Moody

[Enlong]

While you're foresighting, the opponent can attack, gather more boosts, sub, anything really. It's sort of useless if you foresight a sub and you're killed two turns later. They can Protect your foresight, sub the next one, protect, start attacking, whatever. If you actually try to apply these things in real battle, instead of sitting around and hypothesizing, you'll find it's really not practical, except in certain situations, if you're lucky.

You don't need to keep arguing Foresight with me. Not in this thread, anyway. The tangent I was on was about Evasion alone, and does not apply to a discussion about Inconsistent, which is what this thread is for. I've backed away from it in this thread, and it would be pertinent of you to do the same.

...also, Foresight works through Substitute.

 

[Kindrindra]

One thing's been confusing me about this ability- Doesn't a stat also sharply drop in addition to the stat that sharply rises? Or was that a mistake?

 

[j99ubers]

A stat will sharply increase(+2) and another stat will decrease(-1).

 

[Jayceja]

Ah, I just thought of something. How might Trace fare against these guys?

trace works well, but isnt really a solid counter as it just causes you to rely on luck as much as they do, they can still stall you and if they hit a toxic you get screwed, my porygon2 with magic coat works sometimes, but i need to predict toxic right and get lucky with boosts to outspeed to hit behind his sub

if you swap in before he subs though, then you can hit him on the sub, to break it and magic coat toxic to poison him, screwing him over, but you still need to be lucky not to be unable to break the sub due to defense boosts, as well as predicting the toxic perfectly

if he has a sub up, he can toxic every turn, as you cant break the sub without taking a toxic hit

 

[Kindrindra]

A stat will sharply increase(+2) and another stat will decrease(-1).

Ah, I see. That's why it's causing such a stir- I had thought it was +2 to a stat and -2 to another stat. Being only -1 to another stat means you have a net gain.


The ability seems similar to Speed Boost in usage. However, +2 to one stat and -1 to another stat is argueably better than +1 to a single stat with no downside. If you get a bad roll (say, it lowers your accuracy), you can just stall until it increases again. Looking at the list of the learners, Octillery stands out to me- great mixed offensive stats and good defensive stats, with his only serious low point being his speed- a spread that seems ideal for the kind of random boosting Inconsistent provides.

 

[Rhiehn]

Battle

Battle between Lio and Rhiehn started!

Tier: Dream World
Variation: +13, -18
Rule: Rated
Rule: Sleep Clause
Rule: Species Clause

Rhiehn sent out Smeargle!
Lio sent out Forretress!

Start of turn 1
Smeargle used Spore!
The foe's Forretress fell asleep!

The foe's Forretress is fast asleep!

Smeargle's Inconsistent sharply raises its Defense!
Smeargle's Inconsistent lowers its Attack!

Start of turn 2
Smeargle used Substitute!
Smeargle made a substitute!

The foe's Forretress woke up!
The foe's Forretress used Gyro Ball!
Smeargle's substitute faded!

Smeargle's Inconsistent sharply raises its Evasion!
Smeargle's Inconsistent lowers its Sp. Def.!

Start of turn 3
Smeargle used Spore!
The foe's Forretress fell asleep!

The foe's Forretress is fast asleep!

Smeargle's Inconsistent sharply raises its Accuracy!
Smeargle's Inconsistent lowers its Evasion!

Start of turn 4
Smeargle used Substitute!
Smeargle made a substitute!

The foe's Forretress is fast asleep!

Smeargle's Inconsistent sharply raises its Defense!
Smeargle's Inconsistent lowers its Evasion!

Start of turn 5
Smeargle used Protect!
Smeargle protected itself!

The foe's Forretress is fast asleep!

Smeargle's Inconsistent sharply raises its Attack!
Smeargle's Inconsistent lowers its Sp. Att.!

Start of turn 6
Smeargle used Spore!
The foe's Forretress is already asleep.

The foe's Forretress woke up!
The foe's Forretress used Gyro Ball!
Smeargle's substitute took the damage!

Smeargle's Inconsistent sharply raises its Sp. Def.!
Smeargle's Inconsistent lowers its Accuracy!

Start of turn 7
Smeargle used Spore!
The foe's Forretress fell asleep!

The foe's Forretress is fast asleep!

Smeargle's Inconsistent sharply raises its Defense!
Smeargle's Inconsistent lowers its Attack!

