That's something that Smogon consistently tries to avoid every time. I'm not very sure about Inconsistent's destiny now that it has gotten popular in the last seventy two hours.
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That's something that Smogon consistently tries to avoid every time. I'm not very sure about Inconsistent's destiny now that it has gotten popular in the last seventy two hours.
I've got to agree. I've been on this forum for years, and ever since we started proper testing, this arguement has been used time and time again. It's just so stupid.
"Oh no, my opponent used Stealth Rock! My Pokemon will get slightly damaged every time they switch in!"
"Oh no, my opponent has Inconsistent! Now unless I'm using highly specialized counters, I have a chance to lose the battle regardless of what I do"
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Seriously, give me one reason why Inconsistent shouldn't be banned in a meta which Evasion and OHKO moves are.
Yes and despite it only being one move it means that you have to run something with access to it. If you use it on gengar or kingdra, the only really common pokemon that have access to it, it means that they only have three moveslots left to sweep with. If you need to run another pokemon that has access to it then that means not only are you wasting a moveslot but also a teamslot. And seriously if, by your last comment, your going to try to argue that evasion shouldn't be banned then please just don't bother as it turns the game into a complete luckfest and no serious competitive battler should be in favour of that.
Still, it still is ~4% of a team's moveset. Which could have been used on something more useful. And what learns Clear Smog anyways, that new mushroom? And what else does it do than counter Inconsistent-users? If there would be something like Ice Beam, but with CS's effects, it would be of use outside countering this. But just spending one of your six Pokémon on countering one out of 600 other Pokémon is not worth it IMO.
It is one move that only a few Pokemon can get. Weezing and Morobareru are the only viable users: Gengar, Kingdra and Shandera have better things to do. Sounds pretty specialized to me.
I also disagree with the Evasion ban but PR chose to ban Evasion/OHKOs and banning them but not this would be unfair.
Gengar. Shanderaa (not so great against Octillery/Bibarrel, but great against Glalie). Kingdra.
Hell, Gengar could use a new move in the slot where he used to run Explosion (since Explosion got nerfed). I'm sure he'd love a move that wrecks users of Swords Dance and the like. Oh, and Inconsistent users. I guess. He's faster than all the Inconsistent users, too.
Hell, give him Thunderbolt, and he can hit Octillery for Super Effective damage to break those Substitutes. He can already wreck Glalie with Focus Blast.
"Highly specialized"? Yeah, because we don't give Pokemon a power 20 normal-type move that would otherwize be almost useless to remove Stealth Ro--oh wait...
And then the Stealth Rock teams just bring out Ghosts.
Gengar isn't very durable, and can be worn down by other pokes, or by octillery himself, and pursuited.
And zapdos failed to ko my lower than 25% hp octillery with tbolt...so...yeah...
and since when do frailer, sweeper-type pokes run hazing moves? they're taking way too much damage from unboosted moves to bother.
The difference between this and rapid spin/sr is that, if your opponent sets up sr (easy 1 turn), do you lose the game? Nope.
If your opponent sets up an inconsistent abuser (while not as easy as sr, still pretty easy), do you lose the game? Yep
And zapdos failed to ko my lower than 25% hp octillery with tbolt...so...yeah...
and since when do frailer, sweeper-type pokes run hazing moves? they're taking way too much damage from unboosted moves to bother.
The difference between this and rapid spin/sr is that, if your opponent sets up sr (easy 1 turn), do you lose the game? Nope.
If your opponent sets up an inconsistent abuser (while not as easy as sr, still pretty easy), do you lose the game? Yep
I got swept from THE VERY FIRST TURN by a fucking Smeargle. He got a Speed boost on the first Protect, Spored me, then Subbed. I switched in Roopushin the moment that happened, then Drain Punch missed five fucking times in a row. Then he passed to a Garchomp or some shit. Ragequit.
Wait, is it just me, or are there more ways to deal with Inconsistent than there are for Stealth Rock?
