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Aw hell yeah. D-Backs have taken some ground now (even though they dropped today's game...)
But still, I'm satisfied with how this series went. Gained one game. Take it one step at a time.
Better not let him hear you have a crush on him. He looks like he might give you a roofie-coolada and give you the best 35 seconds of your life.
Yes because it reminds me the Jays traded him for a terrible reliever who has the same confidence and choking obsession as a bulimic teenage girl.
Ding dong. The Pirates are dead.
How is it bad? We dumped two guys who would NEVER get a chance at regular playing time, an expendable prospect (don't forget, we do have Nick Costellanos who is >>>>>>>>>>that other guy i forget his name), and a dime a dozen reliever that we could replace in next years draft and/or free agency. In return, we get a reliable and cheap 3rd starter under team control for a couple of years (or so i have heard...). Don't forget, next year Jacob Turner gets a shot at the rotation, and if he makes it and puts up quality starts like last Saturday, Tigers got themselves a great rotation.
Edit: Also kind of sad that the Pirates are dead.
- Because you don't deal prospects because you have another guy at that position, ESPECIALLY when they are as far away as Nick Castellanos. Castellanos, as talented as he is, is more likely to flame out than succeed. That's simply the nature of this business. Besides, just because you have depth at one position it doesn't mean you should deal him for a guy who plays a spot where you need but is clearly an inferior talent. That's like if the Rays dealt Matt Moore for someone like Chris Iannetta or Clint Barmes or something.
- Chance Ruffin a dime a dozen reliever? WHAT? Do you honestly know anything about him? (actually, don't answer that, because the answer is quite obvious. But here's a request: Don't talk about things you know nothing about) The dime a dozen reliever in this deal is David Pauley. Ruffin coming out of the draft was touted as a fast rising, fringe closer/strong set up man type. Not only that, but he won't be eligible for free agency until after the 2017 season. He'll be making league minimum from 2012-2014, so if you'd rather overpay for a high leverage reliever of Ruffin's caliber through free agency, then all the power to you.
- "we get a reliable and cheap 3rd starter under team control for a couple of years"? Overrating a recent Tigers acquisition 101, brought to you by J-man. Nothing Fister has done indicates that he's anything more than a #4 starter. Quit looking at the ERA. Unless Fister starts throwing 95+ from now on and develops a hammer curve ball while maintaining his command, then yeah, this is a good trade for Detroit, but for some strange reason I don't think that will ever happen.
- Also, what in the living hell does Turner getting a shot next year have anything to do with this being a bad trade for Detroit? Oh yeah, absolutely nothing.
Let's go Red Sox, their back to 1st place in American League East.
Because Sabathia decided to use pretty much only Fastballs when he didn't have control of that pitch. And then Ellsbury took him deep....
You know what, he deserves to lose for something that stupid. I swear, most of the time, Giradi seems to ignore all statistics about his players and just let them play. Starting Garcia against the Sox.... Give me a break. Now we lost the series.
Ellsbury's a beast.
Who's Garcia? And I expected the Yankees to put up a better fight, especially Jeter.
Freddy Garcia, the former Seattle ace who is apparently our number 3 :/. I'd honestly be more confortable with Nova pitching. I just don't see him winning against the Sox, let alone Beckett.
You can never say a trade was bad or good until a couple years after and you see the effects. For example, when the Brave traded for Mark Teixeira a couple years ago from Texas, the gave them Matt Harrison, Elvis Andrus, and Neftali Feliz, who were all minor leaguers at the time. Now, the Braves no longer have Teixeira and lost three great prospects, two which went to the world series last year. Another good example was the Granderson trade. Last year, Grandy was injured and played only okay for the Bombers, while Jackson had an amazing season. This year, Granderson is having an explosive year, and is in the top three in Home Runs, Runs Scored, and RBI in the MLB. Jackson... not so much. Anyway, Bwebber is right that trade could be much worse for you. I would have never traded Ruffin since Valverde needs a good bridge man, and Joaquin Benoit isn't having a good year, and Al Alberquerque is great but you do need some to bridge the seventh or eighth.
Also, Turner's not getting a shot until Brad Penny's contract is done.
Oh. Is Roger Clemens still on the Yankees?
This has got to be the cheapest cop out in history. Every time someone says this it makes me want to punch a puppy in the nose and then murder it. You don't judge moves based on hindsight (unless one party new something about the players being traded that everybody else didn't). You can't excuse a bad trade by saying, "oh well then Mr smarty British trousers, how dare you criticize that deal?! You don't judge anything until Captain Hindsight flies in! PSHAW PSHAW HABERDASH. Now excuse me while drink my tea with my pinky pointing outwards and proceed to sell my wife and children to buy a lottery ticket."
Huh? What? Who cares if they were minor leaguers? You know, assertions like that are one of the things that really annoy me, and how the media covers it certainly doesn't help. Just because they're prospects and can't contribute right away it doesn't mean they aren't of value; besides, when the deal was made, some regarded that as an over payment for the Braves anyway.
