suggest you give him time. Besides, he's an average hitting first baseman with good defense, and he makes less than $10 mil a year. You're getting him at a good price. He's not a superstar, never was, never will be, but he's a reliable player with an affordable contract.
As for the Cy Young race, it's not just between Timmy and Roy. Santana is one of the best in the business himself, and Haren is a top five pitcher in the league. It's going to be close, though I'd say it'll go to Roy or Timmy. Just don't count out either Haren or Santana.
Heck, there's even guys like Ubaldo, J. Johnson, and Gallardo who could surprise. Who knows, but the NL is certainly stacked with talented pitchers.
we are hard on him because he is shit. hes batting less than 0.080 as of right now. I don't care if its less than 2 weeks in. He had a week spring training and is batting an abysmal value that i dont even want to type EVER AGAIN. He has no home runs, and only 3 RBI batting after wells and lind!!!
He also made an error today letting a simple groundball through his legs in the ninth inning of a 1-0 game. We lost 3-1.
Hell, john mcdonald is batting with more power and consistency than overbay.
It's not about "taking time to settle in". It's only been two weeks, and point being, it's an incredibly minuscule sample size for anyone to be making assessments. These two weeks, from a "player evaluation" point of view, means absolutely nothing.
Again with the small sample size. Seriously now. Is Teixeira a bad player because he's been bad for two weeks? Lol...
And lol, RBI. Isn't that a bit too situational and too team dependable for it to mean anything?
Selective memory. Overbay is still a good fielder, despite that.
Again, it's been two weeks.
overbay is not the doubles machine he once was, he has been a below average major league player for 2 years now, and plays a position where offense is not only not very hard to find but almost necessary.
The difference between overbay and an average fielder defensively at a position like first base is maybe 10 runs over a whole season, but the offense is just terrible compared to his peers at 1b. He is not even taking walks like he used to.
The final and biggest thing is last year he caused a shitstorm in the clubhouse about how he was very upset that he had to platoon with Millar and wasnt left in to hit left handers, and he blamed this for his poor production. So now this year to prove a point, our manager is leaving him in every fucking game and never pinch hitting for him ever, and starting him against really tough lefties to I guess let overbay dig his own grave, and prove to himself he is shit. It is not helping our team at all but serves him right for being a baby.
We have a much, much, much better right handed hitting first baseman in Randy Ruiz on our bench, and we have Brett Wallace absolutely demolishing AAA, and yet we have this tool taking up our major league 1b spot. He also can't be moved from the 5 hole or his feelings will be hurt.
We desperately tried to trade him this offseason, and no one wanted him, and for good reason. He is probably the worst starting 1b in baseball. Not even the Mariners wanted their hometown kid, they instead opted for Casey Kotchman.
He's the worst.
The difference between overbay and an average fielder defensively at a position like first base is maybe 10 runs over a whole season, but the offense is just terrible compared to his peers at 1b. He is not even taking walks like he used to.
The final and biggest thing is last year he caused a shitstorm in the clubhouse about how he was very upset that he had to platoon with Millar and wasnt left in to hit left handers, and he blamed this for his poor production. So now this year to prove a point, our manager is leaving him in every fucking game and never pinch hitting for him ever, and starting him against really tough lefties to I guess let overbay dig his own grave, and prove to himself he is shit. It is not helping our team at all but serves him right for being a baby.
We have a much, much, much better right handed hitting first baseman in Randy Ruiz on our bench, and we have Brett Wallace absolutely demolishing AAA, and yet we have this tool taking up our major league 1b spot. He also can't be moved from the 5 hole or his feelings will be hurt.
We desperately tried to trade him this offseason, and no one wanted him, and for good reason. He is probably the worst starting 1b in baseball. Not even the Mariners wanted their hometown kid, they instead opted for Casey Kotchman.
He's the worst.
well there was the potential chris snyder deal that was retracted due to injury concerns. overbay has been a serviceable first baseman at a relatively bargain price given his advantages with the glove. his power is mediocre but the past two seasons have seen him post impressive obp which is the more valuable offensive metric (as opposed to slugging). i like ops+ compared to ops for that reason (adjusts for park factors and luck as well).
what blows is that he is sucking to start the year and god knows how long it will continue, meaning any trade value this guy had is being totally sapped. apparently he suffered a minor injury during training camp which is sure to make him untradeable.
bring on the brett wallace era! the dude has been raking, as well as travis d'arnaud.
edit: btw check out tim collins thus far in AA. the dude has 9 strikeouts in 4.1 innings, with a hit and two walks given up (no runs either). he's only 20 years old, barely 5'8" and his heater tops out at 92 maybe? ridiculous. this guy is the next billy wagner minus the 100 mph fastball (lol kinda a big thing to be missing to be fair). and this is normal for him. how he does it i have NO idea.
what blows is that he is sucking to start the year and god knows how long it will continue, meaning any trade value this guy had is being totally sapped. apparently he suffered a minor injury during training camp which is sure to make him untradeable.
bring on the brett wallace era! the dude has been raking, as well as travis d'arnaud.
edit: btw check out tim collins thus far in AA. the dude has 9 strikeouts in 4.1 innings, with a hit and two walks given up (no runs either). he's only 20 years old, barely 5'8" and his heater tops out at 92 maybe? ridiculous. this guy is the next billy wagner minus the 100 mph fastball (lol kinda a big thing to be missing to be fair). and this is normal for him. how he does it i have NO idea.