Start of turn 8
Smeargle used Protect!
Smeargle protected itself!

The foe's Forretress is fast asleep!

Smeargle's Inconsistent sharply raises its Attack!
Smeargle's Inconsistent lowers its Defense!

Start of turn 9
Smeargle used Protect!
Smeargle protected itself!

The foe's Forretress woke up!
The foe's Forretress used Gyro Ball!
Smeargle protected itself!

Smeargle's Inconsistent sharply raises its Evasion!
Smeargle's Inconsistent lowers its Speed!

Start of turn 10
Smeargle used Spore!
The foe's Forretress fell asleep!

The foe's Forretress is fast asleep!

Smeargle's Inconsistent sharply raises its Accuracy!
Smeargle's Inconsistent lowers its Speed!

Start of turn 11
Smeargle used Protect!
Smeargle protected itself!

The foe's Forretress is fast asleep!

Smeargle's Inconsistent sharply raises its Speed!
Smeargle's Inconsistent lowers its Sp. Def.!

Start of turn 12
Smeargle used Protect!
But it failed!

The foe's Forretress woke up!
The foe's Forretress used Gyro Ball!
Smeargle's substitute faded!

Smeargle's Inconsistent sharply raises its Sp. Att.!
Smeargle's Inconsistent lowers its Evasion!

Start of turn 13
Smeargle used Spore!
The foe's Forretress fell asleep!

The foe's Forretress is fast asleep!

Smeargle's Inconsistent sharply raises its Defense!
Smeargle's Inconsistent lowers its Accuracy!

Start of turn 14
Smeargle used Substitute!
Smeargle made a substitute!

The foe's Forretress is fast asleep!

Smeargle's Inconsistent sharply raises its Attack!
Smeargle's Inconsistent lowers its Accuracy!

Start of turn 15
Smeargle used Protect!
Smeargle protected itself!

The foe's Forretress woke up!
The foe's Forretress used Gyro Ball!
Smeargle protected itself!

Smeargle's Inconsistent sharply raises its Sp. Att.!
Smeargle's Inconsistent lowers its Speed!

Start of turn 16
Smeargle used Spore!
The foe's Forretress fell asleep!

The foe's Forretress is fast asleep!

Smeargle's Inconsistent sharply raises its Attack!
Smeargle's Inconsistent lowers its Accuracy!

Start of turn 17
Smeargle used Protect!
Smeargle protected itself!

The foe's Forretress woke up!
The foe's Forretress used Gyro Ball!
Smeargle protected itself!

Smeargle's Inconsistent sharply raises its Evasion!
Smeargle's Inconsistent lowers its Speed!

Start of turn 18
Smeargle used Spore!
The foe's Forretress fell asleep!

The foe's Forretress is fast asleep!

Smeargle's Inconsistent sharply raises its Evasion!
Smeargle's Inconsistent lowers its Defense!

Start of turn 19
Smeargle used Protect!
Smeargle protected itself!

The foe's Forretress woke up!
The foe's Forretress used Gyro Ball!
The attack of the foe's Forretress missed!

Smeargle's Inconsistent sharply raises its Accuracy!
Smeargle's Inconsistent lowers its Speed!

Start of turn 20
Smeargle used Protect!
Smeargle protected itself!

The foe's Forretress used Gyro Ball!
The attack of the foe's Forretress missed!

Smeargle's Inconsistent sharply raises its Accuracy!
Smeargle's Inconsistent lowers its Speed!

Start of turn 21
The foe's Forretress used Explosion!
The foe's Forretress fainted!
Smeargle's substitute faded!

Smeargle used Spore!
But there was no target...

Smeargle's Inconsistent sharply raises its Sp. Def.!
Smeargle's Inconsistent lowers its Sp. Att.!
Lio sent out Arcanine!

Start of turn 22
The foe's Arcanine used Flare Blitz!
The attack of the foe's Arcanine missed!

Smeargle used Spore!
The foe's Arcanine fell asleep!

Smeargle's Inconsistent sharply raises its Defense!
Smeargle's Inconsistent lowers its Accuracy!

Start of turn 23
The foe's Arcanine is fast asleep!

Smeargle used Substitute!
Smeargle made a substitute!

Smeargle's Inconsistent sharply raises its Sp. Att.!
Smeargle's Inconsistent lowers its Sp. Def.!

