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Inferno, Zap Cannon: are you crazy? These moves are overpower thanks to their high base power and their guaranteed secondary effect.
With these moves, the No Guard set will overshadow the Magic Guard set.
Before adding the other coverage moves, we should clarify its threatlist: wasn't it made by Rock, Fighting, Water and Ground?
Inferno, Zap Cannon: are you crazy? These moves are overpower thanks to their high base power and their guaranteed secondary effect.
With these moves, the No Guard set will overshadow the Magic Guard set.
After reading this and thinking things through, I don't understand where Zap Cannon came from. Inferno is bad enough but I still stand by what I said about it. As for Zap Cannon, I think it would be slightly overpowered to give free burns and paras to pretty much anything. I removed Zap Cannon from my moveset.
EDIT: Also, I feel that Magic Guard will always be the better ability no matter what crazy moves No Guard gets, because appalling defenses and a 4x SR weakness will always hinder No Guards success.
After a bit of thought and persuasion from Dece1t, I'm going to address the moveset a tad.
Inferno is Acceptable
Zap Cannon is Not Acceptable
Inferno, though obviously an extremely strong move option, for one has never seen real usage before, simply because of the lack of Pokemon that have it let alone get away with actually using it. It would be interesting to see its uses and how it can work out in actual play. Plus, you're giving your Pokemon an immense weakness to hazards and its natural SpA stat is quite low at only 100, meaning its a risk that you need to be willing to take.
Zap Cannon however really breaks the Pokemon completely. Even if 'Polarized' did not have access to Inferno, Zap Cannon would technically be a better option overall as it completely eliminates any threat from Flying and completely destroys Water, which is one of the types that should be able to easily counter this Pokemon. It simply gives the Pokemon too many, overtly powerful coverage options, and therefore, is broken.
After a bit of thought and persuasion from Dece1t, I'm going to address the moveset a tad.
Inferno is Acceptable
Zap Cannon is Not Acceptable
Inferno, though obviously an extremely strong move option, for one has never seen real usage before, simply because of the lack of Pokemon that have it let alone get away with actually using it. It would be interesting to see its uses and how it can work out in actual play. Plus, you're giving your Pokemon an immense weakness to hazards and its natural SpA stat is quite low at only 100, meaning its a risk that you need to be willing to take.
Zap Cannon however really breaks the Pokemon completely. Even if 'Polarized' did not have access to Inferno, Zap Cannon would technically be a better option overall as it completely eliminates any threat from Flying and completely destroys Water, which is one of the types that should be able to easily counter this Pokemon. It simply gives the Pokemon too many, overtly powerful coverage options, and therefore, is broken.
Ok. Now I need to know if these moves are allowed:
- Psychic / Fairy moves to deal with fighting types
- Electric / Grass moves to deal with water types
- Water / Grass moves to deal with ground types
- Water / Grass moves to deal with rock types
Ok. Now I need to know if these moves are allowed:
- Psychic / Fairy moves to deal with fighting types
- Electric / Grass moves to deal with water types
- Water / Grass moves to deal with ground types
- Water / Grass moves to deal with rock types
I stuck that on my set. I makes sense, as it is an Ice type move, gets STAB, and helps the CAP deal with Water types. Down to Llama really but thought I might as well put my opinion on.
Week 4: Voting Structure mostly taken from CAP Project
Now we have come to the voting phase for Movesets. Make sure to read through each post thoroughly. Bold your votes and nothing else! A typical vote might look like the following:
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Please post only your votes in this thread. Do not respond to other posts. You are allowed to say whatever you like in relation to your vote at the bottom of your post, but please do not look to begin a discussion. Asking for votes for your submission or for the submissions of others is not allowed.
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Dece1t
david0895
acestriker19
Yoshiblaze
Kilgrave
This poll will be open until November 10th. The concept submissions are quoted below in order of submission.
Snore
Shock Wave
Low Kick
Knock Off
Super Fang
Uproar
Iron Tail
Drill Run
Dragon Pulse
Heat Wave
Hyper Voice
Outrage
Superpower
Magic Coat
Icy Wind
Polarized Sample Set:
Name: Standard Life Orb Physical Attacker
Move 1: Flare Blitz
Move 2: Icicle Crash / Icicle Spear
Move 3: Close Combat / Iron Tail
Move 4: Volt Switch
Ability: Magic Guard
Item: Life Orb
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Nature: Jolly
Flare Blitz does lots of damage, with no penalties thanks to Magic Guard!
Icicle Crash is the Ice STAB used, however Icicle Spear is just as viable with nice perk of hitting multiple times.
Close Combat is preferred for coverage against Heatran, which would otherwise wall it entirely. Iron Tail is also plausible due to the fact that it can check Mega Diancie.
Volt Switch allows it to double as an amazing Offensive Pivot, with the ability to retain momentum upon switchout, also covering Water-Type Pokemon.
Magic Guard is used to evade LO and Flare Blitz Recoil entirely, as well as damage from Stealth Rock upon switchin.