Not true - he had a 114 OPS+ from '08-'09.
Again, not true. The average first baseman hit .277/.363/.483 last year, and Overbay hit .265/.372/.466. He's right at average, plus his good defense.
So as you can see, he's been as good as ever as far as walks go. The struggles this season is based on a minuscule sample size of two weeks.
I didn't know that. It doesn't really make him any less of a player though, just less of a person.
That's because Kotchman has much more upside and isn't eligible for free agency yet.
@ Ivar: D'Arnaud isn't ready yet, and are you talking about this Tim Collins?
He's not going to last with that delivery. It's a clear sign of the Inverted W, and with his small frame and hard fastball, don't be surprised if he ends up having numerous TJS's before he even hits the big leagues. Cripes. The Jays are chalk full of pitchers with horrendous deliveries.
i never meant d'arnaud was ready just that he was raking to begin the year. he's only in high A i think.
as to the delivery of collins, i never looked into it. very astute observation and it might explain why so many jays pitchers have been injured (poor minor league instruction). it's difficult to pin that on arnsberg (i was kinda relieved that he left and what do you know romero looks good without him) but bj ryan, adjustments made on marcum, casey jansenn, jesse litch maybe, burnett (he's always been hurt... but he's always been with arnsberg until the yankess!) make me worry.
as to the delivery of collins, i never looked into it. very astute observation and it might explain why so many jays pitchers have been injured (poor minor league instruction). it's difficult to pin that on arnsberg (i was kinda relieved that he left and what do you know romero looks good without him) but bj ryan, adjustments made on marcum, casey jansenn, jesse litch maybe, burnett (he's always been hurt... but he's always been with arnsberg until the yankess!) make me worry.
Sorry, I misinterpreted the part about D'Arnaud, simply because you brought up Wallace in the same sentence.
Really, the Jays need to do something about the pitching development. Morrow and Tallet have terrible deliveries as well, as did League... Ooh, and Richmond, Drabek... And the list goes on. Halladay and Romero (were) are the only ones without troublesome mechanics.
I'd blame it on the scouts for taking these guys, as well as the pitching development for not fixing the problem.
So with overbay we are talking about a first baseman with below average power/slugging at his position who has shown the ability to take a walk in the past, has no speed (not that any first baseman really does), and who otherwise produces average numbers with above average defense at a position where, again, defense really doesn't matter that much.
Then take into account he has already peaked and will only get worse from here. Then consider the fact that we have a player who has done nothing but perform every opportunity he has gotten, has upside and really just needs an opportunity to establish himself at the major league level in Randy Ruiz, and you can see why Jays fans are frustrated.
Randy Ruiz should be starting, we are just keeping overbay in to pray he performs so we can get SOMETHING back in a trade, or at least have him leave as a type B free agent or something.
Can't wait for wallace!
Then take into account he has already peaked and will only get worse from here. Then consider the fact that we have a player who has done nothing but perform every opportunity he has gotten, has upside and really just needs an opportunity to establish himself at the major league level in Randy Ruiz, and you can see why Jays fans are frustrated.
Randy Ruiz should be starting, we are just keeping overbay in to pray he performs so we can get SOMETHING back in a trade, or at least have him leave as a type B free agent or something.
Can't wait for wallace!
Randy Ruiz is a 32 year old minor leaguer who's bounced from team to team to team to team over the years, and he hasn't even had a full season yet. I'm not exactly sure what upside he has. He only had 130 PA last year, and I suggest people lay off the small sample sizes.
Overbay has more value, and starting him will benefit the organization more since he has greater value.
Overbay has more value, and starting him will benefit the organization more since he has greater value.
have you even watched overbay play or are you basing ALL of these "small sample sizes dont count" off statistics. If you watch him play this year you will notice that his bat is pretty slow. He makes weak contact with the ball. Even when ruiz gets out his balls are hit much harder than when overbay gets a hit (aside from that double today :O).
jays broadcast talked about mechanical changes made to morrow's delivery. he pitched effectively last night and there was a notable change: previously his arm was not vertical at his shoulder turn, which from what i can remember should increase the distance his arm passes through the rotation phase, forcing it to lay back violently and causing a forearm bounce. this increases the risk of shoulder injury and what do you know morrow has had nagging shoulder injuries throughout his career.
im not sure if his new delivery is an improvement but he had a great night (7IP, 3H, 2BB and 8SO), and he had 5 no-hit innings to start the game.
Yeah... again, small sample size... and selective memory. It means nothing.
@ Ivar:
Could you provide me with a pic from the game? I'd like to see what improvements he made.
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