Start of turn 24
Smeargle used Protect!
Smeargle protected itself!

The foe's Arcanine woke up!
The foe's Arcanine used Flare Blitz!
Smeargle protected itself!

Smeargle's Inconsistent sharply raises its Sp. Att.!
Smeargle's Inconsistent lowers its Speed!

Start of turn 25
The foe's Arcanine used Flare Blitz!
The attack of the foe's Arcanine missed!

Smeargle used Spore!
The foe's Arcanine fell asleep!

Smeargle's Inconsistent sharply raises its Speed!
Smeargle's Inconsistent lowers its Accuracy!

Start of turn 26
Smeargle used Protect!
Smeargle protected itself!

The foe's Arcanine is fast asleep!

Smeargle's Inconsistent sharply raises its Speed!
Smeargle's Inconsistent lowers its Accuracy!

Start of turn 27
The foe's Arcanine is fast asleep!

Smeargle used Spore!
The foe's Arcanine is already asleep.

Smeargle's Inconsistent sharply raises its Sp. Def.!
Smeargle's Inconsistent lowers its Defense!

Start of turn 28
The foe's Arcanine is fast asleep!

Smeargle used Spore!
The foe's Arcanine is already asleep.

Smeargle's Inconsistent sharply raises its Sp. Def.!
Smeargle's Inconsistent lowers its Defense!

Start of turn 29
Smeargle used Protect!
Smeargle protected itself!

The foe's Arcanine woke up!
The foe's Arcanine used Flare Blitz!
Smeargle protected itself!

Smeargle's Inconsistent sharply raises its Sp. Def.!
Smeargle's Inconsistent lowers its Accuracy!

Start of turn 30
The foe's Arcanine used Flare Blitz!
The attack of the foe's Arcanine missed!

Smeargle used Spore!
The foe's Arcanine fell asleep!

Smeargle's Inconsistent sharply raises its Speed!
Smeargle's Inconsistent lowers its Defense!

Start of turn 31
Smeargle used Baton Pass!
Rhiehn called Smeargle back!
Rhiehn sent out Garchomp!

The foe's Arcanine is fast asleep!

Start of turn 32
The foe's Arcanine is fast asleep!

Garchomp used Dragon Claw!
The foe's Arcanine lost 100% of its health!
The foe's Arcanine fainted!

Lio sent out Metagross!

Start of turn 33
Garchomp used Earthquake!
It's super effective!
The foe's Metagross lost 100% of its health!
The foe's Metagross fainted!

Lio sent out Smeargle!

Start of turn 34
The foe's Smeargle used Ice Shard!
The attack of the foe's Smeargle missed!

Garchomp used Dragon Claw!
The foe's Smeargle lost 99% of its health!
The foe's Smeargle hung on using its focus sash!

The foe's Smeargle's Inconsistent sharply raises its Defense!
The foe's Smeargle's Inconsistent lowers its Sp. Def.!

Start of turn 35
The foe's Smeargle used Ice Shard!
The attack of the foe's Smeargle missed!

Garchomp used Dragon Claw!
The foe's Smeargle lost 0% of its health!
The foe's Smeargle fainted!

Lio sent out Roobushin!

Start of turn 36
The foe's Roobushin used Mach Punch!
The attack of the foe's Roobushin missed!

Garchomp used Earthquake!
A critical hit!
The foe's Roobushin lost 100% of its health!
The foe's Roobushin fainted!

Lio sent out Suicune!
Garchomp used Dragon claw!
The foe's Suicune lost 100% of its health!
The foe's Suicune fainted!

I'd call that pretty broken personally.

 

[Enlong]

Question: Why did you leave Forretress in? You saw that he was throwing out Spore and Substitute. What gave you the idea that leaving something as slow as Forretress in was anything like a good idea?

 

[j99ubers]

Yeh even though I personally despise Inconsistent and think it should be banned from all ladders that log was a terrible example of it, since your opponent gave you an unbelievable amount of time to set up with Smeargle.

 

[Encube]

Question: Why did you leave Forretress in? You saw that he was throwing out Spore and Substitute. What gave you the idea that leaving something as slow as Forretress in was anything like a good idea?

He was the one with Smeargle.