Life Orb is the item due to ability to be non choice locked, while giving a fair power boost with no recoil penalty thanks to Magic Guard.
Side Note: I was told by iLlama that after this week will be name and then we're done. Would we also be allowed to post Pokedex entries? (i.e. Description, Ht., Wt. ect)
Edits since replies:
1. Forgot to include ice shard, that was added.
2. I feel Inferno is not broken. Why? If you run No Guard you now have a 4x SR weakness, which in order for it to be reliable you need good means of hazard control, not to mention save it well. This concept is very risk-reward basis, and No Guard definitely embodies that. Inferno is perfectly fine, knowing that. Not to mention a base 100 SpA Stat is pretty mediocre.
3. Volt switch should be kept over Baton Pass. This allows it to get out of risky situations against bulky Water mons while still dealing a reasonable amount of damage. This is one I'd more so forgo if the majority says no Volt Switch, but, that is where I personally stand.
4. Zap Cannon is a bad idea. Not only to me does it not make much since, especially on the design seeing there is no way to "shoot" it, but that combined with Blizzard creates a dangerous Bolt-Beam combo that can hit just about everything, with a paralysis side effect. At least the combination of Inferno and Blizzard is a bit easier to wall.
4. Close Combat should also stay. Hammer Arm, despite it being an option is in hindsight unreliable, due to the fact that it has incredibly low bulk, which a speed drop will not do it any favors.
5. Spike Shield should also stay. Looking at its design it is actually covered in these glowing red ice spikes throughout its body. Not only is it really creative from a design standpoint, but competitively this could be really cool. This allows stuff such as focus sash sets make it an effective scout, being able to dish a small amount of damage on contact (great for things such as other sash wielders, Dragonite, ect), which I think would be a cool concept, and effectively take on a different type of role.
6. Don't remove Iron tail! Without that it's kinda hopeless against rock, primarily Mega diancie, which both Ice and fire have difficulty checking as it is.
7. Added Freeze Dry and Wild Charge
Don't forget, in its concept as well its supposed to run a butt load of coverage, especially with things that Fire or ice types normally can't provide.
Fire Blast and Ice Beam are the main STABs, Blizzard can be used with No Guard, Inferno can be used if you want to guarantee the burn at the little cost of less power
Frost Breath could be useful against Calm Mind user
U-Turn is perfect to gain momentum
Life Orb raise the power of the moves, Focus Sash can guarantee a revenge kill
Magic Guard removes the recoil from Life Orb and negate the Stealth Rock damage, No Guard guarantee perfect Fire Blast, Inferno and Blizzard
Flare Blitz and Icicle Crash are the main physical STABs, Ice Shard is a good priority
Ice Beam is the Ice special STAB, Blizzard can be used with No Guard
U-Turn is perfect to gain momentum, Fire can be used if you need of a Fire special STAB, Inferno can be used if you want to guarantee the burn at the little cost of less power
Life Orb raise the power of the moves, Focus Sash can guarantee a revenge kill
Magic Guard removes the recoil from Life Orb and Flare Blitz and negate the Stealth Rock damage, No Guard guarantee perfect Fire Blast, Inferno and Blizzard
Hasty nature is to save the 70/80 special bulk
About coverage, I think we shouldn't add moves that can do serious damage to types that threat it (Fighting, Water, Ground and Rock)
Name: No Guard Zap Cannon
Move 1: Zap Cannon
Move 2: Fire Blast
Move 3: Blizzard
Move 4: Focus Blast / Substitute / Baton Pass
Ability: No Guard
Item: Life Orb / Choice Specs
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spd
Nature: Timid
Zap Cannon allows Polarized to KO common water type switch-ins to the Magic Guard set such as Azumarill, Gyarados, Keldeo. It also prevents Cripples other likely switch-ins like T-tar
Fire Blast is a powerful STAB that can be used without fear of missing thanks to No Guard
Blizzard is also a strong STAB that is helped by No Guard and forms a Bolt Beam Combo with Zap Cannon
Focus Blast allows Polarized to break Heatran on a predicted switch-in
Substitute combined with Zap Cannon allows Polarized an out against its stronger switch-ins by subbing on a paralyzed switch-in.
Baton Pass allows Specs Polarized to secure offensive momentum against predicted counters.
Life Orb gives Polarized Access to its phenomenal coverage at the cost of some hp while Specs boosts Zap Cannons power allowing it to make better use of its mediocre 100 Atk stat without sacrificing defense.
Name: No Guard Berry Blast
Move 1: Zap Cannon
Move 2: Fire Blast
Move 3: Blizzard
Move 4: Substitute
Ability: No Guard
Item: Salac Berry / Petaya Berry
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spd
Nature: Timid
Zap Cannon allows Polarized to KO common water type switch-ins to the Magic Guard set such as Azumarill and Gyarados.
Fire Blast is a powerful STAB that can be used without fear of missing thanks to No Guard
Blizzard is also a strong STAB that is helped by No Guard and forms a Bolt Beam Combo with Zap Cannon
Substitute allows Polarized to get low enough to use its berry it is good to keep Sub up so that Polarized can beat at least 1 opposing priority user.