Stealth Rock: The only way to get rid other than Magic Coat is Rapid Spin, which can easily be blocked by a Ghost-type. Magic Coat doesn't affect Dark-typed either.
Inconsistent: Mold Breaker, Haze, Clear Smog, etc. And think about how many Pokemon get Haze. Mold Breaker isn't something to scoff at either-- Ononokusu gets it, after all. (unless of course people think ononokusu sucks now)
Sorry if this is a pointless post, I haven't played Gen 5 at all.
Stealth Rock: The only way to get rid other than Magic Coat is Rapid Spin, which can easily be blocked by a Ghost-type. Magic Coat doesn't affect Dark-typed either.
Inconsistent: Mold Breaker, Haze, Clear Smog, etc. And think about how many Pokemon get Haze. Mold Breaker isn't something to scoff at either-- Ononokusu gets it, after all. (unless of course people think ononokusu sucks now)
Sorry if this is a pointless post, I haven't played Gen 5 at all.
Because Gengar's Special Attack is lower than Zapd-OH WAIT.
Anyway, yeah, Morobearu is probably a better user of Clear Smog.
He's also better at surviving, anyway, with general use moves like Giga Drain, Toxic, etc.
Alternatively, something with Skill Swap can rob them of Inconsistent, regardless of evasion, and through Substitutes.
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Anyway, yeah, Morobearu is probably a better user of Clear Smog.
He's also better at surviving, anyway, with general use moves like Giga Drain, Toxic, etc.
Alternatively, something with Skill Swap can rob them of Inconsistent, regardless of evasion, and through Substitutes.
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Again, don't even get me started.
Mold Breaker doesn't stop Inconsistent, it only stops your opponents ability from working when you attack it won't negate the boosts. Also regardless of whether there are more ways to stop Stealth Rock, I can honestly say that I've never been swept by SR or seen people ragequit because I managed to get SR down, whereas a +2 evasion boost can, with some luck, signal game over for your opponent.
EDIT: Just to respond to everyone saying Clear Smog is a 100% counter to this, try and do this to Smeargle and He'll just Baton Pass to a Steel type, think your going to phaze it Baton Pass to Espeon, the only thing that is a guaranteed counter is haze and for every team needing to run haze to stop this is ridiculous.
EDIT: Just to respond to everyone saying Clear Smog is a 100% counter to this, try and do this to Smeargle and He'll just Baton Pass to a Steel type, think your going to phaze it Baton Pass to Espeon, the only thing that is a guaranteed counter is haze and for every team needing to run haze to stop this is ridiculous.
Magic Mirror, Mirror Coat, Taunt (with or without Mischievous Heart), or flat out killing the poke before it can drop hazards.
Inconsistent is powerful because the poke in question doesn't have to do to do anything to get said boosts, and it's harder to drop him if he can focus on subbing and protecting until you can't hit him.
Inconsistent is powerful because the poke in question doesn't have to do to do anything to get said boosts, and it's harder to drop him if he can focus on subbing and protecting until you can't hit him.
Mold breaker does not affect inconsistent pokemon in the slightest- it only affects immunity/resist abilities. Clear smog, perish song, and Haze have a very limited userpools, and are generally outclassed by roar/ww/yawn in all respects other than evasion.
Magic coat doesn't actually hit the target so it does affect dark types- it's mirror coat that doesn't affect dark types. There is also now magic mirror, and there has always been taunt (which got a boost with mischivious heart taunters).
Ninja'd several times.
And gengar also gets STAB tbolt- oh wait...
Robbing them of inconsistent via skill swap is too little, too late if they've gotten the right boosts. Plus they can switch out and back in. And don't say you're going to counter abuse, skill swap, protect, and sub only leaves you with one attack slot left, making you much easier to wall.
Magic coat doesn't actually hit the target so it does affect dark types- it's mirror coat that doesn't affect dark types. There is also now magic mirror, and there has always been taunt (which got a boost with mischivious heart taunters).
Ninja'd several times.