 

[Athenodoros]

Yes, you need to deal with Inconsistant early, before the boosts rack up, and he didn't in that battle, so he lost. He needed to switch to a PHazer, a Taunter or a never-miss attacker earlier, and he could well have beaten the Smeargle. And that is the problem with Inconsistant: there are so many ways that common users can be beaten.

 

[j99ubers]

Although his opponent played badly I'm not really sure what your plan is to beat Smeargle with taunting and Phazing since he'll either carry Magic Coat or have a Magic Mirror user to Baton Pass to. And never-miss attacks are near useless apart from a few poorly distributed moves. His opponent played badly but any switch-in would have been slept and quickly set up on. I'm not sure that you understand once an Inconsistent pokemon gets a sub up it becomes almost impossible to stop, especially one like Smeargle with access to every move in the game, the best of which is the ability to baton pass these boosts.

 

[Enlong]

"any switch-in would have been slept"?

Isn't it against the rules to sleep more than one thing?

He was the one with Smeargle.

In that case, I wish I could ask the same question of his opponent. But he isn't here.

 

[Athenodoros]

Yes it is, and considering the Smeargle that I was talking about did not have Magic Anything (count the moveslots) it could not have deal with either.

EDIT: That's true. I haven't seen many Espeons around but it definitely could. Maybe Mischevious Heart Taunt?

 

[j99ubers]

@Athenodoros Well he could have had Espeon to Baton Pass those boosts to and reflect phases.

@Enlong No, I mean if he'd switched forry out turn 1 the switch-in would have been slept and if he switched it out turn 2 Smeargle gets a sub up and 2 turns of boosts as well. Beating a Smeargle with a sub up is very difficult to do, virtually impossible if you're not carrying haze.

 

[TorchicBlaziken]

yay glalie is somewhat useful now

 

[Rhiehn]

I have a pretty reasonable win rate with that team, which consists of only Smeargle and Garchomp, and I have a match against a less stupid opponent too.

Inconsistant rape

Battle between Rhiehn and Viscus started!

Tier: Dream World
Variation: +11, -20
Rule: Rated
Rule: Sleep Clause
Rule: Species Clause

Viscus sent out Wormy! (Shuckle)
Rhiehn sent out Smeargle!

Start of turn 1
Smeargle used Spore!
The foe's Wormy fell asleep!

The foe's Wormy is fast asleep!

Smeargle's Inconsistent sharply raises its Evasion!
Smeargle's Inconsistent lowers its Attack!

Start of turn 2
Viscus called Wormy back!
Viscus sent out Explotaro! (Typhlosion)

Smeargle used Substitute!
Smeargle made a substitute!

Smeargle's Inconsistent sharply raises its Attack!
Smeargle's Inconsistent lowers its Evasion!

Start of turn 3
Smeargle used Protect!
Smeargle protected itself!

The foe's Explotaro used Eruption!
Smeargle protected itself!

Smeargle's Inconsistent sharply raises its Attack!
Smeargle's Inconsistent lowers its Sp. Att.!

Start of turn 4
The foe's Explotaro used Eruption!
Smeargle's substitute faded!

Smeargle used Substitute!
Smeargle made a substitute!

Smeargle's Inconsistent sharply raises its Evasion!
Smeargle's Inconsistent lowers its Defense!

Start of turn 5
Smeargle used Protect!
Smeargle protected itself!

The foe's Explotaro used Eruption!
Smeargle avoided the attack!

Smeargle's Inconsistent sharply raises its Accuracy!
Smeargle's Inconsistent lowers its Speed!

Start of turn 6
The foe's Explotaro used Eruption!
Smeargle's substitute faded!

Smeargle used Substitute!
Smeargle made a substitute!

Smeargle's Inconsistent sharply raises its Defense!
Smeargle's Inconsistent lowers its Evasion!

Start of turn 7
Viscus called Explotaro back!
Viscus sent out Manectric!

Smeargle used Protect!
But it failed!

Smeargle's Inconsistent sharply raises its Attack!
Smeargle's Inconsistent lowers its Defense!

Start of turn 8
The foe's Manectric used Thunderbolt!
Smeargle's substitute faded!

Smeargle used Substitute!
Smeargle made a substitute!

Smeargle's Inconsistent sharply raises its Evasion!
Smeargle's Inconsistent lowers its Accuracy!

Start of turn 9
The foe's Manectric used Substitute!
The foe's Manectric made a substitute!