Salac Berry is the means in which Polarized can boosts its speed by coming in on SR and the Subbing on a pokemon that it threatens out.
Using Salac allows it to outspeed the majority of Scarfers in the Tier making it a decent cleaner.
Using Petaya allows it to boosts in Sp. Attack allowing a No Guard set to wallbreak without resorting to Specs
Unlike other sets this set doesn't mind Stealth Rock since it wants to 1/4 quickly in order to use its boosting berry.
STAB Flare Blitz for high damage output with it's better physical attack and if CAP 21 (Mega Crucibelle) has taught me anything, Magic Guard actually negates recoil, so...
Ice Shard gives priority, being able to at least hit faster mons like Tornadus
Spark can be used to hit Water-types, but won't do too much to anything else, so I don't see this being too good. If this is too weak, Thunder Punch could also be used
Hidden Power Grass can beat used over Ice Shard or Spark to hit Water, Ground, or Rock-types
Life Orb gives a free damage boost, thanks to Magic Guard
U-Turn for momentum purposes and to switch out freely. As Polarized is fast, it will probably pull this off first.
Wild Charge hits water-types.
Magic Guard negates Life Orb recoil and recoil from moves.
Set focuses on hitting as fast and hard as possible on the physical side.
Name: Special Magic Guard
Move 1: Flamethrower / Fire Blast
Move 2: Freeze-Dry / Ice Beam / Blizzard
Move 3: Earth Power
Move 4: Focus Blast / Volt Switch
Ability: Magic Guard
Item: Life Orb
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Nature: Timid
I don't like running mixed sets, so here's a special set.
Flamethrower is for fire STAB, Fire Blast is stronger but with less accuracy.
Same goes for Ice Beam / Blizzard.
Freeze-Dry hits Water types super effectively and works as good Ice STAB.
Earth Power stops Polarized from being completely walled by Heatran.
Focus Blast can be an extra move, or Volt Switch can be run for the same reasons U-Turn is on a physical set.
Magic Guard negates Life Orb recoil.
Unlike the last set, this focuses on the special side of Polarized, which is viable because this CAP seems to have a better special movepool than physical.
Name: No Guard
Move 1: Inferno
Move 2: Blizzard
Move 3: Volt Switch / Thunder
Move 4: Focus Blast
Ability: No Guard
Item: Focus Sash / Choice Scarf
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Nature: Timid
I had a think about Inferno. I think that Inferno would be a great move if it wasn't for its awful accuracy, and I'd love to see a Pokemon take advantage of it. So, I've put Inferno. Free burns!
Blizzard because it's 100% accurate now so why would you not use it.
Zap Cannon. It's Inferno, but with Paralysis. RIP everything.
Focus Blast. It will no longer screw you over with its be accuracy.
Focus Sash is for living hits because its bill is terrible.
Choice Scarf to outspeed pretty much every other scarfer.
Okay, this set may look broken, but it allows Polarized to adapt to any situation.
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Fire Blast and Ice Beam are the main STABs, Blizzard can be used with No Guard, Inferno can be used if you want to guarantee the burn at the little cost of less power
Frost Breath could be useful against Calm Mind user
U-Turn is perfect to gain momentum
Life Orb raise the power of the moves, Focus Sash can guarantee a revenge kill
Magic Guard removes the recoil from Life Orb and negate the Stealth Rock damage, No Guard guarantee perfect Fire Blast, Inferno and Blizzard
Flare Blitz and Icicle Crash are the main physical STABs, Ice Shard is a good priority
Ice Beam is the Ice special STAB, Blizzard can be used with No Guard
U-Turn is perfect to gain momentum, Fire can be used if you need of a Fire special STAB, Inferno can be used if you want to guarantee the burn at the little cost of less power
Life Orb raise the power of the moves, Focus Sash can guarantee a revenge kill
Magic Guard removes the recoil from Life Orb and Flare Blitz and negate the Stealth Rock damage, No Guard guarantee perfect Fire Blast, Inferno and Blizzard
Hasty nature is to save the 70/80 special bulk
About coverage, I think we shouldn't add moves that can do serious damage to types that threat it (Fighting, Water, Ground and Rock)
Week 5: Voting Structure mostly taken from CAP Project
Now we have come to the voting phase for the name of 'Polarized.' A typical vote might look like the following:
Who you are voting for
Any comments that the voter has would go below the votes in non-bold text. Bold text is used to determine what the user's votes are, so none of the supplementary text should be in bold.
Please post only your votes in this thread. Do not respond to other posts. You are allowed to say whatever you like in relation to your vote at the bottom of your post, but please do not look to begin a discussion. Asking for votes for your submission or for the submissions of others is not allowed.
IMPORTANT: When voting, use only the name of the author! The list of possible votes include:
Yoshiblaze
Slawth13
G-Luke
This poll will be open until November 18th, right in time for Sun and Moon.