And gengar also gets STAB tbolt- oh wait...
Robbing them of inconsistent via skill swap is too little, too late if they've gotten the right boosts. Plus they can switch out and back in. And don't say you're going to counter abuse, skill swap, protect, and sub only leaves you with one attack slot left, making you much easier to wall.
But then there's stuff like Clear Smog that can be used every turn and re balances their stats through a Substitute.
And there's other methods, like a Mischievous Heart Worry Seed, which is useful anyway.
Actually, Erufuun (which is a good 'mon in his own right) can quite effectively shut down an Inconsistent abuser if he comes in at the right time, with Mischievous Heart Worry Seed and Taunt.
Though I would probably still use Clear Smog, since there's always a chance they could get an Evasion boost with that first Protect.
Alternatively, anything with good stats and Claw Sharpen. If they stall out with Protect and Substitute, just spam Claw Sharpen to raise your Accuracy and Attack.
Another alternative: Little By Little ignores their Defense and Evasion boosts, and it's stronger than Clear Smog.
Alternatively, anything with good stats and Claw Sharpen. If they stall out with Protect and Substitute, just spam Claw Sharpen to raise your Accuracy and Attack.
Another alternative: Little By Little ignores their Defense and Evasion boosts, and it's stronger than Clear Smog.
About worry seed:
how many times do i have to say it- robbing them of their boosts after 2-3 turns is too little, too late if they've gotten the right ones. And if it's not, they just switch out and in. Plus pretty much every single counter we're putting out (erufuun, mushroom) gets raped by glalie. or even by ice beam.
And in truth, encore is pretty much the only move erufuun brings to the table. I'd rather sub seed with jalorda or skymin because they also have offensive presence, and stalling is done better by sableye thanks to will-o-wisp, recover, and immunities.
About hone claws:
Then they get atk/sp atk boosts and ko you while you merely break their sub. Also hone claws is outclassed by swords dance for every other purpose, and makes the set-up poke nearly useless against other pokes, where they only get one turn set up, which quite simply put won't be enough with hone claws.
how many times do i have to say it- robbing them of their boosts after 2-3 turns is too little, too late if they've gotten the right ones. And if it's not, they just switch out and in. Plus pretty much every single counter we're putting out (erufuun, mushroom) gets raped by glalie. or even by ice beam.
And in truth, encore is pretty much the only move erufuun brings to the table. I'd rather sub seed with jalorda or skymin because they also have offensive presence, and stalling is done better by sableye thanks to will-o-wisp, recover, and immunities.
About hone claws:
Then they get atk/sp atk boosts and ko you while you merely break their sub. Also hone claws is outclassed by swords dance for every other purpose, and makes the set-up poke nearly useless against other pokes, where they only get one turn set up, which quite simply put won't be enough with hone claws.
OK, then use Sableye. Encore their Substitue, Willowisp them. Whatever.
And I keep saying Clear Smog because it robs them of all the boosts that they have recieved, through Substitutes, and can be used each turn if you want.
By the way, thanks for mentioning Wheezing. I forgot we had a Clear Smog user that can get Flamethrower and Thunderbolt.
And I keep saying Clear Smog because it robs them of all the boosts that they have recieved, through Substitutes, and can be used each turn if you want.
By the way, thanks for mentioning Wheezing. I forgot we had a Clear Smog user that can get Flamethrower and Thunderbolt.
Sub blocks WOW, but Mischievous Heart WOW is faster than Sub. If he's there for the first sub, then there you go.
But then again, I'd rather not rely on a move as inaccurate as WOW. I'd rather just use Clear Smog/Little By Little/Sacred Sword/Claw Sharpen/Haze/Foresight/Odor Sleuth/Miracle Eye/etc.
But then again, I'd rather not rely on a move as inaccurate as WOW. I'd rather just use Clear Smog/Little By Little/Sacred Sword/Claw Sharpen/Haze/Foresight/Odor Sleuth/Miracle Eye/etc.
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