Smeargle used Baton Pass!
Rhiehn called Smeargle back!
Rhiehn sent out Garchomp!

Start of turn 10
The foe's Manectric used Hidden Power!
The attack of the foe's Manectric missed!

Garchomp used Earthquake!
It's super effective!
The foe's Manectric's substitute faded!

Start of turn 11
The foe's Manectric used Hidden Power!
The attack of the foe's Manectric missed!

Garchomp used Earthquake!
It's super effective!
The foe's Manectric lost 75% of its health!
The foe's Manectric fainted!

Viscus: Missed
Viscus: Twice
Viscus sent out Yin! (Vaporeon)

Rhiehn: sorry, I'm just trying to get more people to complain about inconsistant

Start of turn 12
Garchomp used Dragon Claw!
The foe's Yin lost 100% of its health!
The foe's Yin fainted!

Viscus: Wait what
Viscus: Ahaha oh wow]
Viscus sent out Haha! (Hahakomori)

Start of turn 13
The foe's Haha used Leaf Blade!
Garchomp's substitute faded!

Garchomp used Fire Fang!
It's super effective!
The foe's Haha lost 99% of its health!
The foe's Haha hung on using its focus sash!

Start of turn 14
The foe's Haha used Leaf Blade!
The attack of the foe's Haha missed!

Garchomp used Fire Fang!
It's super effective!
The foe's Haha lost 0% of its health!
The foe's Haha fainted!

Viscus sent out Deimos! (Dunsparce)

Start of turn 15
Garchomp used Dragon Claw!
The foe's Deimos lost 100% of its health!
The foe's Deimos fainted!

Viscus: So
Viscus: The tiers not being balanced out yet is annoying'
Viscus sent out Explotaro! (Typhlosion)

Start of turn 16
The foe's Explotaro used Eruption!
Garchomp avoided the attack!

Garchomp used Earthquake!
It's super effective!
The foe's Explotaro lost 100% of its health!
The foe's Explotaro fainted!

Rhiehn: my point exactly
Viscus sent out Wormy! (Shuckle)

Start of turn 17
Garchomp used Dragon Claw!
The foe's Wormy lost 76% of its health!

The foe's Wormy is fast asleep!

The foe's Wormy restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 18
Garchomp used Dragon Claw!
The foe's Wormy lost 29% of its health!
The foe's Wormy fainted!

Rhiehn won the battle!

 

[Wafflez]

Although his opponent played badly I'm not really sure what your plan is to beat Smeargle with taunting and Phazing since he'll either carry Magic Coat or have a Magic Mirror user to Baton Pass to. And never-miss attacks are near useless apart from a few poorly distributed moves. His opponent played badly but any switch-in would have been slept and quickly set up on. I'm not sure that you understand once an Inconsistent pokemon gets a sub up it becomes almost impossible to stop, especially one like Smeargle with access to every move in the game, the best of which is the ability to baton pass these boosts.

Then your forced to forgo Spore which is generally a really really bad idea.
But i still agree inconsistence is just retarted.

 

[Manbaby]

Clear smog is very nice, never misses and the stat clearing works even when they have a sub

 

[Khan!!!]

lifting the evasion clause wouldn't make this as "broken".

then again, there are plenty of counters to inconsistent even with evasion clause.

 

[LightningLord2]

I don't think this'll make Smogon ban Inconsistent - I'd rather think that Smeargle will be uber. Also, how about the idea to beat Inconsistent with Unaware, which makes the stalling for boosts completely meaningless?

 

[alphatron]

Unaware is a completely viable ability on relatively useful pokemon. Don't bother mentioning bidoof. Clefable and Quagsire work very well. In the first log by the way, the opponent had Ice shard on smeargle, a pokemon with base 20 attack power...

 

[Arc Tech]

Unaware pokemon get killed by toxic stalling. And then the boosts octillery has gained come into effect.

 

[alphatron]

Clefable could always use aromatherapy, but I see what you mean.

 

[LightningLord2]

>Implying Clefable can't toxic stall itself

But anyways, it will be more likely that the inconsistent Pokemon will become Uber rather than that the ability will be banned.

 

[j99ubers]

No, please don't suggest these pokemon will become uber, theres an evasion clause on ubers ladders as well and this thing does the same thing in that tier except it might require slightly more defensive boosts. If this thing is banned it should without doubt be banned from every ladder and not just OU>