So you're telling me that this "change" thing actually exists? You don't say. Besides, that's a horrible example. That has nothing to do with this.
Oh my nanny Mary, however will we dispose of
A couple things
-Brad Penny is on a one year contract. I'm not sure what incentives are, but based on his performance this year i doubt he gets them. Next year there will be a flat out war for our fifth start.
-On Juaquin Benoit. The stats lie, just saying. Watch him on any ordinary night in the 8th inning. He's fine.
To be fair, Francisco Martinez is not our Matt Moore. Costellanos would be the Matt Moore in this situation. But anyways, none of these guys we traded are on the level of Matt Moore. What a bloated example... I do like however that this your opinion on one very highly thought of prospect....
...and this is your opinion of another of our highly thought of prospects, or do you remember this?
I have a hard time believing anyone can pinpoint whether one prospect will have success and one prospect won't, especially when they are both highly thought of. They're prospects. We can't tell if they will succeed or not until they make the big leagues and perform regularly up to the expectations they should reasonably have at their skill level. Again i bring up Ryan Perry. He was dynamite in the minors, and he lays eggs in the majors.
There's the whole, "What have you done for me lately" thing. Oh yeah, Fister's done some pretty good pitching for me lately. Until he blows up, I can't call this a bad trade.
Most certainly would have nothing to do with the fact Charlie Furbush was lower on the depth chart and me demonstrating why he and Francisco Martinez were expendable because the Tigers (who have what, 5th highest payroll in MLB?) had other seeming superior options and could easily replace them with the flick of one Mr. Illitch's wrist from his pocket to bring out his wallet to draw in a decent replacement while we wait for our future to hopefully fill in voids in positions needed. i agree that small portion was about a good rotation was unnecessary. Nope, not at all. It meant nothing
Didn't know about Penny's contract. But regardless, he's very meh. And Benoit may be having a good year, but he isn't the pitcher he was with Tampa Bay. At least he's not as bad as Grant Balfour...
Also, last night's Yankee-Red Sox game was heart breaking for us Yankee fans but a great game overall. Garcia actually went toe-to-toe with Beckett and practically won. Nice.
Pirates anyone? Where are those Pirates fans now?
This is probably the Pirates best season in a while.
Yeah, those pirates being 10.5 out of the playoffs and all. I guess Minnesota is doing OK too...
Sorry, double post
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You know, that almost made sense. Almost.
Point is, you don`t know what kind of depth you have when those players are in the lower minors. You can`t count on Castellanos to become a cog on the main roster and then suddenly deal guys at his position. It`s acceptable when those guys are in the upper minors, but not when they`re teenagers.
Castellanos is highly thought of because he`s young, talented and has upside. But no one in their right mind would actually expect him to become a good major leaguer. Having talent is only part of being a major leaguer; having skills is another, and that`s an aspect where Castellanos still need a ton of work.
Nice cop out. Actually, no, it isn`t.
lol you really think this deal is about Furbush, the loogyé5th starterÉ
also, my keyboard is being really buggy. someone help me
Lastly, DBACKS ARE IN FIRST PLACE WHOOO WHOOO WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Non Sequitur?
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Wait, I just said that.
He'll probably make the jump next year to a higher A team in our system after leading his league in several? One? Offensive stats, so it's not such a crazy guess that he'll replace Francisco Martinez this year or next at AA. I couldn't care less about Age, it means nothing until you're in your late 30's.
That's why we have a minor league system and a big fat wallet to plug in third basemen on the tigers 'till he's deemed ready.
It's not a cop out. It may take time, but it's the only way you can fairly base the trade on. If Fister provides quality starts for the Tigers, and the prospects turn up sour on Seattle, Win-Tigers. If Fister blows up, which he hasn't yet, and the prospects help Seattle out, win-Mariners, lose-Tigers. It takes time, you can't slap an instant success/failure on a trade until it the end of the season when you can evaluate the full impact the players had on their new teams, and even then when there are prospects involved you can't say squat until they get their shot at the majors. And EVEN THEN, there could be transactions that will affect how you review a trade.
O rly?
J-man said:
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I've always wanted to do that... I'm disappointed in myself though, i should have added how Casper Wells was expendable as well...J-man said:
Also, Can anyone tell me what it's like having a team littered with talent and actually not underachieving with that talent?
Can I drag everyone's attention to quite possibly the dumbest article I have ever seen on ESPN?
http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/6837424/baseball-toronto-blue-jays-suspicion-again-stealing-signs-rogers-centre
edit - Does anyone want to come to a Blue Jays game wearing a white shirt and sit in center field with me?
http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/6837424/baseball-toronto-blue-jays-suspicion-again-stealing-signs-rogers-centre
edit - Does anyone want to come to a Blue Jays game wearing a white shirt and sit in center field with me?
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